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User currently offlineA340600MAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 144 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Hi All

I have recently been looking at the services operated by LCC's from Manchester and I feel their is still some destinations that could be operated by the likes of Jet 2, BMI Baby etc.

Paris - BA Connect and Air France. Route flown by Easyjet from Liverpool for many years. Surely a local LLC could give BA / AF a run for their money. A large business and leisure market.

Madrid - BA Connect. Large leisure market.

Copenhagen - SAS. Again business and leisure market.

Athens, Rome and Milan - All popular leisure markets.

I'm sure the likes of Jet 2 and BMI Baby could offer cheaper fares than the full services currently operating the routes.

Len


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User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2794 times:

Yes, but the thing with Jet2 and bmiBaby is, insted of competing with others, they just wanna play it safe and stick to the popular destinations.

BmiBaby are an awfully boring company, they never introduce any new and/or interesting destinations. As for Jet2, I think they're concentrating on expanding on a wide basis more than on a concentrated basis (e.g. they'd rather have lots of UK bases, other than have one base with hundreds of destinations).

I think what MAN really needs is a GOOD low-cost carrier, someone like EZY, or even TOM, who are going to offer a wider range of destinations, insted of just playing it safe with PMI, AGP, and the likes...



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User currently offlineA340600MAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

Hi Cwldude

What do you class as a GOOD LCC? I have recently flew with Jet2 to AMS and found them to be spot on.

AMS has both BA and KLM on the route. Jet2 has flown this route successfully from MAN. Surely Paris falls into the same category as AMS. Two national carriers competing for both business and a large leisure market.

I'm sure CPH, ATH,FCO and LIN could accommodate a LCC service from MAN.

Anyone have any suggestions for possible routes.


Len



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

Quoting A340600MAN (Reply 2):
AMS has both BA and KLM on the route

BA pulled out of MAN-AMS a while ago.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

Quoting A340600MAN (Thread starter):
Copenhagen - SAS. Again business and leisure market.

Maersk Air used to fly this route before they became part of Sterling. Where they an LCC at that time?

Quoting A340600MAN (Thread starter):
Athens, Rome and Milan - All popular leisure markets.

Milan - Jet 2 announced Bergamo flights this week
Rome - Flown by Jet 2



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User currently offlineDptMAN From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

Quoting A340600MAN (Thread starter):
Paris - BA Connect and Air France. Route flown by Easyjet from Liverpool for many years. Surely a local LLC could give BA / AF a run for their money. A large business and leisure market.

BmiBaby flew this route (MAN-CDG) for a summer season in 2004 but was disconinued.

dptMAN

[Edited 2006-08-04 12:42:55]

User currently offlineBaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

Quoting A340600MAN (Reply 2):
Anyone have any suggestions for possible routes.

I would suggest a service to GLA - currently operated by BA Connect and bmi however Jet2 operate a service to EDI which was very busy the last time I flew it.

J


User currently offlineA340600MAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

My apologies, BA has pulled of the MAN AMS route and Rome is operated by Jet 2.

Len



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User currently offlineDptMAN From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

flyGibraltar to launch LCC from Gibraltar to MAN starting next spring as shown in another thread.

User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Quoting A340600MAN (Reply 2):
Hi Cwldude

What do you class as a GOOD LCC?

Sorry, when I originally said they need a good LCC, I didnt mean in terms of service and all that, as far as that's concerned Jet2 are undoubtedly ranking towards the top.

I mean that MAN need a company that are gonna base there, and concentrate on expanding that base through trying out new things, and hey, if they don't work, they don't work, but they tried! They'd probably find that a lot of things would work, and it's a good key to a successful airline. Let's hope so anyway...



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User currently offlineA340600MAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

Quoting DptMAN (Reply 8):

Great news for MAN and GIB. I Hope it gets off the ground.



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User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

Quoting A340600MAN (Thread starter):
Paris - BA Connect and Air France. Route flown by Easyjet from Liverpool for many years. Surely a local LLC could give BA / AF a run for their money. A large business and leisure market.

BA and AF offer cheap enough fares and enough seats to cater for eveybody. bmibaby tried CDG once, it didn't work and there's no need for another operator to Paris. Liverpool needs a twice daily service to Paris and EZY is the best airline to do the job.

Quoting A340600MAN (Thread starter):
Madrid - BA Connect. Large leisure market.

The leisure market to MAD isn't that huge. BA seem to do ok on MAN-MAD primarily for business passengers, EZY caters for everyone else, but ZB failed to compete effectively from MAN. NW England to Madrid is a finite market, already adequately catered for. Madrid's a great place, but have you noticed that it's not high on the agenda for Jet2 from Leeds, Newcastle and Belfast, bmibaby or flybe from Birmingham, or Thomsonfly from Coventry or Doncaster......etc?

Quoting A340600MAN (Thread starter):
Copenhagen - SAS. Again business and leisure market.

Copenhagen is a very small 'niche' leisure market. There are very few flights from the UK to Denmark anyway, and none from Liverpool.

Quoting A340600MAN (Thread starter):
Athens, Rome and Milan - All popular leisure markets.

A LCC from Manchester or Liverpool to Athens is a route just waiting to happen. Olympic Airways have zero publicity or consumer presence, they don't advertise and very few people know from one week to another whether they're bankrupt or not.


User currently offlineA340600MAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Hi All

I thank everyone for their comments.

Apart from Athens, are we saying that future expansion from Manchester on the LCC front is limited? Most destinations are already covered by charter airlines or are operated from Liverpool?

No suggestions for future routes ?



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User currently offlineFlymunich From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Why no Manchester - South Germany (MUC) LCC-flights???

User currently offlineDptMAN From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Quoting Flymunich (Reply 13):
Why no Manchester - South Germany (MUC) LCC-flights???

YES!! LH can be so expensive at the times i wish to travel to MUC, an LCC from either MAN or LPL would be great!!!


User currently offlineZBA320 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

Interesting idea with Paris.

There's no reason why ZB couldn't operate a similar route if Jet2, BMI Baby don't and as you said could give BA/AF a run for there money.

On the other hand there is strong competition from LPL been 30 miles away from MAN.

Do Monarch Scheduled actually have any other other French Destinations or are they still focusing on Spain?



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User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

Quoting ZBA320 (Reply 15):
There's no reason why ZB couldn't operate a similar route if Jet2, BMI Baby don't and as you said could give BA/AF a run for there money.

There's no point in a once daily CDG or ORY service from MAN, when BA and AF offer something like 11 flights a day between them. If every return ticket was 50 quid (which they couldn't all be), only then might it operate full, and probably still at a loss.

Quoting ZBA320 (Reply 15):
Do Monarch Scheduled actually have any other other French Destinations or are they still focusing on Spain?

No, just Spain, Gib and Portugal now. Naples was added last year, but wasn't re-scheduled this summer.


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