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All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s  
User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 13
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13641 times:

The following photo has a reference to all-male flights on United Airlines between Chicago and New York in the 60s.


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What was the logic behind offering a flight to male passengers only? It would seem to me this would be an unpopular idea in the US of the 60s.

What routes were these flights offered and did any other airline offer them?

I've searched the database and could not find a thread on the matter.

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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13634 times:

Quoting Incitatus (Thread starter):
What was the logic behind offering a flight to male passengers only? It would seem to me this would be an unpopular idea in the US of the 60s.

I would imagine that in the 1960's, the airlines were still very much the domain of the American establishment. Not until after deregulation was air travel in the United States "democratized."

I remember reading somewhere about UAL "gentlemen only" flights and actually mentioned them on a thread here awhile back, only to be told I was making it up.



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User currently offlineAvianca707359B From Colombia, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13612 times:

Straight from the source:

http://www.united.com/page/article/0,,3302,00.html

Excerpt:

"Business as usual--1950s style:
United in 1953 introduced "Executive" all-male passenger flights. The men enjoyed free gifts such as cigars, which the stewardesses often lit for them. A reporter for Playboy magazine wrote, ". . .the only girls aboard are a couple of unobtrusive stewardesses. . ."
The popular Executive flights flew 10,500 segments, with a load factor of 80 to 90 percent, from 1953 until they were discontinued in 1970.
Complimentary alcohol, measured in cruets, was added to first class flights in 1956, and passengers were restricted to a two-drink limit. Stewardesses monitored the drink ration."

I could only imagine what would happen if they tried this today!



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User currently offlineORDTerminal1 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13590 times:

At one point, United distributed vouchers for these men's wives to accompany them on trips. They read something like "A special invitation for wives whose huspands like to fly"


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User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13590 times:

A UA FA told me that Hawaii flights were at one point exclusively staffed by males. He even said on the old DC-10s they used to sling up hammocks down in the lower galley, to relax in when off duty.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13499 times:

The infamous business men special flights......steak dinners, cocktails, shaply F/As in their provactive uniforms, cigars.....all to make horny business men happy. The atmosphere sounds like an exclusive gentelmens club or a gay bar, depending upon how you look at it.

Have times changed.....NOW, your seat with 31 inches of pitch is uncomfortable, every seat on the airplane is occupado, there is no smoking, you pay for drinks, you eat your Subway sandwich that you bought on the way to the airport, and the F/A is a wonderful man or women who will show you pics of the eight grandchildren. Progress?


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13434 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
The infamous business men special flights......steak dinners, cocktails, shaply F/As in their provactive uniforms, cigars.....

But all of this was present in other flights that catered to both men and women. Actually women have been depicted as passengers in most airline advertisement since the 1930s. The reasoning behind excluding women passengers is really puzzling - unless more than what is published was happening in these flights..... covereyes   eyepopping 


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13415 times:

Ok, let the grayhair tell you about the Executive flight.
First MDW to LGA then after the jets arrived, ORD to EWR with a Caravelle.
The perks for an addition 3 or was it 5 bucks(i have UA scheds so I will look
up the exact premium tonight)you have a Men only flight, no women or kids or teens or infants. You got slippers, a great hot meal earmarked for First(the caravelle was all 64 seats F anyway) playboy mag was available along with sport mags, wall street journal, which was unheard of on planes and great service expected of First class of the 60's.
The flights left EWR and ORD apx 5pm.
safe



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User currently offlineDAirbus From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13243 times:
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Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
Have times changed.....NOW, your seat with 31 inches of pitch is uncomfortable, every seat on the airplane is occupado, there is no smoking, you pay for drinks, you eat your Subway sandwich that you bought on the way to the airport, and the F/A is a wonderful man or women who will show you pics of the eight grandchildren. Progress?

True, very true.... frown 



Although I want to make clear that I am not critizicing the changes in commercial air travel over the last 40 years or have a desire to turn back the clock to the "good old days". I am just saying that it is a very pointed and accurate observation by Dutchjet.



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13185 times:

Well I must say I n never stop learning new things about our industry.

I've been flying for 25 year and never heard of all-male flights.

Man alive, imagine trying to do something like that today.

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User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3738 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13057 times:

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 4):
He even said on the old DC-10s they used to sling up hammocks down in the lower galley, to relax in when off duty.

DC-10s have lower galleys?

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User currently offlineDAirbus From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12971 times:
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Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 11):
DC-10s have lower galleys?

Yes. I believe it was a customer option. I remember flying on a SPANTAX DC-10 JFK-MAD back in 1983/1985 and distinctly remember the elevators and cart lifts to the lower galley.



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User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12879 times:

Ah now this flights sound fantastic! Good food good reading material and nice curvey f/a's!

User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12862 times:

Quoting ORDTerminal1 (Reply 3):
At one point, United distributed vouchers for these men's wives to accompany them on trips. They read something like "A special invitation for wives whose huspands like to fly"

But was it really the wives who flew with them?  mischievous 


User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3738 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12643 times:

Quoting DAirbus (Reply 12):
Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 11):
DC-10s have lower galleys?

Yes. I believe it was a customer option. I remember flying on a SPANTAX DC-10 JFK-MAD back in 1983/1985 and distinctly remember the elevators and cart lifts to the lower galley.

