MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31155 posts, RR: 76 Posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8923 times:
Citing increasing losses on the summer route, American Airlines will end service between Chicago O'Hare and Glasgow after this summer season. The route has operated summer-only since 1990. No PR yet, but has been sent out to employees.
BigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2762 posts, RR: 7 Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8854 times:
Well I guess they'll use that 767 to help replace the 757 leaving the fleet? It's unfortunate but if it isn't making money, then it goes.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8790 times:
Shame, seems as if AA is cutting back on services to "smaller" European cities while other US carriers are rushing to add service.....rather ironic, isnt it? More and more, AA's European operations are focused on London and, to a lesser extent, Paris.
Any update on the status of BOS-CDG and BOS-MAN....will AA keep flying the routes or will they too be terminated?
AV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1266 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8693 times:
What a shame, maybe DL could now make a jump to GLA from ATL, or even a 752ER route when they get them from JFK. I flew on the BA L-1011 JFK-GLA flight years ago and it was full, although it went to a 763ER then the 752 and finally died. Maybe DL could fill the gap? I'll hope for ATL-GLA service though!!!
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10224 posts, RR: 62 Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8642 times:
Sad ... first Birmingham, now Glasgow ... but business is business.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31155 posts, RR: 76 Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8398 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2): Any update on the status of BOS-CDG and BOS-MAN....will AA keep flying the routes or will they too be terminated?
Terminated from what I have been told, but there is still no official word.
The 763s from BOS-CDG and ORD-GLA will be much welcomed to help expand South America services. AA is planning on adding a fourth MIA-GRU and third MIA-EZE if they can get through the government hurdles, which will be difficult.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3819 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8202 times:
I've always wondered why carriers beat themselves senseless on BOS-Europe flights and no one ever tries Boston-South America. Couldn't AA use that 767-300 from Paris and instead fly it to somewhere in S. America and do marvelously with it?
It puzzles me why 'international' with respect to Boston only means 'Europe.'
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31155 posts, RR: 76 Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8202 times:
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 9): I've always wondered why carriers beat themselves senseless on BOS-Europe flights and no one ever tries Boston-South America. Couldn't AA use that 767-300 from Paris and instead fly it to somewhere in S. America and do marvelously with it?
There is not a large market in Boston-South America outside of Brazil, which is low-yielding VFR. AA wouldn't waste their resources on BOS-South America. That is a worse use of aircraft than Boston-Europe. At least Boston-Europe only needs one plane.
FLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8081 times:
GLA is a very tough market to crack because of low yielding VFR traffic. AA joins NW & AA who have been in/out, year round & seasonal trying to make the service viable. The loads are there, the profits are not. AC pulled it's flights this year after approximately 50 years of operations to Scotland.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8023 times:
It also seems that the BOS-SNN 757 route is being dropped by AA......now a 763 will operate ORD-DUB-SNN-ORD. There was a press release earlier in the day that I spotted on Yahoo.
Is this the end of AA using the 757 on select routes across the Atlantic, at least for the time being?
BigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2762 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7994 times:
Still, AA is losing some of their 757's next year. Unless they plan to go back on schedule with 738 deliveries or pull some MD's out of storage, they will need to reallocate their resources. I would like to think the GLA 767 and SNN 757 are destined for new service, but I have a feeling they are simply going to exsisting flights that are losing a TWA 757.
Boeing777311 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 126 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7638 times:
This is quite a shame. I flew this route in July and I was shocked as the flight was oversold out of ORD and was nearly full on the return from GLA. The load factor suprised me and the price we paid for the tickets was not cheap. One must think there must be passengers using miles to golf on Scotland's legendary courses, evident from the numerous golf bags unloaded at the baggage claim in Glasgow. From visiting the airport aside from 757s from Continental and US Airways, the North American bound airlines were dominated by Charters from Europe and North America.
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8556 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7638 times:
I hope we get a 767 in MCO. AA could use that to fill a morining flt to DFW or ORD. Or MCO-MIA- south american destination.
COERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1420 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7442 times:
Quoting LH121GLA (Reply 13): Hopefully we'll see a return from NW if the rumours on other posts are true - swiftly followed by DL hopefully.....................
Not if a F/A strike shuts the red tail down(unlikely, unless it was an all out strike).
BTW, NW F/A's will initiate CHAOS on august 15th.
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4416 posts, RR: 75 Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7198 times:
There have been consistent rumblings about AA's adding service to Brussels, either from MIA or from DFW, as well as about AA's routing a future Mumbai service through Brussels. AA seems to be doing quite well at BRU, taking advantage of SN's European network for connections. Any chance additional BRU will actually materialize?
