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The Ninth Life - The New Irish Aviation Thread!  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12482 posts, RR: 34
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7614 times:

Wilkommen, Bienvenue, Welcome (and for the sake of completeness, Failte Romhaibh!). You've reached the new Irish Aviation Thread; if your surfing plans don't include Irish aviation, now would be a good time to catch a wave.

Well, here we are, into what should be a quiet month, but with Aer Lingus privatisation around the corner and a very frenetic political season coming up (leading to a general election in May/June), I think we have a lot of excitement ahead of us.

Interesting news today from Aer Lingus, with baggage charges being introduced, but also online check in (good!) and seat selection (even better!). I actually think it's quite a good move; the baggage limit is quite generous (unlike FR, which rather sneakily reduced its limit). Expect more interesting announcements this month, as EI attempts to drum up investor support for privatisation ...

And expect some announcements from the govt; the main announcement should be about new US access; with such intense competition on short haul, investors will be particularly anxious to see signs of growth potential on long haul; having a deal in place, which allows EI the ability to grow on long haul routes (particularly the US) would be very welcome.

Of course, it's not all EI; we should now how the new Dublin Terminal 2 will look - and how long it's likely to last before the new one is needed (I was going to write "built" instead of "needed" - two totally different things!), but if lessons have been learned, we will see in the months ahead. Planning for the new terminal complex needs to start as soon as possible - and that includes Metro access.

Of course, the news we're all waiting for later this year is EI's fleet decision, but we'll probably be at thread 15-20 before that happens! Let's focus on the "Now"!

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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6339 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7528 times:

I have been looking at some photos of the new terminal at Cork and I see why many people were not to impressed seeing as it was a terminal that was very late and over budget. It still looks great I hope everything goes well!
There are some great photos of the terminal at cork-spotters, http://www.cork-spotters.com/photo/index.php
Does anyone know why the "fleet" section on aerlingus.com is down? When you click on "fleet" the "redirect" page comes up. I thought it was something to do with updating the aircraft numbers but it's been ages.


User currently offlineProvance From Ireland, joined May 2006, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7467 times:

American Airlines to begin Chicago service from Shannon

American Airlines has announced flights from Shannon to Chicago.

They will start operating the services from October 29th, using a Boeing 767 aircraft.

This route will replace the existing Shannon to Boston services.

AA says it will allow passengers from the Irish west coast to link up with its international hub in Chicago.



EI, FR, BD, RE, UA, XL, US,
User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7465 times:

As far as i know this will be ORD-DUB-SNN-ORD,

Will this just be for the winter i wonder?



John Hancock
User currently offlineProvance From Ireland, joined May 2006, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7460 times:

I think its just American Airlines way of saying that they are dropping the BOS routes

Smokeyrosco, you are correct, it will operate as follows


Departs: Arrives:
Chicago 7:15 p.m. Dublin 8:35 a.m. (next day)
Dublin 10:05 a.m. Shannon 10:50 a.m.
Shannon 12:50 p.m. Chicago 3:05 p.m.



EI, FR, BD, RE, UA, XL, US,
User currently offlineRyanairCRL From France, joined Dec 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7449 times:

why do most (all ??) of the airlines do a stop by SNN. DL, CO, AA, EI. if i'm not mistaking, most of them do the short haul between DUB-SNN everytime.

What's the reason for that ? is there such a demand in West Ireland fo US-bound flights ?



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User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7448 times:

I've been thinking about Cityjet getting the new aircraft, since they are replacing their aircraft (I know a some are leased), what are the chances of them selling them and if they can sell them how much would they get for them?


John Hancock
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12482 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7432 times:

Selling second (or third or fourth-) hand 146-200s? I think we'd be talking scrap value here. I wouldn't be too optimistic!

