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CRJ200PF Launched!  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6597 times:

Well well well... very slow forum today  Wink

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04.08.2006 07:15:00West Air Europe to Acquire First Bombardier CRJ200 Aircraft for Cargo OperationsBombardier Aerospace Launches Package Freighter Program

TORONTO, ONTARIO -- (MARKET WIRE) -- August 03, 2006 -- Bombardier Aerospace today announced that West Air Europe of Gothenburg, Sweden has signed a contract to acquire two previously owned Bombardier CRJ200 regional jets for conversion to an all-cargo configuration. Bombardier Aerospace has simultaneously launched the CRJ200 PF (Package Freighter) program.

West Air Europe, Sweden´s largest air freight carrier, currently operates scheduled and charter small package and airmail services within Sweden and to other points in Europe. Its current fleet is comprised of 17 turboprops.

"We require the Bombardier CRJ200 PF aircraft to fulfill specific customer demands for higher than turboprop speeds on routes of more than 575 miles (925 km)," said Gustaf Thureborn, President, West Air Europe. "So we are pleased to place this order with Bombardier. It is confirmation of our mission to meet the demand for efficient freight transportation with a customized aircraft fleet."

"The CRJ200 PF aircraft allows direct flights on longer, thin routes that are currently flown by larger aircraft," said Rod Sheridan, Vice-President, Asset Management, Bombardier Regional Aircraft. Since the introduction of the concept, considerable interest has been expressed by many prospective customers."

In the all-cargo configuration, the CRJ200 PF aircraft will have a cargo volume of approximately 1,700 cubic ft. (48.2 cubic m) and 14,000 pounds (6,350 kg). Maximum take-off weight will be 53,000 pounds (24,040 kg), the same as the high gross weight version of the CRJ200 aircraft.

About Bombardier

A world-leading manufacturer of innovative transportation solutions, from regional aircraft and business jets to rail transportation equipment, Bombardier Inc. is a global corporation headquartered in Canada. Its revenues for the fiscal year ended Jan. 31, 2006, were $14.7 billion US and its shares are traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange (BBD). News and information are available at www.bombardier.com.

Bombardier and CRJ200 are trademarks of Bombardier Inc. or its subsidiaries.


Contacts:
Bombardier Aerospace
Marc Holloran
(416) 375-3030
www.bombardier.com

SOURCE: Bombardier Aerospace



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User currently offlinePavlin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6563 times:

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Well well well... very slow forum today Wink

This is going for over a week now. Maybe all are on vacations.

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
nd 14,000 pounds (6,350 kg

I don't like that. It is really small


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 970 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6517 times:

Quoting Pavlin (Reply 1):
Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
nd 14,000 pounds (6,350 kg

I don't like that. It is really small

Consider a small cargo carrier, like Airnet for example. I wonder if they would any interest in this aircraft to replace their aging learjets.



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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4253 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6517 times:

So finally the daily ATP services by West Air at AMS will go to CRJ?


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User currently offlineCobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1009 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6501 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 2):
Consider a small cargo carrier, like Airnet for example. I wonder if they would any interest in this aircraft to replace their aging learjets.

Small yes, but not economical


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2489 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6501 times:

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I don't like that. It is really small

Oke it isn't much of cargo but they will use them for small private cargo loads, now how much space do you need when you wan't to send a ''small amount'' of cargo?

And there isn't a real competitor for this plane. i mean look at this:


AN-32 , pay load 6700 Kg, range 1200 km (fully loaded), speed 450 Km/h, fuel usage 2,4l/km

ATR-42-500, pay load 5810 Kg, range 1555 km, speed 460 Km/h, fuel usage 1,38 l/km

BAE / HS 748 Freighter , 5.000 kg 1.865km, 1.61 l/km, 450 km/h

BAE ATP Freighter, 6.700 kg ,1.065,km, 1.57 l/km, 470 km/h

BAE 146-100QT , 7.770 kg ,1.760km, 4.13 l/km ,800 km/h


Bombardier CRJ 200ER, 6,350kg, 2.570km, 2.28 l/km, 820 km/h

planes that carry more cargo are way slower, Use almost 2 as much fuel, and can't even come near the range or speed of the CRJ. I think there is a real market for the older CRJ's...

