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Success Of New DL Routes?  
User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3103 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7401 times:

I know some people hate these kinds of questions, but I'm going to ask anyway because I'm curious  Smile !

DL added several new destinations this summer, including the routes listed below:

JFK-Kiev
JFK-Budapest
ATL-Dusseldorf
ATL-Copenhagen
ATL-Edinburgh
ATL-Tel Aviv

We've all heard on this board that ATL-TLV has exceeded expectations. But what about some of the new routes? Have any been flops? Any pleasant surprises?

Does anyone who has taken one of these flights have any insight? Any info is appreciated.

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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7381 times:

I took the ATL-EDI flight a week after it started. It left 3 hours late from ATL (due to a mechanical) but was 100% full in Y and J class to EDI. On the way back it was about 80% full in Y and 50% in J. The flight was great and the service was excellent ( I was in J class). I can't speak for the other flights but I've heard that the ATL-DUS is doing exceptionally well.


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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1881 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7315 times:
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Greetings from The airport of the former prez (JFK) All of our new JFK-Europe flights are doing amazing. Awaiting the LGW flight which I predict will do well as most of our new intl destinations are being feed through our new DCI flights.


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User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7202 times:

All of the new routes have done well. JFK-GRU has exceeded expectations, RG and their misfortunes have probably influenced that.

From ATL, all have been winners. TLV has slacked off due to the recent events, the flights go over light, but come back full. UIO/GYE has been heavily booked in both directions.

All of the seasonal stuff like NCE, ATH, VCE, and BCN have been running full for the most part.

The only disapointer has been ATL-SNN. trying to fill 287 seats a day has been a tough task.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7153 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 2):
Greetings from The airport of the former prez (JFK) All of our new JFK-Europe flights are doing amazing.

While most of the new routes are doing amazing, I think it was JW or EB who also said that there are two JFK routes that haven't been hits right off the bat - Kiev and Budapest. They're not giving up, but indicated that they haven't been as successful as most of the other routes - example ATL-TLV started to make money in the second week or so...

Time will tell, but I believe you'll see most of the routes here to stay!



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User currently offlineJaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7029 times:

Does anyone know how the DL route from ORD-LGA is doing? They face plenty of competition on the route from UA and AA. I flew it a few months back, and it was 100% full on one trip, but on the way back it was closer to about 50% full.

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2924 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6989 times:

Quoting Exusair (Reply 3):
All of the new routes have done well.

Glad to hear this although the true test will be after peak summer season and after DL emerges from BK.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6957 times:
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Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
there are two JFK routes that haven't been hits right off the bat - Kiev and Budapest

KBP has been decent in the back but quite tough up front. Routes like this are medium-to-long term investments and I believe (or certainly hope) that DL has taken that into account; the hope is that traffic builds as those countries further develop. The market will never be big enough for more than one U.S. carrier and DL is taking some hits up front to get its foot in the door, betting that the route will develop. I've heard that BUD is OK and has been doing as expected - not gangbusters like some of the others. JFK-DUB/SNN, on the other hand....packed, packed, packed.

Quoting Jaws707 (Reply 5):
Does anyone know how the DL route from ORD-LGA is doing?

DL has indicated that they are quite pleased with the performance of the ORD-LGA route. The use of the super-convenient and efficient Marine Air Terminal at LGA has helped draw in and maintain many customers - not bad given the weekday hourly service offered by AA and UA.

[Edited 2006-08-03 16:09:38]

User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6933 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 7):
The market will never be big enough for more than one U.S. carrier and DL is taking some hits up front to get its foot in the door, betting that the route will develop.

agree and long-terms should be viable.

now shall we really start talking about what we've "heard"

LOL.



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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6878 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 7):
I've heard that BUD is OK and has been doing as expected - not gangbusters like some of the others

Im not surprised to hear that. The MA flight leaves 5 minutes before the DL does on both legs. When DL announced the relaunch of the BUD flights, MA quickly signed a code share agreement with AA which also lets MA pax connected to 18 US cities via JFK.

Wasn't BUD-JFK a joint MA & DL flight in the 90's? I distinctly remember DL FA's on the MA flight.

KrisYYZ.


User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6867 times:

While I cannot say about loads on all flights I was recently on DL from ATL-CDG and AF from CDG-CPH. Going over to Paris was full as usual. After some business in Normandy I went on to CPH and the return flight to ATL from CPH appeared to be close to full if not full. J class was full and I believe from the looks of it Y was 85-90% full. I asked the FA how the route was going and she indicated that it was exceeding expectations. I believe though that this one route has got to tail off towards Oct./Nov. I would think. Though there may be some vacationers at that point going to Florida perhaps.

All in all it seems like DL is on the right track.



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User currently offlineSspontak From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 476 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6844 times:

How are some of the other new domestic runs from NYC doing?

LGA-MIA
LGA-DFW
LGA-LAX Sat. only
LGA-LAS Sat. only

JFK-SAN



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6831 times:

Quoting Sspontak (Reply 11):
LGA-MIA
LGA-DFW

decent, getting better, not fully gangbusters from what I've heard, catering mostly to the DL crowds in NYC travelling to these two destinations, but pulling in a few others ...

Not sure about the rest of the routes you posted



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6582 times:

Good info. Let's hope Kiev and Budapest can start to build a following, and can become successful like SVO and other markets where DL is the only carrier.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6567 times:

Quoting Sspontak (Reply 11):
How are some of the other new domestic runs from NYC doing?

