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Why Did NW Choose The A319 & 320?  
User currently offlineMSPGUY From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10243 times:

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But why Did NW choose Airbus over Boeing?


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User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4795 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10219 times:

I can't give you the exact reason, but remember that this decision was made back in the 1980s. The A320 was quite a bit more capable than the Boeing competition at the time, the 737-400 which couldn't be used on long transcons.

User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10171 times:

It was the best jet available at the time to start replacing 727s and DC-9s. It's exceptionally economical, pretty reliable, and offers a comfortable cabin. When compared to 737-400 and MD-80, it's really not hard to see, A320 is in a league above those both. I'm pretty sure they'd have bought the A320 even if 73G had been out at the time, given NW's general satisfaction with airbus lately. Airbus losing the A350 against the 787 really surprised me.

Short and simple, the A320/319 did everything they could have ever asked for, nothing else available came close.



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User currently offlineBaron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10112 times:

Because as a new entrant Airbus fought hard for the order and likely gave them a good price and a good support package to break into the US market.

I'm amazed how everyone in this forum forgets the importance of price in these transactions particularly when oil was cheap at $15/bbl in the late 80s.



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10094 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 2):
I'm pretty sure they'd have bought the A320 even if 73G had been out at the time, given NW's general satisfaction with airbus lately.

Northwest had no experience with Airbus and plenty of experience with Boeing when they placed that order, it's quite likely that they would have chosen the 737NG if it had been available. Of course, no one can say for sure. I'm not sure how their current satisfaction with Airbus would have anything to do with their choice of the A320 series unless they could look into the future and see how well they'd work out.



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User currently offlineMaxQ2351 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10085 times:

Quoting MSPGUY (Thread starter):
But why Did NW choose Airbus over Boeing?

Boeing's arrogance.

Mind you, this is coming from someone is is ultra-radicalist pro-Boeing!! Boeing had NWA on the line for a large order of 737-300's and 737-400's. However, Boeing was so convinced that NWA would not go out on a limb, and order planes from the relatively young company of Airbus, that they refused to negotiate on price. So, NWA ended up ordering the A-320 over the 733 and 734. Just as a quick note, the A-319 order came quite a bit after the original A-320 order.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 2):
I'm pretty sure they'd have bought the A320 even if 73G had been out at the time, given NW's general satisfaction with airbus lately. Airbus losing the A350 against the 787 really surprised me.

What makes you so sure??? When NWA first got the A-320, they were pretty unhappy with them. At the time, my family and myself were living in San Diego, and my dad was having to commute to MSP/DTW. The 727's did better out of San Diego than the original A-320's did.......as far as weight limits and performance went. The A-320 was a miserable plane at the time, and commuters (and the company) hated it. On a hot day, SAN-DTW flights were being weight limited to maybe 80 people and 100 bags.

Current satisfaction??? I think NWA is still kicking themselves about getting the A-330 over the 772ER. The A-330 is not meant for TransPac's while the 772ER can do a LONG Transpac any day of the week. JFK-NRT for example, whereas the 332 is pretty much relegated to SEA-NRT. Satisfied?!?! Nah. NWA didn't want to make the same mistake twice. When was the last time Boeing under-delivered??? The 747-100.....maybe. Boeing even under-promised with the 772A. NWA may have learned from their mistakes (if I may be so bold to say), and went with the 787 instead of the A-350 rev.XXXVI

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 2):
Short and simple, the A320/319 did everything they could have ever asked for, nothing else available came close.

Again, you shouldn't be so confident in saying things like this. The 727-251/Adv........a 727 powered by the standard (bordering on underpowered) JT8D-15's, had better performance than the original A-320/211's. As for the JT8D-17R powered 727-2M7's acquired through the Republic merger.....those were leagues ahead of the original A-320/211's.

Nothing else came close???? If a 727 does BETTER, than a LOT of other planes would come close sir!!! It wasn't until NWA started receiving the A-320/212's that they started performing better than the planes they were supposed to replace anyway.....727-200 and MD-82.