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Small yes, but not economical

Not true at all, see the figures  Wink

[Edited 2006-08-04 14:36:23]

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6486 times:

Why not do it? After all, there are enough used CRJs out there sitting in the desert, which could be bought/leased at VERY favorable prices. Now, I doubt there will be a flood of CRJ freighters coming, but there will definitely be a few hundreds in upcoming years. Never forget, cargo/parcel doesn't give a sh!t whether windows are on eyelevel or not  Wink .

User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2489 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6468 times:

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Never forget, cargo/parcel doesn't give a sh!t whether windows are on eyelevel or not

True, and for the bigger parcel company's as FedEx it could be a really good plane for the routes that the ATR can't make, Wich they do have enough....


User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2870 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6436 times:

Great idea!

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 6):
Never forget, cargo/parcel doesn't give a sh!t whether windows are on eyelevel or not

 Smile And it may not even have windows. That would be one great looking cargo plane!



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User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6327 times:

Back in June of 2005, in a thread titled "Fed Ex 727 Replacement?", I stated:

As for smaller cities, what about a conversion for the CRJ? Payload wouldn't be that much of an issue, and CRJs will be available for 10 cents on the dollar in a couple of years...

A response followed from another member:

"Jets just are not and never will be as efficient as turboprops on short stages, and cargo isn't time sensitive (when you're talking the 10 to 15 minute difference between a jet and a prop) nor does it care that its being carried on a prop. Props are also much much cheaper to acquire. "

and my response was:

"I never said anything about short stages. And I understand that a 10 minute difference on a short segment isn't critical. My comment was in regard to smaller cities, but I should have clarified by stating "long, thin routes", where time becomes much more sensitive, especially to FedEx.

I realize FedEx (or a contractor) is using ATRs, but not sure if there are that many around - also, the used market appears to have picked up a little bit for them.

Mike Boyd believes (and I tend to agree) that the 50 passenger RJs have reached, or even passed their peak. If Independence goes belly-up, that's a chunk of potential conversions right there, and the price would certainly come down if a company approached the owners and offered to take the whole lot off their hands. Initial acquisition costs could even be lower than the larger ATR72.

I'm not technically savvy enough to know whether the CRJ could be converted, what type of performance penalty it would take, or if it would gross out (is that the term? Funny...) prior to bulk out. However, FedEx did start with the Falcon 20..."

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 6):
Why not do it? After all, there are enough used CRJs out there sitting in the desert, which could be bought/leased at VERY favorable prices. Now, I doubt there will be a flood of CRJ freighters coming, but there will definitely be a few hundreds in upcoming years. Never forget, cargo/parcel doesn't give a sh!t whether windows are on eyelevel or no



Quoting MauriceB (Reply 7):
True, and for the bigger parcel company's as FedEx it could be a really good plane for the routes that the ATR can't make, Wich they do have enough....

Alright, guys...let's scare up a couple of millionaires with money to burn and start a business!


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 970 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6140 times:

I honestly think a company like Airnet could be interested in this aircraft. After all they use very old, and small, less fuel efficient Lear 35's...why not 'upgrade' to a CRJ/PF. Also remember with the new electronic checks, the need to fly cxld checks is diminishing and these types of carriers are shifting their business in response to that.


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User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6004 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 10):
honestly think a company like Airnet could be interested in this aircraft. After all they use very old, and small, less fuel efficient Lear 35's...why not 'upgrade' to a CRJ/PF. Also remember with the new electronic checks, the need to fly cxld checks is diminishing and these types of carriers are shifting their business in response to that.

Another similar cargo operator that could possibly use the CRJ/PF is
Ameriflight who also have aged Learjets in addition to the hodgepodge
fleet of props.



