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Airbus Releases Updated Picture Of SIA's A359XWB  
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 25208 times:

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User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 25171 times:

Raked wingtips? Or is that just the angle and they're really blended wingtips?

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 25157 times:

Looks like a 787!

Nice though


User currently offlineAirways45 From United Kingdom, joined May 2000, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 25113 times:

I'm not sure I'm with you.

The Airbus press release on 21 July announcing the order featured the new photo...

Your photo looks like an old photo that was pitched to the airline before the new A350 WXB was launched.

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...s/07_21_06_singapore_airlines.html

Are you suggesting that your 'old' photo was used since the A350 WXB was launched?

Airways45


User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 25113 times:

Note the difference around the nose and cockpit area. It looks like a bigger plane now. And the rear fuselage has got the sudden taper of the 777 and 787, which many have criticized for looks.

User currently offlineMptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 25044 times:

Looks like a B787 w/o the engine chevons. What do you want to bet that the cockpit windows will look more like A330 in 1 year? and the wingtips will look different too...

Remember the 1st version of B787 and now.....


User currently offlineBaron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 24947 times:

It is a great looking plane, well proportioned, great looking wings. And I am not and Airbus fan.

A couple of things. 1 - The wings look mighty thin to acommodate fuel for 8500nm. 2 - The wing root filet will have to get a lot fatter.



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 24718 times:

Quoting Airways45 (Reply 3):
Are you suggesting that your 'old' photo was used since the A350 WXB was launched?

That was true. Singapore Airlines had a picture of the old A350 in their press release when they announced the order. It is still there (Aug 5).

http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_U...any_info/press_release/NE_3406.jsp



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 24657 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 2):
Looks like a 787!

I second that thought.

Interesting cockpit windows, though.



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 24352 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 2):
Looks like a 787!

Are you sure that isn't a 787-10 in the picture....Boeing, quick take notes.



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12382 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 24118 times:
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Quoting Khobar (Reply 1):
Or is that just the angle and they're really blended wingtips?

They look much more like blended winglets in other Airbus renditions:






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User currently offlineGearup From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 22371 times:

Love the nose, hope they keep it on production aircraft. It's tempting to think that one aircraft is a copy of another however I think that after so many years of research into aerodynamics and the optimisation of wings/airframes/control surfaces coupled with FBW you sorta end up with very similar shapes. It makes it difficult to indentify a new design as typically Boeing, or Airbus. BTW, I assume both the 787 and A350 will be FBW, does anyone think the designs would be radically different if they used traditional controls.

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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 22343 times:

The wings look like blended winglets in this image.
Big version: Width: 193 Height: 441 File size: 38kb
A350-800 -900 -1000

Sorry it's so hard to see I scanned it in from a small section of an A350 banner.


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3134 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 22263 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 9):
Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 2):Looks like a 787!
Are you sure that isn't a 787-10 in the picture....Boeing, quick take notes.

Yes it does, but prettier.

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User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1603 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21380 times:

OMG, it's a 787!!!!!!!  Big grin


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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8195 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 21048 times:

Correction: It's an European copy of a Japanese 787 Big grin

User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1869 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 20930 times:

Everybody who thinks it looks like 787 should take Aerodynamics 101. Believe it or not, Embraer started it and guess what? Y1 and NSR will both look alike, too (given that NSR is a clean-sheet design, not A320NG).
Besides - A350s nose is different. It doesn't taper down as low as 787s. If anything, it's closer to 777s nose than 787s as far as the shape goes. The pictures of the Farnborough model show it. Also, 787 has a nicer tail.



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User currently offlineJam747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 550 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 20695 times:

I think the A350 looks great, hope it stays like that. The 787 original design I think looked better than the latest 787 design. These designs reminds me of car concepts. The concepts often look better than the production model.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9712 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 20663 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 15):
Correction: It's an European copy of a Japanese 787

Haha, that's a good one. I also think the A350XWB looks very similar to the 787. And yes, Embraer started designing with this nose type with their ERJ-170/190 introduction.

Quoting Gearup (Reply 11):
Love the nose, hope they keep it on production aircraft. It's tempting to think that one aircraft is a copy of another however I think that after so many years of research into aerodynamics and the optimisation of wings/airframes/control surfaces coupled with FBW you sorta end up with very similar shapes. It makes it difficult to indentify a new design as typically Boeing, or Airbus.