Interesting. I never knew that.

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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2893 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12580 times:

From what I can recall from old timetables and OAG's, these men-only flights were only in the CHI-NYC and LAX-SFO markets, and just one or two each way departing in the neighborhood of 4pm - 6pm. With both of these being high frequency (even back then) there was a conventinoal flight within about an hour or so.

Still, quite a trip (in more than one way) if you think about it today...


User currently offlinePresRDC From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 12510 times:

Quoting DAirbus (Reply 12):



Quoting DAirbus (Reply 12):
Yes. I believe it was a customer option. I remember flying on a SPANTAX DC-10 JFK-MAD back in 1983/1985 and distinctly remember the elevators and cart lifts to the lower galley.

The L-1011 has/had them as well.

I remember that on AA's DC-10s, the food trucks would load directly into the cargo area, not the main cabin floor.


User currently offlineAA2MM From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 12489 times:

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 4):

I used to work for Western...And on a HNL flight, a male FA I used to chat with at the airport took me downstairs to show me the galley...And on the way up, leaving the escalator, the senior FA saw me and gave me the dirtiest look. As an airplane nut, I could not pass up the offer.
Basically, both sides of the fusalage were lined with bins on top, a counter, and below are spaces for all the carts.
It must have been nice to work the galley down there, plenty of space to move around and set the carts up.


User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 948 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12457 times:

Quoting DAirbus (Reply 11):
Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 11):
DC-10s have lower galleys?

Yes. I believe it was a customer option. I remember flying on a SPANTAX DC-10 JFK-MAD back in 1983/1985 and distinctly remember the elevators and cart lifts to the lower galley.

So did Western Airlines, according to Commando: Arnold "The Guv" Schwarzenneger escapes the 11hour flight to latin america via an elevator and into the wheel well.


User currently offlineTheLUREnyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12434 times:

Hmm .. all-male flights. Sounds kinda hot!

Great concept for an airline .. ..!


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12377 times:

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 19):
Hmm .. all-male flights. Sounds kinda hot!

Great concept for an airline .. ..!

Lure....

I was waiting for you to make a comment concerning this thread, what took you so long? I am disappointed.

As for an all male airline......I cant wait to hear your suggestion for the the airline's name.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
The atmosphere sounds like an exclusive gentelmens club or a gay bar, depending upon how you look at it.


User currently offlineNomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12377 times:

Quoting Incitatus (Thread starter):
What was the logic behind offering a flight to male passengers only? It would seem to me this would be an unpopular idea in the US of the 60s.

What routes were these flights offered and did any other airline offer them?

I've searched the database and could not find a thread on the matter.

Although they were not marketed only to men, in the early 1960's Mohawk Airlines offered what they called 'Gaslight' flights. DC-3s were painted in a turn-of-the century 'Gay 90's' livery. The 'hostess' was dressed in a Klondike Gold Rush saloon girl outfit. On-board service included beer in big glass mugs, pretzles, cigars, etc. Everything short of sawdust on the floor!

These flights would certainly appeal to male passengers. At the time Mohawk was using DC-3s against more modern equipment flown by American and Eastern, their major competitors in the upstate New York-Northeastern US area.

nomadic :?)


User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12339 times:

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 10):
DC-10s have lower galleys?

When I was a kid flying non-rev with my folks in the 1970s, a flight attendant once took my sister and I down the elevator to the lower galley. It was quite a treat.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12339 times:

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 19):
Hmm .. all-male flights



Quoting Nomadic (Reply 21):
'Gay 90's' livery.

Oh dear... what will they think of next?

Quoting AA2MM (Reply 17):
And on a HNL flight, a male FA I used to chat with at the airport took me downstairs to show me the galley

Sounds interesting, please tell us more......
 Wink


User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12336 times:

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 19):
Hmm .. all-male flights. Sounds kinda hot!

Great concept for an airline .. ..!

LOL - oh the visual - the trouble the boys would get into!


25 LongHauler : And all because passengers choose flights by price and no other reason.
26 SFO2SVO : The [urban legend] has it that UA sent surveys to those who redeemed the vouchers asking for opinion on the flight. The most common answer - "what fl
27 Lhrmaccoll : Wow I have never ever heard of this! Imagine trying to put a request for a service like this these days..........
28 M404 : In the early 60s I remember seeing a photo...... Modern Airways(lines?) was introducing a male passenger service for intra-Germany routes with Steward
29 Post contains images LoneStarMike : Here's a couple of the print ads from the 1950's for United's "Men Only" flights.LoneStarMike
30 Milesrich : The Executive Flights originally operated with DC-6B's, between LGA and CHI (MDW), and LAX and SFO. All departures were at 5:00pm daily except Saturda
31 Post contains images 3201 : Thanks for that info Milesrich, and Incitatus for starting the thread, this is a pretty interesting historical detail that probably very few of us eve
32 SeeTheWorld : That's great stuff. Thanks for the background. My dad was a UA pilot beginning in 1967, and I remember the macadamian nuts in the foil bag on my trip
33 Falstaff : An all male flight. Lots of Farts, drinking, and dirty jokes! what fun. A provocative FA too, even more fun!
34 Post contains images AA777223ER : This is quite correct, all the galley provisions were pre-loaded into containers at the catering kitchen, then loaded onto the aircraft. The containe
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