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User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 9):
Mike Boyd believes (and I tend to agree) that the 50 passenger RJs have reached, or even passed their peak. If Independence goes belly-up, that's a chunk of potential conversions right there, and the price would certainly come down if a company approached the owners and offered to take the whole lot off their hands. Initial acquisition costs could even be lower than the larger ATR72.

Where have you been? Indy's long gone. Haven't you noticed the improvement at IAD?


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4776 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5889 times:

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 12):
Where have you been? Indy's long gone. Haven't you noticed the improvement at IAD?

Here's your answer:

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 9):
Back in June of 2005, in a thread titled "Fed Ex 727 Replacement?", I stated:


User currently offlineOMA2FAI2SAV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5804 times:

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 12):
Where have you been? Indy's long gone. Haven't you noticed the improvement at IAD?

The improvement at IAD? If you are talking about improvement in service, you must not have been there recently. It is back to UAX and their awful service. At DH, the agents were atleast friendly. And they tried. Something I have never seen a UAX employee even try.


User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1772 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5768 times:

You people suggesting this aircraft for AirNet; when was the last time you checked the company financials? AirNet is in no shape and form to afford these planes..


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User currently offlineGalapagapop From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 910 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5455 times:

Maybe some carriers in smaller FX cities would by interested? Wiggum A/C in MHT? They operate a handful of Cessna's on regional routes to feed the bigger jets that eventually come into MHT. Maybe they could use them to expand more longer thinner routes to help distribution of BOS area packages?

User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5212 times:
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Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 10):
I honestly think a company like Airnet could be interested in this aircraft. After all they use very old, and small, less fuel efficient Lear 35's...why not 'upgrade' to a CRJ/PF.

If Airnet (and similar companies) needed the capacity of a CRJ-PF, they would have already purchased larger aircraft. The Learjets are very good at their missions, which very often involve the delivery of a single, small, critically-important package.

It's not uncommon for an automobile assembly line in Mexico (for example) to grind to a complete halt due to a single broken component. In cases like this, an auto manufacturer will gladly pay several thousand dollars to get that replacement part to the plant NOW, as each hour of downtime costs hundreds of thousands of dollars (or more).

This sort of mission is where the Learjets shine....and the added capacity of a CRJ isn't going to serve any benefit....especially considering the substantially greater acquisition costs.




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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 970 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4512 times:

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 15):
You people suggesting this aircraft for AirNet; when was the last time you checked the company financials? AirNet is in no shape and form to afford these planes..

I believe I was the only one who suggested it. And I don't believe I have ever checked Airnet's finances, they are not exactly front page news like the airlines.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 17):
If Airnet (and similar companies) needed the capacity of a CRJ-PF, they would have already purchased larger aircraft. The Learjets are very good at their missions, which very often involve the delivery of a single, small, critically-important package.

It's not uncommon for an automobile assembly line in Mexico (for example) to grind to a complete halt due to a single broken component. In cases like this, an auto manufacturer will gladly pay several thousand dollars to get that replacement part to the plant NOW, as each hour of downtime costs hundreds of thousands of dollars (or more).

This sort of mission is where the Learjets shine....and the added capacity of a CRJ isn't going to serve any benefit....especially considering the substantially greater acquisition costs.

Im not very knowledgeable about their business, but I stand corrected.



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User currently offlineCaptainstorck From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

AirNet does need to replace their lears (quite badly in some cases) when they do replace them, it likely won't be with CRJs (or anything new, Bahadir is correct - they have been just barely clinging to life for a while now) As much as I would love to load or unload a cargo CRJ, I don't see it. Though the higher capacity would suit where the trend of the company is headed and they would still maintain their time efficency, the profit to pay leases on new airplanes just isn't there.

[Edited 2006-08-05 08:39:18]

User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

I thought the CRJ-200 already was a "package freighter".  Confused


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineMalmoaviation From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 385 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

Great for Westair! Looking forward to see a CRJ200Freighter in their colors. I've only seen some turboprops from Westair at the remote aprons at Arlanda, but time has changed now  Smile

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