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User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1709 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20538 times:

From those computer drawings, I get the feeling that the fuselage will be au double-elliptical shape... With, maybe, the base of the former, typical Airbus shape, with a heigtened and widened crown.

User currently offlineKSUpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20302 times:

Quoting Jam747 (Reply 17):
The 787 original design I think looked better than the latest 787 design. These designs reminds me of car concepts. The concepts often look better than the production model.

I agree. I have two posters up in my room, one the current 787 and the other a two page ad from FI of the old 787 (back when it was still the 7E7) I really like both designs, though the old nose did make it easy to ID. I just didn't like the windows...they looked stretched out.

I guess when you are designing two aircraft in the same class they are going to look alike. The only reason the 747 and A380 differ is because well, they are different in terms of the upperdeck. But just do a google search for MD-12 (a full upperdeck, like A380) and it looks very much like the A380. I like the look of the new noses. It looks even better on small aircraft like the E-170 and E-195.


User currently offlineMiamix707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 19730 times:

Booring... it does look very simlar to the 787, but with less character. The engines on these new twins look oversized compared to the plane.

User currently offlineBillReid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19618 times:

Lets have a drawing contest????
I think this looks like the Boeing aircraft that didn't make it to production, the mach .98 aircraft.
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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4858 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19618 times:

Quoting Airways45 (Reply 3):
The Airbus press release on 21 July announcing the order

What order? The last I read was that they had a MOU.


User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19438 times:

Quoting Miamix707 (Reply 21):

Before you talk oversized re: the A350 model, go take a peek at a 777 again and refresh your memory on oversized engines vs. fuselage... Then look at a 737-200... ALL engines today are enormous.