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31155 posts, RR: 76 Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7170 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 18): There have been consistent rumblings about AA's adding service to Brussels, either from MIA or from DFW, as well as about AA's routing a future Mumbai service through Brussels. AA seems to be doing quite well at BRU, taking advantage of SN's European network for connections. Any chance additional BRU will actually materialize?
In the PR for the ORD-GLA discontinuation, they mentioned that "the route has become increasingly unprofitable in comparison with other international route opportunities. "
This implies they are looking at somewhere else to put the plane, so we might know something this fall.
Misbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7055 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19): This implies they are looking at somewhere else to put the plane, so we might know something this fall.
What are the chances they will actually add a new destination in Europe, other than the measly 10 or so they currently fly to?
B707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7044 times:
Didn't realize they dropped BHX already. Interesting. I'd be surprised if they drop BOS-MAN, seems a money maker to me...well, they have my money for it anyway in November! THe things we'll do for miles.
COIAH756CA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 506 posts, RR: 6 Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7003 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter): It's unfortunate but if it isn't making money, then it goes.
I piloted CO16 EWR-GLA last week... It was overbooked from what the FA's said.. But the AA flight is from ORD. Different story.. AA doesn't do the New York-Glasgow direct route. Only 40 bucks extra on CO to go from EWR-GLA in oppose to JFK-LHR-GLA for $901..
Long live Denver-STAPLETON. RIP the old and best KDEN
Damian From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 234 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6583 times:
I suspect CO's recent expansion (double daily from Scotland with a combination of GLA/EDI to EWR) can't have helped. Scotland-USA has become a much more crowded market in recent years with US Airways PHL-GLA, Delta EDI-ATL and Flyglobespan SFB-GLA. With possible further expansion from the likes of GSM, NW and DL in Scotland, it's becoming more and more competitive by the year.
Hopefully this will only be a temporary loss. Perhaps BAA could persuade EK to route any future ORD services via GLA to make up for the loss?
Planemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6543 times:
With all the recent route changes, I only wonder when and who will be the next to go? DUB? MAN? ZRH?
25 MAH4546: No, no, and no. In fact AA's three most profitable trans-Atlantic routes on a per flight basis are MIA-LHR, DFW-ZRH, and ORD-MAN.
26 Dutchjet: It seems to be all talk and no action.....from what I hear, AA does OK but not great at BRU, the yeilds on the two flights are not spectacular althou
27 Jacobin777: does it mean its becoming unprofitable on a relatitve basis or on an absolute basis (like SJC-NRT)? now that's interesting..especially given the comp
28 BigGSFO: Curious. Could a 757 make this route work?
29 Dutchjet: Likely its just a bit too far for comfortable 752 operations.....anything more than 3500nm is a headache when winds, ATC delays and weather are facto
30 DTWAGENT: I can't see them not selling enough seats on this flight. I'm flying on 12 Aug PHL-GLA and SNN-PHL and their are only 3 seats on both flights left ope
31 Dutchjet: BA and AA would like your idea........too bad that they cannot since it would be against the law and in violation of competition laws in both the US
32 Comet4b: VFR traffic means vacation family returning home???? by implication not a lot of business or first class traffic???
33 MAH4546: What really killed MIA-MAN were too things: AA was counting on cruise ship contracts that were promised and never fullfilled that would have basiclly
34 Dutchjet: Your analysis in an excellent one (as usual).....but I am not counting on AA expanding at BRU; SN is a good airline, but not a major player, AA will
35 Tiago701: VFR = Visiting Friends and Relatives Usually connoted with low yields but that depends largely on the market in question...
36 TCXDegsy: I know this flies in the face of all previous coments about BA wanting to feed everything through LON... but surely even they've looked at all the DL/
37 MAH4546: Potentially, yes. If Delta does well to Accra, Dakar, and Jo'Burg, I think AA may take a close look at serving Africa from Miami. Freeing up a pair o
38 Dogfighter2111: Heya, While this is sad for GLA, i think they will consider Scotland in the future. Perhaps AA will go for EDI next year? The reason i think this is b
39 Tiago701: And if that's the case it seems to be very well thought of AA as the EDI region has the second highest GDP per capita in the UK, only second to Londo