Again, it is not because the A-319/320 were some stellar performers, it was because Boeing had overconfidence in themselves over winning NWA in a deal for 733's and 734's. Boeing wouldn't budge on the price, so NWA went elsewhere. If Boeing had negotiated, NWA would be flying 733's and 734's today. Boeing has learned from their mistakes, and won the NWA contract for 787's, which could have gone to the A-350 had Boeing made the same mistake twice. NWA is not a loyal Airbus customer, they just bought them because they really had no other option.

-Max


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10039 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 4):
Northwest had no experience with Airbus and plenty of experience with Boeing when they placed that order, it's quite likely that they would have chosen the 737NG if it had been available. Of course, no one can say for sure. I'm not sure how their current satisfaction with Airbus would have anything to do with their choice of the A320 series unless they could look into the future and see how well they'd work out.

No, you're right, but the service they got from Airbus up front sold them completely. Even with the A320's toothing problems, they stuck with it, and are solidly in the Airbus narrowbody fold.

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 5):
What makes you so sure??? When NWA first got the A-320, they were pretty unhappy with them. At the time, my family and myself were living in San Diego, and my dad was having to commute to MSP/DTW. The 727's did better out of San Diego than the original A-320's did.......as far as weight limits and performance went. The A-320 was a miserable plane at the time, and commuters (and the company) hated it. On a hot day, SAN-DTW flights were being weight limited to maybe 80 people and 100 bags.

Well, that under dirt cheap oil. the 727s were getting older, and burned fuel at an unholy rate. Admitted the -212's made a huge difference, and a miserable plane? the 734s are no better (if not worse) in hot and high.

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 5):
Current satisfaction??? I think NWA is still kicking themselves about getting the A-330 over the 772ER. The A-330 is not meant for TransPac's while the 772ER can do a LONG Transpac any day of the week. JFK-NRT for example, whereas the 332 is pretty much relegated to SEA-NRT. Satisfied?!?! Nah. NWA didn't want to make the same mistake twice. When was the last time Boeing under-delivered??? The 747-100.....maybe. Boeing even under-promised with the 772A. NWA may have learned from their mistakes (if I may be so bold to say), and went with the 787 instead of the A-350 rev.XXXVI

You think they are kicking themselves? Because when they ordered the A333's, they said they looked at 772ER, and said it didn't do what they needed for pacific routes, and they planned only to use it as a DC-10 replacement for translatlantic and hawaii routes, and so the cheaper, lighter A330 made more sense. I would have loved if they bought the 772ER, but for MSP and DTW to HNL and AMS, which is primarily what they do, the A333 is an ideally suited aircraft.

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 5):

Again, you shouldn't be so confident in saying things like this. The 727-251/Adv........a 727 powered by the standard (bordering on underpowered) JT8D-15's, had better performance than the original A-320/211's. As for the JT8D-17R powered 727-2M7's acquired through the Republic merger.....those were leagues ahead of the original A-320/211's.

Nothing else came close???? If a 727 does BETTER, than a LOT of other planes would come close sir!!! It wasn't until NWA started receiving the A-320/212's that they started performing better than the planes they were supposed to replace anyway.....727-200 and MD-82.

Pff, you could run what, 2 A320's on the same amount of fuel as a 722? Basically. They A320 was never as bad as you'd like to portrey it. At worst, it was roughly comperable to the 737s of the time. Once the -212's came out, it was way ahead, and NWA's gamble on airbus paid off.

My guess is if you asked NWA leadership now if they could go back and buy 737s, they'd say no.

And the buying 787s? They wanted a smaller jet, and in all honesty, Boeing has had their act much more together on 787 than Airbus has on A350 all along, and that is just more confidence inspiring. The 787 is going to do great things for NW, I'm convinced, and is going to make them the premier American airline, or perhaps the premier airline period for transpac crossings.



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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4835 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9958 times:
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Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 5):
Current satisfaction??? I think NWA is still kicking themselves about getting the A-330 over the 772ER. The A-330 is not meant for TransPac's while the 772ER can do a LONG Transpac any day of the week. JFK-NRT for example, whereas the 332 is pretty much relegated to SEA-NRT. Satisfied?!?! Nah. NWA didn't want to make the same mistake twice.

