DTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1465 posts, RR: 2 Posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7078 times:
While reading so many threads that have Northwest going under or being bought out and picked apart by other airlines, I want to look on the positive side for a bit.
Northwest is scheduled to be the first North American carrier to put the 787 into service in August 2008. What I am wondering is this. Where will NWA fly the 787?
The DC10 will be out of service in early January 2007 so it will not be directly replacing them. Will they be replacing some of the 330's on the Trans-Atlantic or Pacific routes? Maybe replacing the 757-300's that they are currently using from the west coast to HNL? Does anyone think we'll see the return of widebody domestic service at NW like we had with the DC10 prior to the 757-300 arriving?
My fingers are crossed that Northwest gets through their current financial difficulties and we'll be seeing these great new birds landing at DTW just 2 years from now.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6422 times:
Look for NW to use the 787s to open long thing routes from DTW and MSP to Asian cities.......NW will take advantage of the range and economics of the 787 to open new routes that couldnt economically been flown in the past. We could also see a few new routes from SEA to Asian cities if everything goes well for NW.
The A330s are not going anywhere....they are NW's transatlantic airliner and will be used to fly existing and new routes from NW hubs to Europe. The A330s will also find their way to Hawaii once the DC10s are retired, on the MSP-HNL and seasonal DTW-HNL routes. The 753s are great for the WestCoast-Hawaii services; low operating costs and the right amount of seats for these flights.
The big question is what is NW going to do with its SEA-NRT/PDX-NRT/SFO-NRT routes.......will they remain with A330s, or will NW eventually get 744s back onto these flights once they (and their banks and leasing companies) determine exactly how many 744s will remain with NW. NW had has various 74s in and out of storage in the past year.....the A332s seem small for the NRT routes.....or is that the idea, less seats mean higher yeilds?
DTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1465 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6356 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 18): The A330s will also find their way to Hawaii once the DC10s are retired, on the MSP-HNL and seasonal DTW-HNL routes. The 753s are great for the WestCoast-Hawaii services; low operating costs and the right amount of seats for these flights.
The 330's are taking over MSP-HNL on January 8
There is no DTW-HNL seasonal service at this time
What I'd like to know is will we see some widebody domestic return? Perhaps DTW-LAX, DTW-SFO, DTW-SEA, DTW-PHX and other routes we used to have the DC10 flying until the 40's were retired from service. Would be nice to see A330 or 787 on those routes.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6343 times:
Quoting DTW757 (Reply 19): What I'd like to know is will we see some widebody domestic return? Perhaps DTW-LAX, DTW-SFO, DTW-SEA, DTW-PHX and other routes we used to have the DC10 flying until the 40's were retired from service. Would be nice to see A330 or 787 on those routes
The 753s are ideal for the routes that you mentioned.....dont count on widebody service returning unless NW, for schedule purposes, needs to move an airplane from a hub to a west coast city on a regular basis. Frequency is in, big airplanes are out, on US domestic routes. Also, too many seats kill yeilds.....and NW is not going to "waste" one of their valuable widebody airplanes on a domestic route, the 757s can handle those missions.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7179 posts, RR: 29 Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5936 times:
The 787 will primarily be for Asia flights. They will not be used across the Atlantic.
What will happen is that the 787 will be used to open up new routes to Asia, plus reallocate the 744's & A330-200's used both within Asia and across the Pacific. Once the DC-10's are retired over the next 6 months, additional 744 capacity will be used to backfill capacity in the Pacific. The 787 will be used in some cases to move some of the A330-200's off the Pacific and allow NW to use them on European flights that are too thin for the A330-300. (like the MSP-CDG flight)
25 Centrair: Many of the routes posted are great. I would not be surprised if NW tries to go head to head with PAL's recent expansion plans and launch their own No
26 Coronado: I think a MSP-HKG was close to fruition using a 744, when all plans were put on hold following 9/11 Considering the O&D demands of Target and Best Buy
27 FlyDreamliner: Yep, they let NW run flights that wouldn't be economical on the 744 - and in doing so, free up a few 744s (like the one previously on JFK-NRT) for us
28 Centrair: It was not just planned it was initiated and operated before 9/11. It operated I believe until 1999 or so. I remember a friend flying it and it being
29 AADC10: They may have some new flight to Asia that will bypass NRT but long thin routes with a very expensive new plane is not very likely unless they expect
30 LPLAspotter: A questoin to everyone out there: If the 787 is a 767 replacement can it still be operated economically on short routes. For example BA uses their 76
31 Dutchjet: I think you are off base here......the 787 is all about long thin routes and the ability to operate them profitably. Boeing decided to develop the 78
32 LPLAspotter: Thought that flight did a tech at HNL or GUM. Correct me if I'm wrong. LPLAspotter
33 Norjet: In this discussion we all implicitly agree that NWA would be retaining its fifth-freedom network out of NRT - which makes complete sense. However, a s
34 TVNWZ: With all the Japanese companies around Nashville, Ten.,Ky, Al, I would imagine a flight would do well. Are the connections to DTW too good that MEM i
35 EVA777SEA: SEA might be able to support larger aircraft than the 787-8 on a China route. Where would the feed for PHX come from? Or is it supposed to rely on O&
36 Bobnwa: Connections via DTW would be virtually the same time wise as MEM from Nashville and Alabama and most southern cities. Plus DTW has a significant edge