As for US carriers serving Shannon, they are obliged to split services 50/50 between SNN and DUB. The reason for this decision, I would think, is that while SNN-BOS does fine in Summer, I'd say it's dead in Winter, BUT in order to keep DUB-ORD going, they need to pay for it by routing it through SNN. I'd say they're none too happy about it, but hopefully this is the last year they'll have to do it. With any luck EU/US Open Skies will be in place by then, OR the govt will be able to get a special dispensation to operate on the basis of the mini-deal negotiated last year.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12482 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 7382 times:

Oh, the poor old DAA. Things just don't work for them, do they? Quite apart from not being able to design a new terminal - or at least one designed to cater for capacity 5-10 years down the road, the DAA has now shown itself incapable of designing a tent. Yes, a tent. The local planning authority, Fingal County Council, has rejected the DAA's proposals for a tent structure on the roof of the car park, asking the DAA for move info, due to what it feared would be an adverse visual impact. The DAA has therefore scrapped these plans for this year and will have them in place for next year ... hopefully.

User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7362 times:

I think MOL was right and they should just put it up anyway.


John Hancock
User currently offlineABC9 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 203 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7351 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 8):
Oh, the poor old DAA. Things just don't work for them, do they? Quite apart from not being able to design a new terminal - or at least one designed to cater for capacity 5-10 years down the road, the DAA has now shown itself incapable of designing a tent. Yes, a tent. The local planning authority, Fingal County Council, has rejected the DAA's proposals for a tent structure on the roof of the car park, asking the DAA for move info, due to what it feared would be an adverse visual impact. The DAA has therefore scrapped these plans for this year and will have them in place for next year ... hopefully.

Let's not be too hasty to lay all the blame at the feet of the DAA - the planning authorities in Ireland are nortoriously fickle - even if you're fortunate enough to get past the local council, there's still Bord Pleanala and the likes of An Taisce to worry about. I'm surprised that this has'nt gone through mind, normally infrastructural developments or schemes deemed to be "in the common good" get through the first stage. It's only after this that the green types start jumping all over them.

Personally I thought a tent was most appropriate for the circus that is Dublin Airport !


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7351 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 8):
Oh, the poor old DAA. Things just don't work for them, do they? Quite apart from not being able to design a new terminal - or at least one designed to cater for capacity 5-10 years down the road, the DAA has now shown itself incapable of designing a tent. Yes, a tent. The local planning authority, Fingal County Council, has rejected the DAA's proposals for a tent structure on the roof of the car park, asking the DAA for move info, due to what it feared would be an adverse visual impact. The DAA has therefore scrapped these plans for this year and will have them in place for next year ... hopefully.

In fairness, its unfair to blame the DAA here. They are not in business of designing either tents ot terminals. Like any company - public or private - they employ professionals to do this. It is actually perfectly normal that the planning authority issue a request for more info for a project such as this. A request for more info does not imply that the authority has rejected the proposal.


User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7341 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):
In fairness, its unfair to blame the DAA here. They are not in business of designing either tents ot terminals. Like any company - public or private - they employ professionals to do this.

True, but I think the blame has to be laid at their door for the initial mistake which was that the DAA thought they could erect the tent without any planning permission at all. They then delightfully told the press about their plans, which is when the CC stepped in and said..ehh no!

On a slightly more positive note, today's Irish Times is reporting that Pembroke (which rose from the GPA ashes) has been bought out by it's Mgt from shareholders RR and GATX.
While it isn't the largest leasing company out there (20 aircraft on the books) it is looking at further orders, and manages a portfolio of over 100 aircraft for banks that foreclosed on them after 9/11 and the aviation downturn.



Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR
User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7288 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):
In fairness, its unfair to blame the DAA here. They are not in business of designing either tents ot terminals.

Yep they are in the business of running airports and they are not going a great job there either.



John Hancock
User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6339 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 7214 times:

Aer Lingus announces partnership with Ryder Cup European team.
http://www.flyaerlingus.com/cgi-bin/...8049&Category=0&NEWS_OID=536885695
Good for them!