LGA-MIA
LGA-DFW

LGA-MIA has been doing decently well, but will become an E70 in the fall (which, IMO, is an "upgrade" in terms of passenger comfort). The problem with the MIA-LGA flight is that they don't offer a morning departure from Miami or an evening departure from New York, which makes it harder to get the business travelers. Hard to compete with AA's twenty daily MIA-NYC runs if you don't offer at least three.



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User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6516 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 7):
JFK-DUB/SNN, on the other hand....packed, packed, packed.

Pleased to hear that, given EI serves the route up to 3 times a day (2 x Dublin and 1 x SNN) and CO do it up to 3 times a day as well (but obviously to EWR), is it all Y though or is C getting good loads as well?



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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6506 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 7):
DL has indicated that they are quite pleased with the performance of the ORD-LGA route. The use of the super-convenient and efficient Marine Air Terminal at LGA has helped draw in and maintain many customers - not bad given the weekday hourly service offered by AA and UA.

I think this a great example of a company using an asset (the MAT) that no one else can duplicate in a way that helps them grow into a new market that most people wouldn't have given them a chance at. Good job DL!!

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4400 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6477 times:
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Quoting Sspontak (Reply 11):
LGA-LAX Sat. only
LGA-LAS Sat. only

LGA-LAS appears to be doing extremely well, and LGA-LAX average.

ATL-CID and SLC-DSM also appear to be doing extremely well.

Anyone have any more info on those routes?



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6471 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 15):
Pleased to hear that, given EI serves the route up to 3 times a day (2 x Dublin and 1 x SNN) and CO do it up to 3 times a day as well (but obviously to EWR), is it all Y though or is C getting good loads as well?

Well, it's all Y as the flight is being loaded as an all Y 764 with upgrades for medallions and non-revs.

Quoting Sspontak (Reply 11):
How are some of the other new domestic runs from NYC doing?
LGA-LAX Sat. only

I flew this route on July 15. The flight showed 77 seats the day before (non-revving). It did however fill up because a JFK flight cancelled and they shuttled some people over to LGA and made it a completely full flight. But overall, I would say LGA-LAX is doing OK to good. This saturday shows the flight as overbooked by 1.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6416 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 18):
LGA-LAX is doing OK to good

DL have a LGA-LAX flight? what equipment flies the route? and I thought LGA had a limit on the distance an airport could be served from LGA (e.g. 1K miles etc) Cheers for the info.



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 44
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6412 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 19):
DL have a LGA-LAX flight? what equipment flies the route? and I thought LGA had a limit on the distance an airport could be served from LGA (e.g. 1K miles etc) Cheers for the info.

Flown saturday only when the perimeter rule is not in effect. Aircraft is Boeing 757-232.



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User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 777 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6372 times:

Any chance we will see another new DL route to Ireland next summer?


Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6125 times:

Any chance we will see another new DL route to Europe next summer?


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineFreakfor747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6070 times:

What about SLC-ASE? or does that not count because it's Skywest?


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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2301 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5713 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 17):
ATL-CID and SLC-DSM also appear to be doing extremely well.

Anyone have any more info on those routes?

I would like to know too about ATL-CID. From the seat maps it always looks booked solid, was wondering if maybe they will add another flight or two.


25 Backfire103 : Anyone know how the load factors are playing out on JFK-ALB route that delta revived?
26 Iowaman : An additional flight would be welcomed for sure, and as you said loads look great on the seat maps. It appears to be doing better than I would of exp
27 MastaHanky : They recently added a second daily if that tells you anything. I think it kind of surprised everybody.
28 DptMAN : How about the JFK-MAN service? dptMAN
29 Panamair : Yes, DL and MA codeshared on the flight (that was when DL was codesharing with just about everyone - SR, SN, MA, VS, AY...) Unfortunately, the curren
30 DALelite : Good to hear that DL is on the right track again. Go Delta Go! DALelite
31 Post contains images Alitalia744 : Careful Panamair - jetbluenyc/fan1/bluejuice/isthebest/insert whatever nick after jetblue here - may get on you for assuming another airline can go i
32 Concorde001 : You might be right there: BA - daily to JFK 763 CO - doubly daily to EWR (Summer) 752 or 752 / 762 CO - daily to EWR (Winter) 764 / 772 PK - thrice w
33 MAH4546 : The CR7s are there for a placeholder. It will be E70s.
34 Panamair : Phew! Thanks I'm sure DL is relying on everything - whatever traffic they can get. JFK can handle the connecting traffic that would require backtrack
35 UN_B732 : KBP is doing exteremly well, in terms of both load & yield from what I hear. Let's see how it does this winter. AeroSvit isn't really doing much (if a
36 Post contains images GKirk : How is the EDI-ATL service doing? Any plans to change it to GLA?
37 SANFan : I can report that DL has resch'd the SAN-JFK flight to an 8AM departure eff. 9/06; it is currently a red-eye. I consider this an indication that DL i
38 Damian : None whatsoever. EDI route appears to be doing much better than many in here expected. Circa 80% load factor in its first month of operation, and it
39 BY738 : You would hope so given that a 763 carries more pax than a 752 even in DL configuration
40 Post contains images OttoPylit : LOL Seems to be the fashion to do on here. I am astonished at how well the new JFK DH8 flights are working. Seems all are either sold out, or carryin
41 EIRules : I am flying DUB-SAN in Oct and flying outbound via JFK but am flying hoe via ATL due to there being no scedule from SAN-DUB via JFK. I'm pretty happe
42 UN_B732 : It's the power of interlining and a same-terminal connection. JFK T3 is just as good (or bad) as IAD or EWR for a passenger transiting to Burlington,
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