40 A330323X: Full flights do not imply huge profits. PHL-GLA is US's least-profitable European route.
41 BHMNONREV: Why would AA codesharing on BA flights from LHR violate any anti-trust issues, they are currently doing this on numerous flights to Europe and the Mi
42 Dogfighter2111: Yes, i am glad you agree. I would also like to point out that EDI is currently the busiest airport in Scotland now. This is after EDI handled 4.091.8
44 Baexecutive: Sorry where did you get these figures from? Cheers J
45 Dogfighter2111: erm... What's the silly little face for?
46 Billy: The problem AA has hubbing via BRU is that SN simply has not got enough seats to the right destiantions. TLV was a huge connecting flow for AA through
47 Nighthawk: EDI has been the "busiest" airport over the first 6 months for years now. Glasgows business is very seasonal, and passenger numbers boom over the sum
48 Dogfighter2111: Ohh, i never knew that. Thanks! I just started looking at the figures this year, so i cannot compare to past years. Thanks Mike
49 MAH4546: With regards to the discontinuation of BOS-MAN, the British press is reporting the route has been discontinued. I have no online link as of yet, howev
50 Billy: I heard that the latest economics of the MAN-BOS was excellent. The only reason for canning the service would be operational.
51 MAH4546: I've also heard good economics, but, yes, the issue is operational from what I've heard. They are getting rid of quite a handful of 757s this year an
52 Tiago701: Both Propensity to fly and Catchment Area: DFT (Department for Transport) - The Future of Air Transport in the UK: Scotland. Propensity to fly in Sco
53 Billy: They do not want to be operating 757s with the old domestic F product across the Atlantic appears to be the issue.
54 BigGSFO: Well actually I do not think it is that enlightened - they are losing the TWA 757's and need to adjust their schedule. This isn't to say the flights
55 BCAL: BA has operated services from GLA to JFKIn Summer '92 and '93 they operated 3 x weekly 767s direct GLA-JFKIn Summer '94 they operated BHX-GLA-JFK 4 x
56 MAH4546: That might be part of the issue, it isn't the main issue. The main issue is that their 757 fleet is shrinking by nineteen planes this year. The 757s
57 David_itl: And presumably using 767s would convert it to making losses. Typical...we long for a profitable long-haul service out of MAN and has to be canned for
58 GLAGAZ: How have you worked this out? The West of Scotland has the greater population. Gaz
59 Damian: EDI and GLA share practically the same catchment. It's not possible for one airport to claim a massively bigger catchment over the other. A 90 minute
60 BY738: Not enough demand perhaps for a UK carrier with few onward connections, poor ,variable schedule and extortinate regional fares. CO have proven the de
61 BMIE70: Hi Gaz, See reply 52 It would also be interesting to know what the proportion of longhaul business travellers are from EDI compared to GLA.
62 GLAGAZ: That is the future estimate, no good for today. Gaz
63 TCXDegsy: I know about BA's previous routes. However, that's back in the days when hardly anyone flew Scotland to US... and look at demand now! I believe that
64 BY738: Think its more to do with hubs and onward connections. BA have nothing to offer the onward traveller in the US
65 TCXDegsy: I understand the connections issue and getting pax to LHR, but they have the same issues world-wide, so why is US any different? They have OneWorld f
71 TCXDegsy: Exactly.... "hardly anyone". TWO airlines don't constitue a big market. Whereas now, there are numerous options and frequencies, some albeit seasonal.
72 Bobnwa: NW flew BOS-PIK from 1979-1990, then from BOS-GLA from 1990-1994. Started out with 747's then switched to DC-10's. For quite a while they were the on
73 BY738: So why offer regional routes to say JFK and then get passengers to travel onwards to say LAX by another airline connection ( even a One World partner
74 TCXDegsy: For the same reason BA offer LHR-JFK and MAN-JFK, or Continental offer EDI-EWR and GLA-EWR. it's all about choice and maximising onward travel with yo
75 BY738: You cant compare BA and CO in the same respect from the UK. CO are hoping to maximise onward connections in the US and can offer lots of regional UK d
76 TCXDegsy: Sorry, but I feel my opinion is valid and we'll have to agree to disagree
77 Hammerb32: TCXDegsy No doubt BA would offer the route if they thought there was a profit there. To make the profit then the flight would need a number of premium
78 TCXDegsy: Thank you - exactly my point... which was I'm sure BA would have considered the feasibility on the back of increased transatlantic competition, and n
79 Tiago701: Catchment area figures AREN'T estimates, are real and accurate when the document was produced (2002). The estimates are for the development of the Ai
80 CarbHeatIn: The 757 on the BOS-SNN was always going to be up against it considering EI operates two A-330s per day on the route.
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