User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 781 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 7211 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
And expect some announcements from the govt; the main announcement should be about new US access; with such intense competition on short haul, investors will be particularly anxious to see signs of growth potential on long haul; having a deal in place, which allows EI the ability to grow on long haul routes (particularly the US) would be very welcome

Care to shed a little light on this one Kaitak? I personlly think we could see CO flying from IAH and AA from either MIA or DFW (whichever one EI choses not to launch). After that (and NW which Im assuming is a done deal) it only really leaves UA (from IAD??)



Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6339 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 7205 times:

Aer Lingus is the 5th most punctual airline in the UK for the first three months of this year, hopefully they remained at that high position during the rest of the year.
http://www.flightontime.info/scheduled/scheduled.html


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12482 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 7180 times:

Hi EIRules, the current problem is that although the govt has concluded a mini- bilateral, this was subject to the EU/US deal becoming a reality; this is not impossible, but is seen as very unlikely, due to US legislators' obstacles - largely due to the mid-term elections. If this doesn't happen, the Irish-US deal would be delayed too, BUT the minister has said that he is trying to negotiate an exception, whereby the Irish deal (or something similar) can go ahead. What the EU will think of this is another think and the info I have is that they're begin obstructive.

There is a provision whereby a country can negotiate with another country, with which the EU is conducting negotiations, as long as the deal reached doesn't put any other EU state at a competitive disadvantage; now, since our deal will still tie DUB capacity to SNN's, it can't be said to put any other country at a disadvantage. However, will the EU see it this way? I hope so.

The govt knows, of course, that privatisation of EI is imminent and they surely understand that to get a better price for EI, and to improve the success of the privatisation, having in place some deal on privatisation will be essential. Otherwise, institutional investors may not be interested. Remember, the govt is trying to dissuade small shareholders, with a min. investment of EUR10k, so that will exclude the grannies (and others) investing for sentimental reasons; those who spend that amount of money will want and expect a good investment and return, and thus they will want to see that EI can build its long haul market without silly restrictions. If they don't get it ...


User currently offlineShamrock330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 7175 times:

The fleet page on aerlingus.com is back up and with absolutely no changes.

A bit surprising, considering that there are two A330's on the way, and I was hoping to see some indication of future fleet orders.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12482 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 7160 times:

You won't see any info on future fleet orders; this is still under active and intense consideration and you won't see anything before the privatisation anyway.

The one thing I'm still not 100% clear on, by the way, is: how many A320s are coming next year? As far as I can see it's three; is this correct?

Also, good(-ish) news for EI today, possibly even better news for SIPTU - the airline has accepted the Labour court's recommendations and the new pay deal negotiated by SIPTU. The airline's employees will do very well out of the privatisation; I would if the same will be said for investors?

If anything, this deal will only increase pressure on the govt to ensure that the new Irish/US bilateral is in place before the privatisation takes place, so that Aer Lingus can be seen to have clearly agreed new access to the US.


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6339 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 7141 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 19):
it's three; is this correct?

I thought it was two for next June where did you hear about a third 320?


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12482 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7089 times:

That's what I'm trying to clarify! Anyone else know what the position is?

I got a letter today from the EU Commission, in response to one I sent them a few weeks back, in relation to our US access. It's quite legalistic, but let me paraphrase it:

- Agreement reached in 11/05 subject to outcome of ongoing US rulemaking process, to invest in US carriers.

- EU expects this by end of Summer.

- Transport Council will meet on 12th October 2006. This is D Day. If, as hoped, the US comes up with something that's acceptable to the EU Transport Council then, we're at "all systems go". If not ...

- (As we know), at the request of our government, a special transitional agreement was agreed which, subject to the 12/10/06 meeting (or 10/12/06, for our American friends!), will take effect for "three traffic seasons", commencing on the 29th October.

- (Goes on to set out legal basis for any direct negotiations between Ireland and the US, under Reg 847/04. The EU will judge any agreement between a member state on the basis of whether it's compatible with EU Law and whether it would undermine EU negotiations. However, the EU is working to ensure that the outcome of negotiations with the US would be acceptable to the Transport Council and consequently, the need for negotiations should not arise.