NW chose the A330 specifically because a pratt 777 was too expensive to run for the transatlantic DC10 routes they wanted new aircraft for. for transatlantic routes the A333 was perceived by NW as being perfect, the 777 way too heavy and expensive. when they ordered the A330 they had no intention of using them transpac to asia.


User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9946 times:

Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 1):
but remember that this decision was made back in the 1980s

And back then, NW had also a large order for A340-300s. This was put on hold, when at the beginning of the 1990s the airline was nearly bankrupt. Then, years later they went for the A330. Coclpit similarities must have played a role in that decision back in the '80s.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7706 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9705 times:

The first A320's in the late 1980's were ordered to replace the older 727-100's & 200's, along for domestic expansion following the merger with Republic.

The A319's were ordered in the late 90's to replace the remaining 727-200's, MD-80's, and some of the oldest DC-9's, and again for domestic expansion.


Reasons why NW went with the A320 over a Boeing aircraft:
-Improved performance versus the 733 or 734. The A320 a better fit for NW's hub structure, hence being able to reach the West Coast from DTW & MSP, despite some of the initial challenges.
-Boeing arrogance in the late 80's, believing that they had a lock on North American orders and their traditional customers, hence not willing to bargain.
-Airbus attempting to make inroads in North America, and offer attractive deals. Same reason (along with the one above) as to why AA ordered the A300 during the similar time.

Northwest is neither a dedicated Airbus or Boeing customer. They drive a hard bargain (just like they do with their labor groups.) They evaluate each suitable type and determine what fits their fleet best and which can get the best overall ecomonics and financing.


User currently offlineN867BX From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9663 times:

And the number one reason Northwest choose the A320:

The DC9 was no longer in production.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9663 times:

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 5):
Current satisfaction??? I think NWA is still kicking themselves about getting the A-330 over the 772ER.

Quite the contrary, everything I have have ever heard at NWA, is they are very happy with the 330.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9652 times:

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 5):
Current satisfaction??? I think NWA is still kicking themselves about getting the A-330 over the 772ER. The A-330 is not meant for TransPac's while the 772ER can do a LONG Transpac any day of the week.

Don't know where you pulled that one out of, but NW is very happy with the A330 fleet. The A330 was meant for transatlantic, they didn't go with the 777 because it was too large for many of the transpac flights, too heavy, and too expensive compared. The A332 is a great addition for some of the smaller cities to Asia. Again, the purpose of the A330 wasn't for trans-pacific flights, it was meant for mostly Europe.

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 5):
went with the 787 instead of the A-350 rev.XXXVI

Wrong... NW ordered the 787 because at the time airbus said they couldn't promise any commonality with the A350 and A330 flight decks, and most likely would be a seperate rating. With that, and the fact the A350 at the time would be two yaers behind Boeing's 787, and all other were the same, if not better, NW choose the 787.



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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9599 times:

Many of you guys are forgetting the basic point: purchase price.

I talked to a NW executive a few years ago (does the last name Phelka or something like that ring a bell?) who told me why NW did what they did:

The 777 was too expensive, so NW went with the A330

The then-in-design A320 was offered cheaper than the 737-400*

*By the way, NW was one of the launch customers for the A320.


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1903 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9471 times:

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 5):
I think NWA is still kicking themselves about getting the A-330 over the 772ER. The A-330 is not meant for TransPac's while the 772ER can do a LONG Transpac any day of the week. JFK-NRT for example, whereas the 332 is pretty much relegated to SEA-NRT. Satisfied?!?! Nah.

BS. NW-spec'd 777-200ER (with PW engines) range wasn't enough for their trans-pac operations and it was too heavy for their transatlantic routes. PW-powered A330-200 serves them just fine on their NRT routes from West Coast and allows them to gain ETOPS experience on the longer trans-pac runs before 787s start arriving. And yes, they are VERY satisfied with A330s. They bought them for specific missions and if they were not satisfied with them, they wouldn't place a follow-on order for A330-200s. As far as 787 order goes, at the time A350 was not competitive enough against it and NW got the launch-customer discount pricing along with superior performance and economics. If they were issuing that RFP today, with A350XWB available, I wonder if their choice would have been the same.



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User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1589 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9423 times:

Wasn't there an order for 340's before they changed it to 330's?