25 FlyDreamliner : ..a matter of opinion, but to me, it kind of looks like the lovechild of a 777 and a 787. Ok, c'mon. To be fair the JT8D's on 732 are extremely long,
26 MIAMIx707 : lol ok thanks but don't need to since the huge engines/smallish tail, are the main reason the 777 is not my favorite plane looks wise, although 90% o
27 KSUpilot : The wings look a bit less curvy than the 787s...then again Boeing could be doing that for artistic effect. In some of the new pictures the wings are n
28 BlueSky1976 : Actually, the way wings bend on 787s renderings are pretty close to the way they will bend in real life. If you'll watch a 777 take off, or A330 for
29 Lehpron : I don't get these top-view pictures, some people who will be seeing these airplanes, especially airlines employees, will at most see them from the sid
30 Post contains images LTU932 : They remind me more of the winglet-ish devices Jet Engineering has introduced for the MD-80 along with the Hushkits for Chapter 4 (Stage 4) noise com
31 ZRH : I don't think 90%. Of course the 777 is an absolute excellent aircraft but looks wise it is utterly ugly. For me it looks like an plump, fat sausage.
32 BA787 : I thought that when I saw it, that is a beautiful plane, dare I say it I prefer it to the 787 (shock horror) Renders my name damn pointless, can I ch
33 RAPCON : Imitation is the highest form of flattery. That's a mighty fine copy A!!!
34 LY777 : sorry but it is a pale copy of the 787.Airbus, try to have some imagination!!!
35 AirRyan : Best looking flight deck window for any AirBus aircraft bar-none. Will the A350XWB not use the same GEnx level of technology engines and how can it co
36 TWPHIL : Must admit...Sorry Airbus....Really looks like a 787 !.. Nice looking anyway..
37 BladeLWS : The 787's ugly brother...
38 Khobar : Indeed, very similar. Thanks.
39 MotorHussy : They do look similar - the A350XWB and the 787 - much in the same way as cars in the early to mid nineties started evolving into the same (optimum) sh
40 Post contains images WingedMigrator : Yeah! And they already got rid of the shark tail!!
41 474218 : Does anyone really think that the curved flight station windshield will make it to production?
42 N766UA : Wow, for the first time it's difficult to distinguish between an airbus and a boeing! Best looking design from airbus by far, although does look a who
43 EBJ1248650 : I'm inclined to agree the cockpit windows will need to change. They look odd as it is and I have to wonder how efficient they are so far as the crew
44 BA787 : You can call the A350 many things (copycat, mimicker) but you cannot call it ugly! Tom
45 ZRH : I don't understand everybody complaining about the look of the aircrafts. Aircraft companies (Boeing, Airbus etc) do not built aircrafts to please yo
46 RedChili : This is true, of course. But the average a.netter is not an aerodynamics engineer but an aviation enthusiast and a plane spotter. As a plane spotter,
47 Mptpa : Because of the higher-by-pas ratio of the current turbofans
48 MIAMIx707 : Brother that comes down to taste again. The 777 is not "ugly" either and is more interesting and "muscular" than a 332. Actually I don't think any je
49 Agill : Sadly enough a large part seem to be cheerleaders for one specific brand of airplanes.
50 BillReid : Absolutely CORRECT! I can draw an aircraft in my basement, which doesn't make me a design engineer. I fear this is a smokescrean from Airbus. The pro
51 Post contains links and images Astuteman : AFAIK, Bill, the price and range of all the A350X family have been fully published, and extensively discussed on this forum. Likewise, given the weig
52 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Those are really wise words! Thanks for stating the obvious to the average a.netter, yourself included. While the efficiency of aerodynamics is obvio
53 Singaporegirl : is it true that the reason the company went for the 359xbr is because the proposed 787-10 has shorter range? thanks for the input.
54 Trex8 : the 787-10 details so far made public are that it will have the same MTOW as the 787-9 - 245tonnes, so it will have less range (about 1800km) than a 7
55 Post contains images Johnny : Well done Airbus! That airplane looks way better than the original A350-versions and also looks a lot better than the B787. THIS airplane is in one li
56 VH-BZF : It's a nice looking bird & if she does everything that Airbus have forecast then they maybe sitting on a real winner? However they are very late to th
57 KrisYYZ : Im really trying to give Airbus some slack here but the new pics are way too B787ish. Interesting how Airbus releases these pics right after Boeing pr
58 Post contains links Shamrock350 : They are still only MOUs so maybe SQ are trying to get a better deal out of A or B? SQ might see the two aircraft doing different jobs for the them a
59 VH-BZF : Oh thats right the A330 lease is to compensate for the A380 delays & obviously to tie them over until the A350xwb's arrive! BZF
60 Post contains images David L : Sorry but... what are you talking about?
61 RedChili : Qantas has already ordered the B787, so there's no need to speculate on what Qantas will do. Firstly, you have to remember that they are not exactly
62 EI321 : The A330 has lower CASMs and airbus probably gave SQ cheap lease rates to secure their A350 order. The difference between the earliest availible slot
63 CV990 : Hi! I remember many years ago everytime the Soviet Union would come out with a new airplane ( Tupolev, Ilyushin, Antonov, etc. etc.... ) people would
64 DAYflyer : Yes indeed. Airbus has copied the 787 in appearance. Now if it only had a composite fuselage......
65 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Hi CV990... ...while the A380 is a technological marvel...it does look strikingly close to the MD-12
66 Ikramerica : No matter how much you whine or put people down for saying so, it looks like a 787 anyway.
67 CV990 : Hi! Ikramerica, yeah, the A350 really looks like the 787, specially on the cockpit widows!!! And maybe other things...that's why SQ ordered it!!! I th
68 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : They do if compared to the 7E7 or early 787 but the final design for the cockpit windows on the 787 are not very similar. They are both good looking
69 Areopagus : It does look nice. People have been saying these designs crib from the Embraer 170, but to me they harken back to the Comet. That picture you linked
70 Shamrock350 : Too bad! They look cool, specially from the front because of the way the window slopes down.
71 MIAMIx707 : Everybody knows the Soviets tried to copy everything but those planes are super original compared to the A350! lol and.. don't lie to your brother. A
72 David L : After all the bickering in previous A v B discussions, you call that "whining" and "putting people down"?
73 CV990 : Hi! MIAMIx707, saying something like you said "Everybody knows the Soviets tried to copy everything....." I suggest you should buy some books regardin
74 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Hi, CV990, the soviets didn't just copied the B29 exactly, also copied the Shuttle (Buran), and used to copy everything else that moved. Thanks for yo
75 Lehpron : I feel like hitting some people in here, but then it would only be thier fault if they knew they were being ignorant, that they only care about how it
76 Post contains links and images Heavierthanair : G´day CV990, may I correct you in as much as the TU134 was more likely a copy of the Sud Aviation Caravelle. The DC 9 was in itself a copy of the Car
77 Post contains links Boeing7E7 : Looks like this too from the tail... http://www.bombardier.com/en/3_0/3_8/img/gr_c110_3view.gif
78 RedChili : The Russians made design studies already in the 1960s, many years before the American shuttle was built, where the Buran was one of the favored alter
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