So, the 12th October is THE BIG DAY. This, of course, is after EI's privatisation, so there'll be a few nervous days for investors. Let's hope things go right and that the Americans will come up with something acceptable. I'm pinning some hope, rightly or wrongly, on the fact that EU ownership/control of US carriers is only sought by one or two countries (the UK and possibly Germany), so hopefully the other 23-24, like ourselves, will vote for a deal and that the UK couldn't torpedo it, even if it wanted to.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12482 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7086 times:

Of course, one final point: even if the deal goes ahead on the 12th, it's really too late for the 2006 Winter season, so we'll still be doing DUB-SNN-BOS for the Winter. I wonder if US airlines can change their operating plans; I assume they'll wait for Summer.

The other possibility is that with US mid-term elections just a month away, there is a chance of furious objections from the US Congress, which may include legal action to nullify the DOT's plans and consequently, to undermine the agreement. Let's hope common sense prevails, however.


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6339 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7074 times:

According to Jethros fleet listing, Aer Lingus have 2 A320 aircraft on order for next June. The page was last updated on the 28th of June.
http://www.jethros.i12.com/fleets/fleet_listings/aer_lingus.htm


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7056 times:

If memory servers me right on EI, they where suppose to receive 2 aircraft this year, they are however only getting (got) one, EI-DET. now, I believe EI purchased 2 320's for next year and they where to lease one as EI so often does on roughly a 2:1 basis, but all signals at the moment seem to point to EI only getting 2 320's. so i'm a bit lost too and i don't know whats going on. Jethro is usually fairly accurate though (although i do think he has 2 320's for delivery this year up at one stage).