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User currently offlineLhrmaccoll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9350 times:

Do NW own all of their Airbii?

User currently offlineLX23 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9096 times:

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 5):
my dad was having to commute to MSP/DTW

You always know a post is going to be full of crap when the poster starts things off with what "my dad/uncle/aunt's-half-cousin-twice-removed" experienced


User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1308 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8948 times:

Quoting LX23 (Reply 17):
You always know a post is going to be full of crap

I think most of this tread is crap. Most of the posters seems to agree that the reasons for NW choosing Airbus must be the price, Boeing arrogance or no comparable aircraft available from Boeing.... BS! At the time NW ordered the Airbus planes the A320 was simply superior to the 737 and the A330 to the 767. As simple as that! And even now, when Boeing is offering the almost perfect 787 the A330 is not making a bad figure and sales figures seems to tell us the A320 is still the better narrowbody over the 737NG.



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8886 times:

Quoting N867BX (Reply 10):
The DC9 was no longer in production.

Well yeah, they don't need to build anymore, since the DC-9's never wear out and last forever, they never need to be replaced.... When the last A320NG is retired, I'll still be flying on DC-9's from MSP-JFK, lol.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 11):

Quite the contrary, everything I have have ever heard at NWA, is they are very happy with the 330.

They are extremely happy. So happy in fact that they did not delay, defer, or cancel any A330 orders despite their bankruptcy. My guess is that the 777 was bigger, heavier, and more expensive than what they needed for both Europe and Asia. It was heavier and more expensive than A330 for European routes, and it was bigger than what they wanted for Asian expansion. 772ER has range roughly equivalent to 744 according to Boeing.com, even PW powered. NW needs the 744's for inter-asian routes and DTW/MSP - NRT. For things like ORD/JFK/SEA/PDX/SFO/LAX etc. to NRT, they wanted something smaller.

Quoting Lhrmaccoll (Reply 16):
Do NW own all of their Airbii?

They've basically gotten rid of all the A320/A319's they leased at this point as part of bankruptcy, so they own their own Airbuses.



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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8780 times:

[quote=MSPGUY,reply=0]Sorry I'm new here and tried searching and gave up.

Welcome to a.net MSPGUY



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7706 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8656 times:

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 18):
I think most of this tread is crap. Most of the posters seems to agree that the reasons for NW choosing Airbus must be the price, Boeing arrogance or no comparable aircraft available from Boeing.... BS! At the time NW ordered the Airbus planes the A320 was simply superior to the 737 and the A330 to the 767. As simple as that! And even now, when Boeing is offering the almost perfect 787 the A330 is not making a bad figure and sales figures seems to tell us the A320 is still the better narrowbody over the 737NG.

What?????
Your post makes no sense whatsoever. First you call us all stupid, then you agree with our statement. And then you go and make some off-based comparisons.

You don't get it. The NW A320 decision WAS NOT up again the 737NG. The A320 was a decision again the 737-300 & 737-400, which in that case, the A320 was a far superior aircraft TO SUIT NW's ROUTE REQUIREMENTS. The current A320 vs 737NG is a tie. And NW has never considered the NG's because of their enormous Airbus fleet.

Neither aircraft is better suited or superior in all cases. It completely depends on the route structure of the airline that is obtaining the aircraft and of course economics, which is a combination of operational performance and cost of ownership/leasing.


User currently offlineCobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1029 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8579 times:

Quoting N867BX (Reply 10):
And the number one reason Northwest choose the A320:

The DC9 was no longer in production.

Good one. They have scrap 2 A320 and kept DC-9. How awful


User currently offlineBen330NWA From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 36 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8555 times:

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 15):

yes at one point NWA was supposed to take delivery of 24 A340's but that never materialized...I forgot why. The mockup of the A340 is still in the flight attendant training facilities though


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7706 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8172 times:

NW was in poor financial shape at the time in the early 90's and defered on the order of A340's. When the NW/KLM alliance took shape, NW decided to obtain low-time, good condition, 2nd hand DC-10-30's to allow them to grow their Trans-Atlantic operations.

In reality, it is probably a good thing that NW didn't end up getting those A340's, as they would be odd-balls and not fit into NW's current fleet or route structure. The DC-10's were a much better fit operationally, and obviously now they are well-suited for the A330's.


