Mason747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 44 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6827 times:
On another post I heard that Fedex was looking at aquiring about 150 757s. Is this enough to open up the 757 line up again? Any thoughts on this. If this cant open the 757 line up again, where will they get them?
HPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3871 posts, RR: 8 Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6814 times:
I don't think there are 150 757s available...200 and 300 combined. It is an extremely popular aircraft and when airlines and other owners have made them available, they have generally been snapped up quickly.
SLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 3952 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6713 times:
Quoting 777STL (Reply 3): No, and the tooling was most likely disposed of when the line was terminated. I'm afraid it's a bit more difficult than just flicking a switch.
I'm really interested to see where you heard this. This stinks of something created right here at a.net.
I'm wondering how easy 757s are to come by as well since DL jumped at the chance to grab the ex-TWA 752s with ETOPs as quickly as they did knowing now how shorthanded they were with that airframe. It all makes it very debatable if Boeing terminated the assembly line too quickly on this one. With DL as committed as they are to maintaining a large fleets of 752s for the foreseeable future, I think it would be quite doubtful that FedEx or UPS would be able to get many discards from passenger fleets. Granted there are a number of airports that can easily take a 752 but can't take a DC-10 or MD-11 that FedEx is loaded with, but I think if FedEx wants something of that size they ought to look at Airbus and the A-321 since that is still an open line. The A330 would have some of the same problems in smaller airports that FedEx has with their DC-10s and MD-11s. I'm not sure if they have an "F" version of that frame, but with the demand for 752s being what is rumored here, Airbus could easily up their A-321 production. Could Boeing resurrect the 752 and 753? Probably not.
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Starstream707 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 174 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6612 times:
737-900F now that's an idea. Basically a 707-120F with more efficient engines (same floor space size I mean). It seems like there was 1 or 2 707-120F's somewhere but not many at all. That would be cool to a see -900F. With as many orders for the -800 series and -900ER that there I'm surprized someone hasn't requested an -800F or -900F from Boeing.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6448 times:
Interestingly, Boeing offered Fedex a good deal on the 757s when sales for the type began to wind down.....Fedex did not take up the offer and Boeing closed the 757 line. (Remember that Fedex took the last 15 72S aircraft years ago in a similiar type deal.) There is no way that Boeing can re-start 757 production....its over, finished and done.
Its unlikely that Fedex would be interested in new build airplanes to replace their 721 and 72S fleets.....it would be second hand airplanes. Fedex has rather low fleet utilization for its shorter haul airplanes to make its network operate, and sometimes airplanes only do one roundtrip per day from a station into a hub and return, not the type of thing that requires a factory fresh airplane for packages and cargo.
With demand for the 757 high and most airlines not planning to retire their 757s in the near-term future, Fedex is going to have a difficult finding airplanes, regardless of whether they are powered by RR or PW engines.
MauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 27 Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6399 times:
i don't see any futher for the 757F in FedEx fleet, I think its more reasonable to think that Fedex will go for the A320/A321/767-200, since Airbus launched a convertion programm didn't they? And the 767-200 will fit the job as well, combined with a smaller aircraft.
I actually think we might see huge changes in the FedEx fleet in the upcomming 5-7 years. The DC-10/MD-10's seem like getting more and more technical problems each day, and with the rising fuell price its really becomming an expesive plane, i think we might see a 767/777/A330 order in the near future.
CX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4434 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6048 times:
The only rumors that I have heard floating around is that FEDEX may be a potential A330-200F customer. There is always a possibility of FEDEX getting 757s but where are they going to get 150 of them? They would have to snap up all of United's and then find another airline for 40-60+ more aircraft.
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Dvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6037 times:
Isn't it likely that the oldest 757's will begin retiring from commercial fleets in the next couple of years, allowing for conversions to cargo configuration? While the 757 had a slow start with orders initially, there are still a significant number of 752's that are 20+ years old.
I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information.
The A330 is in a different size category, more a DC-10 replacement. The competitor for a 757F is an A320/A321P2F solution (P2F: pax to freighter)
Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 7): I think if FedEx wants something of that size they ought to look at Airbus and the A-321 since that is still an open line
The line is open but the A321P2F would not come from Toulouse or Hamburg. The A320-A321P2F solution is a conversion solution, ie converting already manufactured pax aircraft into freighters. Similar to what EFW does in Dresden with A300 and A310.
Quoting MauriceB (Reply 12): since Airbus launched a convertion programm didn't they?
There is an agreement (announced in June 2006) between EFW, Airbus and Irkut for engineering and conversion work. The agreement still has to be formally finalized.
Memphis From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 143 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5789 times:
I don't like the idea of replacing an aircraft such as the 727, yet it will happen, someday. I have heard that FedEx has been trying to replace the A/C for years, yet for one reason or another, have not been able to follow through. They are an incredible A/C, a true workhorse, easy and quick to load/un-load, and they are paid for. The only draw-backs I see are: age, the 3 man cock-pit, and fuel burn. INHO, if availability was not an issue, I think that the 757 would indeed be the best replacement for the 727. The width of the cabin is close to that of the 727, just longer, and taller. Another issue facing FedEx with the 757 is gate space, a 757 roughly takes up 1.5 gates to every 2 for a 727.