Below on 16th of Dec shows 2 additional aircraft for Delivery in 06

http://www.jethros.i12.com/previous/previous_monthly_updates/05dec.htm



John Hancock
25 Post contains links EI787 : A memorial park has been opened to remember those lost in the 1968 crash of the Aer Lingus Viscount. http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0805/tuskar.html?rss
26 Post contains links Kaitak : Interesting little snippet in today's Sunday Indo; this weekend is apparently the busiest ever, which is probably not a surprise, although what is mos
27 EIRules : I am amazed with all of the talk of EI launching flights to HKG or BKK or SIN I just cannot understand why they are not looking at China. WIth all of
28 Kaitak : It's not impossible, but I personally think that the best option for EI in Asia is HKG. With Cathay now having taken over Dragonair, they have such a
29 EIRules : I completely agree about AY, I think they have done an excellent job with what are relatively limited resources (here I mean population and not a huge
30 EI787 : I remember in a previous Irish Aviation Thread that there were rumours that some airlines were refusing to use the new airbridge at Cork due to such h
31 Shamrock350 : I have heard of no problems let but it's still only handling arrivals, maybe after the 14th we might start hearing of a few small problems. I dont th
32 Planemanofnz : For obvious reasons such as no spare planes, leaving oneworld e.t.c, wouldn't it be better to think of an asian carrier coming to DUB? I think that th
33 Post contains images Shamrock350 : After the part sell off that might not be a problem. US routes are Aer Lingus' priority for 2007 and beyond so expansion into Asia can wait until 200
34 EI321 : EI had been looking to lease an additional one or two A320s (like the two all white A320s from swiss in 2004) for the summer season aswell but this h
35 Shamrock350 : Unfortunately there is no photography at any times in the departure area of the Cork Terminal. I think it's fine for the rest of the terminal well I h
36 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Cork Airport has one air bridge and when pier extensions are added it has the capability to have a total of 19 air bridges, all extensions are expecte
37 Kaitak : Shamrock 350, when you say there's no photography in the terminal, do you mean there's no photography, or have they gone EL AL? Interesting prospect c
38 Shamrock350 : Kaitak, my sister told me that once you are in the departures area no photos are permitted to be taken by anyone. I rarely see her so I asked her as m
39 Kaitak : Sheesh, that's a bit severe; they don't have that in DUB or SNN (or maybe they do and no one takes a blind bit of notice). I wonder who was the Braini
40 RyanairCRL : I've never seen anything like it, at least in SNN. and airport police has never said anything when I stand on the apron taking pictures
41 Post contains images Shamrock350 : The terminal isn't that good for taking photos anyway, lots of restrictions design wise. The terminal didn't even have any security equipment for the
42 Provance : Crikes - 12 new FR routes from DUB Destination Starts Frequency Oslo (Norway) Dec Daily Madrid (Spain) Feb Daily Tampere (Finland) Dec Four Weekly Vit
43 Post contains images Provance : Apparently, ORK has an exclusive deal with OK magazine (rumoured to be woth €1.7M) for exclusive photographs of the opening of the new terminal
44 Danny : Are those really Madrid and Oslo or some airports 150km away?
45 Provance : No, the Madrid airport is actually MAD (which I think is the main airport in Madrid) Olso is infact Torp (not the central airport)
46 Provance : For the first month of travel on each of the new routes, there are 0.01c flight - That works out at €24.00 return inc Taxes etc to MAD - thats unbel
47 Post contains links Toulouse : I believe Madrid is effectively MAD (Madrid Barajas) the only international airport in Madrid, yet this surprises me. The first private airport in Sp
48 Toulouse : You can say that again! Poor EI, yet I for one will remain faithful to EI. Yet with just two direct services between MAD and DUB, I've always believe
49 BDKLEZ : It more than likely will be MAD (Barajas). The only other realsistic alternative would have been TOJ, but as far as I'm aware, it has an MTOW cap on
50 Toulouse : You're right, if you check the destinations link on ryanair.com it's listed as Madrid(MAD). TOJ (right beside MAD) is a military airport and I think
51 BDKLEZ : But it is permitted to have civil operations there up to MTOW of 50,000kgs. It can also be considered a technical/commercial alternate to MAD as long
52 Cornish : I too can see this happening. I had also heard that FR were negotiating with the airport regarding service. But then FR happily operate at other AENA
53 Aerarann : Great News for FR But It Will Only Put Further Strain On An Already Crippled Dublin Airport
54 Kaitak : Quite apart from the number of new routes, it's also interesting to see the press release issued by FR; it's clearly aimed right at EI and with the Ae
55 Post contains images Shamrock350 : If anyone can do it, it's Aer Lingus. Ryanair - "Move over Aer Lingus! Ryanair is now Ireland's national airline and Aer Lingus is just a distant num