25 Post contains images Glareskin : No I didn't. I never stated that nor suggested that. I only stated that sales figures indicate that the A320 is slightly better... Don't get upset. I
26 PSU.DTW.SCE : Sales isn't a good measure to indicate which is better, plus the term "better" is very vague and not something you can accurately measure. By that st
27 Thering : The MD-80 was..
28 Burnsie28 : Right, in fact they accelerated the them and ordered more.
29 N1120A : Not particularly. At the time, the 737s could only compete on routes within a 1500-1800nm range band. That is the main reason NW went Airbus There is
30 PSU.DTW.SCE : NW held onto the MD-80's until 1999, when they removed the small subfleet from service. It made no sense to operate them in conjunction with the A320.
31 A388 : Didn't or doesn't UA fly ORD-SYD nonstop with their PW-powered 777s? I remember seeing this in a documentary about the 777 on the discovery channel la
32 Mir : I don't think so. That would be getting into 777-200LR territory there. If UA can do JFK-NRT with a Pratt 772, then NW should be able to do DTW-NRT.
33 Glareskin : For daily purposes, yes it is. No I don't, and I respect al who use real arguments. I've just read to many non-arguments. That's all there is.
34 FI642 : One thing no one here has yet to mention: A320 engine selection. Northwest went with CFM over the V2500 because of the teething problems they had had
35 Brons2 : a.net never ceases to amaze me. Can't say I've ever seen a 722 compared to an A320, but hey, whatever floats your boat. The 722 is a good performer,
36 MaxQ2351 : Or whatever you choose to disillusion yourself with!!! By the way, it was "72S", not "722". The 727-2M7's were powered by the JT8D-17R, the strongest
37 Brons2 : The 727, any version, would not be economically competitive against the A320-211 in today's fuel price environment. Period! Even back in the late 80s/
38 MaxQ2351 : So??? Do we always call the shots on account of optimal conditions??? Under perfect conditions, the 320, even the 320-211 will outperform the 72S. Ho
39 Post contains images JetBlueAUS : Brons2, MaxQ2351 is right. The A320 was not as stellar as NW first thought when they ordered them. Infact, the A319/320 was supposed to replace the r
40 Post contains images Nitrohelper : I heard from a guy who works in the coffee shop at MSP where the NWA people stop, and give out corporate financial information, that Airbus has a punc
41 FlyDreamliner : Yeah, I miss the old 727's ability to make up for delays once in the air. I suppose the 757 has got some speed left above cruise, but with today's fu
42 Nudelhirsch : With that amazing economics of the 72S, the 737 sure was not needed and was outdated on launch day... Good to know...
43 MaxQ2351 : NWA has never owned a A-320/100. They have the A-319/113, A-319/114, A-320/211, A-320/212. Granted....however some planes do better than others. All
44 Swissy : So you are talking about SAN only?? There are many restriction for aircrafts at any given time with certain airports, NW was looking at whole picture
45 Steeler83 : Thanks for the info man! very informative No argument from this corner!!
46 Post contains images Nitrohelper : When I lived in Eagan the saying was ,"Duluth has two seasons,Winter & 4th of July" Where do they work on the DC-9s? I heard NW might replace them ?
47 FlyDreamliner : My mistake, I was thinking the 211's. Sorry. There is a reason 757s are popular planes to fly into SAN on transcons. My point was, the 737-400 was no
48 MSPGUY : thanks everyone I apperciate the info!!!! Brian
49 MSYtristar : Better in what way? Because the last time I checked, a 73G can outperform an A32X in terms of cruising altitude, cruising speed, and range. Oh yeah,
50 FlyDreamliner : Exactly. In some cases, the A320 is a better aircraft, in others the 73G. It's a matter of what they are needed to do, and in most aspects, they comp
51 WN230 : For the same reason (probably) that UA purchased them . . . because they were superior to the 733 and 734.
52 Kappel : I thought it was because of the failure of the superfan engine design? More airlines cancelled or converted orders because of that.
53 Swissy : 100% right and that is why some airlines have a mix of 37 & 32 and WE wonder and question us why do they do that???...... Cheers,
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