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User currently offlineGREATANSETT From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 508 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

Just a question, what will/is the 757 replacement aircraft? Isn't the aircraft (primarily the 200's) quite old, just a little younger then the 767-200? When will the replacement show up? 5, 10, 15 years?


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User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5672 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4214 times:

I believe the 737-900 is considered a "replacement" for the 757.

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User currently offlineGREATANSETT From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 508 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4214 times:

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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4205 times:

Someone will have to assist me with the specifics, but I believe one of the new 787 models is intended as a replacement for various 757's.

Understand that this is going to be a very difficult airplane to replace. CO is finding them to be the perfect airplane on flights from EWR to Europe that don't justify a 767 or larger, and HP knows them to be the one plane in their fleet that is rarely (if ever!) weight or capacity restricted at PHX or LAS in the summer.

Considering that HP is flying some models that are -25 originally built for Eastern Airlines (a launch customer), I think you're going to see 757's in schedules for a LONG time!!



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User currently offlineSK A340 From Sweden, joined Mar 2000, 845 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
Someone will have to assist me with the specifics, but I believe one of the new 787 models is intended as a replacement for various 757's.

FI is using the 787 as a replacement for their 757s.

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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

going off the boeing site the 37-900ER is 180 in 2 class the 787-8 is 210-250 and the 57-200 is 200 in 2 Class.

The 787 or the 37 don't seem to be perfect replacements. I suppose they could work but the 57 fits so nicely in between.

Also how can you replace the rocket of a 757 with a 737 stretch or a small 787, nothing will ever replace the 757 in my mind, it is one of a kind.



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

I expect the B737 replacement to also replace the B757.

User currently offlineCOIAH756CA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 506 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4079 times:

I love the 757 like a wife. Flying it hasn't gotten old after 9 years. I hope the replacement doesn't come soon. I hope that I can leave the 757 for the 787 someday. I hope to be one of the first on it.


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User currently offlineLhrmaccoll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4076 times:

737-1000 I'd imagine is the ideal replacement. ER version


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User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3899 times:
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There will be nothing quite like the 757. So far I haven't heard anyone complain about the machine, whether it be pilots, passengers, MX, etc. Lots of power, huge wings, amazing capabilities.

It has been speculated that a replacement for the 752 will be part of Boeing's Y1 or 737RS project, which is likely to be their next project after the 787 hits the market. The Y1 will be an airframe that replaces anything from a 717 or 736 up to a 752, essentially a frame that can be stretched or shrunk to fit 100-200 seats. In order to pull this off, there will probably be more than one wing design as well as some FBW included. It is also believed that composite and bleedless engine technology (or whatever even newer stuff comes out in the days to follow) will be incorporated in the design.

It appears that Boeing is offering the 783 as a replacement for aircraft like the 753 and 762 (especially 762 non-ER). That is, a machine with high-density, medium range, just like the 753 and 762 non-ER (or even 763 non-ER). These machines were intended for runs that typically don't cross an ocean, like a US trans-con or intercity service in Japan. But, if it is plausible in the future, who knows, maybe they will offer a super-stretch Y1 which is similar to the 753, kind of like they did with the 752, that is if the frame could handle such as stretch...

The 739 is "sort-of" a replacement for the 752. It really competes more directly with an A321, which is somewhat smaller and does not have the legs that a 757 has. You are NOT going to get across the Atlantic in a 321 like you will in a 757. Even the 739ER is not quite a replacement for the 757, it is a bit smaller and has less range. You are not going to get across the Atlantic in one of those either with a decent payload. That's not to say it isn't a good aircraft, it just isn't a direct replacement.

It was once said on there that the best replacement for an old 752 is another 752. It's unfortunate they don't make them anymore, but let's see what new exciting technology Boeing has up their sleeves.



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User currently offlineCobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1017 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

Quoting Lhrmaccoll (Reply 8):
737-1000 I'd imagine is the ideal replacement. ER version

I don't think there will ever be an 737-1000


User currently offlineORDRyan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3798 times:

it's the 739/ER...

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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4104 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3768 times:

I think DL will hang onto their 752s for the foreseeable future. But the 739ER is the likely replacement for most carriers, even though DL will use a 738 where a 752 isn't available, except for SLC-Hawaii, where an ETOPs certified 752 is needed for SLC-KOA.


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User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3699 times:

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 9):
ven the 739ER is not quite a replacement for the 757, it is a bit smaller and has less range. You are not going to get across the Atlantic in one of those either with a decent payload. That's not to say it isn't a good aircraft, it just isn't a direct replacement.

Hmm... The 739ER and 321 can replace 95% of 757 flights, then. With much lower fuel burn.

The 757 is a neat Atlantic aircraft. But for USA domestic, the 757 has been outclassed in fuel efficiency. The 739ER and A321 are both superior aircraft inside the USA for nearly all missions...

The 757 is enjoying its last hurrah right now. A great plane.


User currently offlineNorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 456 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 13):
The 757 is a neat Atlantic aircraft. But for USA domestic, the 757 has been outclassed in fuel efficiency. The 739ER and A321 are both superior aircraft inside the USA for nearly all missions...

If the A321 is such a superior aircraft for domestic ops then why doesn't any major carrier besides US have them ?



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User currently offlineBDL2DCA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

Quoting NorthwestEWR (Reply 14):
If the A321 is such a superior aircraft for domestic ops then why doesn't any major carrier besides US have them ?

Probably because by the time the A321 came into service, everyone had 757s already.