56 Toulouse : Me too, and it's one of the reasons I refuse to fly FR. They stoop just too low in my opinion. I've never understood how they can be so blunt and ope
57 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Toulouse, if FR become the only airline left in Ireland I would rather walk all the way to Wales and board an Irish ferries or Stena Line craft and ge
58 Toulouse : I know the feeling, that makes two of us.
59 Danny : The sad true is: you may not chave a choice.
60 Toulouse : That's me greatest fear, but I'll find an alternative if EI were to ever dissappear off the scene, which I hope and believe they won't.
61 Kaitak : I really hope they don't either, but at the end of the day, being a "national airline" or "flag carrier" doesn't earn anything. EI needs to differenti
62 ABC9 : Excellent point Shamrock350 - I heard MOL on the radio at lunchtime on this very topic and the condescending tone and content of the press release wa
63 Shamrock350 : Why does FR continue to slag off Aer Lingus on their "sneaky" fuel surcharge when at the moment its only on l/h flights which ryanair doesn't even off
64 Post contains links AerArann : Two Points, Firstly, Has anyone seen the propaganda that the DAA are producing about the construction of Pier D, A few weeks ago, They had all the TV
65 EI321 : My sister tells me that her EI flight from JFK to DUB on monday was delayed for a number of hours due to an air conditioning fault. Not sure which fli
66 KaiGywer : Correct. FR flies to Sandefjord, which is about 1.5 hrs south of Oslo by car (and two toll roads)
67 Post contains links Shamrock350 : The UK security threat has closed LHR to incoming flights so all Aer Lingus flights to LHR and other UK airports have been cancelled until 3pm. http:/
68 Post contains links and images EI787 : Does anybody know why a MEA A332 was in Dublin on July 29th? Here is a photo of it on JetPhotos: http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5788476 I'm
69 AerArann : RE: The MEA a330, It was doing a charter for Eurocypria One of there 738's got hit by a baggage truck in Larnaca airport, Thus delaying the flight by
70 Post contains links and images EI787 : Here's a pic of EI-DOZ, Eirjet's latest aircraft: View Large View Medium Photo © Paulo Carvalho Here's its history: 18/02/1992 - Canadian Airlines -
71 Smokeyrosco : Wow I've been away from A.net for a few days and it's all been quiet. well I have some not really aviation news but kinda is, I have recently moved on
72 Post contains links EI787 : Uh oh . . . more trouble for EI: More Problems For EI (by EIRules Aug 11 2006 in Civil Aviation) EI A330 @ PHL Today (8/11) (by USAFHummer Aug 12 2006
73 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : Those poor A330s are taking a beating how much longer can they go on ? I was just looking at my flight's seat map on aerlingus.com and it's not very
74 Greenjet : I don't think you can rely on this as an accurate reflection of the loads. Must people will probably have booked before the online seat allocation wa
75 EI787 : Just to tell you that you cannot bookmark to any pages on aerlingus.com as they work on sessions for security reasons!
76 Post contains links Kaitak : Interesting interview with MO'L in today's Sunday Business Post; he is really training his sights on Aer Lingus and no doubt planning to make life ver
77 Shamrock350 : Ah right I was slightly shocked when I saw how empty the flight was, only the first 4 rows were taken and two odd seats at the back. oops! sorry abou
78 Kaitak : Yes, but they're the new ones - it won't stop the existing fleet going tech now and again (and again; and again). The airline really needs to sit down
79 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : Possibly 3-3-3 seating in the A330? It can be done or is that going too far?Comfort levels wouldn't be great but "you get what you paid for" would be
80 EI321 : Look at the outermost seats on that MyTravel A330, they dont even have a full width headrest due to the curvature of the walls. Id hate to have to sit
81 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Me too! But if means Aer Lingus offer the lowest fares on long-haul routes I wouldn't mind it, I think I might just stick to classic economy on DUB-L
82 EI321 : I just dont think 3-3-3 is possible with the EI current A333 fleet. Most here shout for PTVs which is fair enough, but adding the extra weight of IFE
83 Shamrock350 : In terms of passenger service and comfort a new Premier class would be the first thing on my list, that and a good tidy up of the economy class!
84 Kaitak : I was wondering why EI ordered its new -300 as a -301, similar to the other four. Surely they will have this aircraft fitted with PTVs and if they ca
85 EI321 : They simply might not need the extra thrust of the -302/3. I would have thought it would be useful for Dubai, since the current A332 flight is general
86 Smokeyrosco : Ok so FR is going after EI on short hall, it's not unexpected, it was bound to happen sooner or later, now i'm curious if EI was to get enough 32x's c