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User currently offlineAirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 9):
There will be nothing quite like the 757. So far I haven't heard anyone complain about the machine, whether it be pilots, passengers, MX, etc. Lots of power, huge wings, amazing capabilities.

Amen to that! the 757 has to be my favorite aircraft (tied with the 772) I must say there is nothing like the 757 for getting pushed into your seat on take off!

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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 9):
It has been speculated that a replacement for the 752 will be part of Boeing's Y1 or 737RS project, which is likely to be their next project after the 787 hits the market. The Y1 will be an airframe that replaces anything from a 717 or 736 up to a 752, essentially a frame that can be stretched or shrunk to fit 100-200 seats. In order to pull this off, there will probably be more than one wing design as well as some FBW included. It is also believed that composite and bleedless engine technology (or whatever even newer stuff comes out in the days to follow) will be incorporated in the design.

Where can I learn more about the Y1 program? Do you know when Boeing envisions this product to hit the market?

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User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

If you really want a 757 replacement you can always opt for brand-new Tupolev 204/214's which can be fitted with the same RR engines as the 57 and looks almost identical.

There is even a 166 seat shrink (think 757-100) which can do some extremely long flights. I believe Vladvlostok Air flies it betwee that city and St. Petersburg which is 11 hours!

Unfortunately I don't see any Western airlines using them extensively until the Russians have a support/maintenence in place.


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5258 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 13):
The 739ER and A321 are both superior aircraft inside the USA for nearly all missions...

Hmmmmm.... some of the capabilities of the 757 may not be sufficiently appreciated. One capability is baggage/cargo lift, which the A321 and 738 (at least) don't have, particularly at the outer edges of their range. For example, Air Jamaica is wet-leasing North American Airlines 757-200s to fly some of their routes this summer. One thing that apparently enthused Air Jamaica folks was that they wouldn't have to leave all the baggage/cargo behind that they normally do when their A321s and A320s are plying those routes during busy summer periods. I have flown on US's A321s, and they are very nice planes that I'm sure most non-enthusiast passengers like very much, but I have to say that the 757 is just an E-Ticket ride. (One of the best for me was going DFW-FLL-PBI on DL years ago. I still remember the thrill-ride that was the FLL-PBI segment, late at night, on a virtually empty 757. Wow. About the most fun 15 minutes of flying I have ever done!)


User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1581 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

My guess is that there will be a new airplane along the lines of the 787 but a narrow body.....perhaps called the 797.


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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7377 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

There is no B757 replacement, there are just current and future a/c which match some of its capabilities. Either they lack the range and or payload - B737-900 / ER, A321 , or they have too much range and payload - B767 A330.

Presently, the a/c is in a niche all by itself and will probably never be replaced. There is a market for it, will be fun to see what Airbus and Boeing do about it, my take is they will manufacture the market away, that is not produce any a/c in that niche. Customers will have to either decide on more pax, range and cargo, or less pax, more range, less cargo, then the terms of CASM and others come into play.


User currently offlineJAM747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 550 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 19):
Hmmmmm.... some of the capabilities of the 757 may not be sufficiently appreciated. One capability is baggage/cargo lift, which the A321 and 738 (at least) don't have, particularly at the outer edges of their range. For example, Air Jamaica is wet-leasing North American Airlines 757-200s to fly some of their routes this summer.

I hope Air Jamaica gets some 757 of their own when they get out of their current problems.


User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3056 times:
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Quoting AF022 (Reply 17):

Where can I learn more about the Y1 program? Do you know when Boeing envisions this product to hit the market?

Actually, it's commonly discussed in this forum if you search for "Y1" or "Yellowstone". Or, there are entries in Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Yellowstone

They don't really discuss a timeline and I can't find very solid information as far as a timeline of development for this project. There is absolutely nothing I can find on Boeing's website about Y1 or Yellowstone...



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User currently offlineCoerj From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

The 767 will not be a replacement simply because it will probably be canceled very soon. The 787-8 or 3 cannot be a replacement for the 757-200 because in max 2 class capacity it holds 330 pax while the 757-2 holds 200 pax in max 2 class arangement. For domestic ops we have the 737-9 and no replacement for intl ops probably because boeing doesn't consider it part of their international line as it is barely used by any airline besides Co for transcontinental ops.

Hopefully Boeing's Y1 replacement for the 752 will strongly resemble it with improved economics, interior, and range.


25 MotorHussy : From the Boeing perspective, custoimers will be offered the 737-900ER or the 787-3 I'd say, depending on their need. Airbus can only offer the A321. I
26 Mason747 : The replacement for the 757 is suppose to be the 787. A low to medium range one. Any thoughts on this?
27 N62NA : 757-100????
28 Amazonphil : Hmmm.. seems strange how times have changed. Just 5-7 years ago, nobody hardly went across the Atlantic in a 752. Then CO got started on it and seems
29 HAWK21M : Isn't that the purpose of the B737-900ER. regds MEL
30 PavlovsDog : The shortened Tupolev looks like a 757-200 shrink. I wonder if Boeing ever planned on a 757-100 or a 761 or 771. Both the 727 and 737 had 100 series.
31 AF022 : Does Boeing still produce the 767-200ER? Could this be considered an alternative to the B757-200, since the 757 isn't being produced anymore?
32 PavlovsDog : It'd be nice to see Airbus stretch the A321 a few meters and have a 322. Obviously a new wing would be needed which could also be used on a new long-r
33 Amazonphil : I guess that's the purpose/idea, yes but the two aircraft are not the same...the 757 is a "bigger, farther, faster, carry more load...type aircraft w
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