87 ThrottleHold : Rumours of a new European base have been circulating internally for quite some time now.
88 Kaitak : They've been talking about that for a long time and frankly, I have to say I think it's a bad idea. They're going to open a new market where they can
89 EI321 : EI wont expand with a base in europe. As Kaitak says, outside of the UK and Ireland, EI are not a very strong brand. Every major aviation market in eu
90 Smokeyrosco : This is something I've always believed but I think EI may be coming to the market a little late if they don't hurry up with a new and extended T/A fl
91 Planemanofnz : Before EI look at a european hub, they should really consider adding some more DUB routes like Casablanca, Cairo, Moscow, Istanbul, Athens, Oslo e.t.c
92 Kaitak : I certainly think they will look at that possibility; even DUB-CAI could be a possibility with A320s; LCA, DME, ATH, IST, CMN and a few others could b
93 Shamrock350 : The old terminal at Cork is now gone! All flights are now operating from the new terminal. Ryanair wanted to use the old terminal a low cost terminal
94 Shamrocka330 : Is there any chance they could put it on the back of a truck and send it up to Dublin?! Seriously though, do you think that Dublin Airport will affec
95 Kaitak : The DXB flight arrives in at 5.30am; were all the gates taken then? That said, there's no doubt there's a huge problem. The fact that the new terminal
96 Smokeyrosco : I believe they are going to keep the C pier open as long as possible, IE they are going to build behind the existing pier the landside side of the ne
97 Bx737 : According to the Sunday Times business supplement on 13/8/06 Kerry born millionaire Robert Noonan plans to launch an airline in Gibraltar. The airline
98 EI321 : They could just wet lease it but its unlikely that anymore l/h planes will be coming to EI so late in the summer. Its just far too late. We wont see
99 Iain : Aerlingus Gold Circle; Has anybody any update on what will happen next Feb when EI leave Oneworld? Are they talking to BA or AA? As a Prestige member
100 EI321 : Regarding Goldcircle. Im a member also and have heard nothing. Frankly GoldCircle is a joke anyway. Possibly the most outdated FF programme out there.
101 Pilot21 : Toulouse Glad to see your still on the board, hadn't heard from you in a while. As somebody who is based down in Toulouse, can you fill me in on what
102 Shamrocka330 : Sorry I meant the flight from LAX - this happened around 10.30.
103 Post contains links and images EI787 : http://www.rte.ie/business/2006/0816/airlines.html?rss[Edited 2006-08-16 21:34:44]
104 Post contains images Btriple7 : Wow, it's been a while since I replied to one of these Irish Aviation threads. Great to back here on the boards. Anyway, my question to you guys is: W
105 Kaitak : Hello, BTriple7, Unfortunately, the answer to your question is in the thread above - the whole EU/US Open Skies thing is proving to a be a very frustr
106 Pilot21 : Kai Tak Looks like Oct 12th won't be D-Day after all. Aer Lingus optimistic despite open skies delay August 17, 2006 08:27 Aer Lingus has said that it
107 EI321 : So does this rule out more non-US routes for the time being. Have EI had abad experience with Dubai.....
108 Kaitak : It does seem to rule out non-US routes. Aer Lingus's start on DXB has not been auspicious, not least because it messed up the scheduling. Hopefully, t
109 Post contains images Btriple7 : Hello all! Just noticed that today is Kaitak's seventh anniversary of his A.net-hood. Congratulations Kaitak, give us seven more, and thanks for keepi
110 Dstc47 : Happy Seventh, KaiTak You have always been too optimistic on Open Skies / the Bilateral, however. Perhaps if Cork Airport did not have most of the bil
111 Post contains links EI787 : http://www.dublinairport.com/at-airp...est-news/area_14_construction.html
112 Toulouse : Hi there Pilot21. Sorry for taking so long to answer, actually over in Dublin at the moment for a few days. As far as I know those 2 airbridges you u
113 Pilot21 : Thanks Toulouse, just was curious because they seem to be sacrificing a lot right now, but an extra 8 air bridges is a pretty chunky increase. (Maybe
114 Toulouse : Yeah, one comes in every morning from the UK and another from Germany, stay there all day and return in the evening.
115 Kaitak : Wonder why the Privatiair 319s are coming to DUB? Airbus sending sales teams to Aer Lingus? Mind you, I doubt it, right now I would say the mood at EI
116 EI787 : I think he was talking about the A319's at TLS, not DUB!
117 Pilot21 : Correct EI787, apologises Kai Tak if I wasn't 100% clear. With 117 replies on the 9th thread, maybe time for the big 10 Irish thread?
118 Kaitak : Yes, I think so! I'll set it up now ... Roll on "A tenth blast of Irish aviation - the new thread".
119 Planemanofnz : I know! I thought that we would have heard something about the 787/350 by now, with some routes being announced for start by the beginning of next ye
120 Post contains links EI321 : A 10th Irish thread has started: A Tenth Blast Of Irish Aviation - The New Thread! (by Kaitak Aug 18 2006 in Civil Aviation)
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