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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4443 times:

Hi,

I was wondering about this. I've seen a lot of photos taken in EZE of airlines putting their aircraft in remote areas after arrival to depart at night the same day. As I haven't seen this so often at airports, which other airports are known to have airlines park there aircraft for the entire day to depart at night?

I remember the following airports with the same situation:

- MIA: RG/AR flights to Brazil/Argentina.
- LAX: QF flights to Australia (3 744s were parked on remote stands for the entire day before heading back home)
- SYD: VS/BA flights to Europe.
- SIN: KL 744 (as per the very interesting thread started by fellow member HB-IWC).
- AMS: NW 333 flights to the U.S. (?)

Even so, I haven't seen an airport with so many aircraft being parked at daytime before the return flight like you see in EZE. I assume this has to do with the time difference combined with connection possibilities once the flight has arrived back home (?) This must also be very expensive to have an aircraft (especially widebody aircraft) to be "sitting idle" for so long in an outstation. I guess it is worth it (?) How much does an airline pay for a full day to park their aircraft in let's say MIA for instance?

Here are some interesting photos taken at EZE:


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Which other airports are there like EZE and so many aircraft being parked during the entire day?

A388

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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20479 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4430 times:

Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
How much does an airline pay for a full day to park their aircraft in let's say MIA for instance?

I asked a similar question here:

How Costly Is It To Park A Plane During Layover? (by AeroWesty Jul 11 2006 in Civil Aviation)

The answer depends upon airport, but it's rarely over $1000, and most often less.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4372 times:

Hey AerWesty,

Thanks for the link. I think the charges depends on the airport. Parking your aircraft at LHR or AMS will be much more expensive than EZE I would think. What I've heard is that PY pays some thousands of euros just to park their 743 on a remote stand.

A388


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4247 times:
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Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
Which other airports are there like EZE and so many aircraft being parked during the entire day?

In Brazil, both GRU and GIG. In Chile, SCL. For those airports, the market demands for high yielding, night flights and early morning arrivals.

GIG - AF, UA, AA, DL, CO, BA
GRU - AF, UA, AA, DL, CO, IB, AZ, JAL, AM

Felipe



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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4229 times:

This must also be very expensive to have an aircraft (especially widebody aircraft) to be "sitting idle" for so long in an outstation. I guess it is worth it (?)

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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
In Brazil, both GRU and GIG. In Chile, SCL. For those airports, the market demands for high yielding, night flights and early morning arrivals.

GIG - AF, UA, AA, DL, CO, BA
GRU - AF, UA, AA, DL, CO, IB, AZ, JAL, AM

Felipe

Hi Felipe, how are you doing. I totally forgot about SCL having these long stopovers as well. I wasn't aware of GRU and GIG also receiving these long daytime stopovers. Thanks.

A388


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4057 times:
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At JNB, virtually all the European carriers, except KL, park their aircraft during the day, with some Asian carriers like SQ and CX parking about half of a day.



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):

In Brazil, both GRU and GIG. In Chile, SCL. For those airports, the market demands for high yielding, night flights and early morning arrivals.

GIG - AF, UA, AA, DL, CO, BA
GRU - AF, UA, AA, DL, CO, IB, AZ, JAL, AM

Felipe

I also remember the reverse...the Varig Star Alliance MD-11 parked at the not-yet-completed J-Concourse at Miami was a site to see...unfortunately, that plane will likely never use said concourse...:'(



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3918 times:
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Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 7):
I also remember the reverse...the Varig Star Alliance MD-11 parked at the not-yet-completed J-Concourse at Miami was a site to see...unfortunately, that plane will likely never use said concourse...:'(

Also at JFK, the plane use to arrive on early morning and departure at 6 / 8 PM.
To Europe, it's not so bad as the planes arrive on the end of morning or afternoon.

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
Hi Felipe, how are you doing. I totally forgot about SCL having these long stopovers as well. I wasn't aware of GRU and GIG also receiving these long daytime stopovers. Thanks.

I'm fine and you ? Yes, some cases like DL you can see a plane during 14 hours at GIG.

Felipe



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25049 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

LAX always gets a nice line up of Qantas 747s.

Smartly however Qantas recently started leasing a hangar and does work on its aircraft during the long layovers.


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User currently offlineNateDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

What a huge waste of resources.

It would be nice if we could get rid of the protectoinist cabotage rules and prevent perfectly good airplanes from going unused for hours...



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7566 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
In Brazil, both GRU and GIG

Yes, as Felipe mentions, GRU is a great place to spot widebodies from faraway countries during the day, as they wait for the evening to arrive. You can see planes from AA, DL, CO, UA, AM, AC, JL!



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User currently offlinePogo From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3734 times:

Air Seychelles have an almost 24hr turnround at LHR, B767 comes in thursday night 21.45 and departs friday approx 21.20.


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3684 times:

Quoting Pogo (Reply 12):
Air Seychelles have an almost 24hr turnround at LHR, B767 comes in thursday night 21.45 and departs friday approx 21.20.

Wow, that must be very expensive to have your aircraft parked at LHR for so long. I guess it is worth it...

A388


User currently offlineBobg From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Parking at JNB is free for the first four hours and then a fixed fee for every 24 hours thereafter. So parking for 04:01 hours or 23:59 hours wouild cost you the same!

User currently offlineCardiffairtaxi From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

LHR has South African Airlines,Quantas staying most of the day.
SAA usually arrive 6-7am,and depart around 9pm.
I think usually 2x 747/4`s and 1x 340/600.


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

Quoting Cardiffairtaxi (Reply 15):
Quantas

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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3503 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
- AMS: NW 333 flights to the U.S. (?)

I don't think so. I flew an NW A333 between Seattle and Amsterdam about a year ago (SEA-AMS-HEL-AMS-SEA), and the flight arrived from Seattle in the morning and left Amsterdam before noon. I don't know when the other AMS-U.S. flights operate, but I didn't see any NW aircraft that weren't parked at a gate at AMS.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22847 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 10):
It would be nice if we could get rid of the protectoinist cabotage rules and prevent perfectly good airplanes from going unused for hours...

Would you care to suggest tags from EZE or SCL?



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 10):
It would be nice if we could get rid of the protectoinist cabotage rules and prevent perfectly good airplanes from going unused for hours...



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):
Would you care to suggest tags from EZE or SCL?

Or JNB/CPT for that matter. Although there was a plan at one stage for QF to use BA aircraft on the ground in JNB to fly on to SYD, but it fell through because of the SA-Australia bilateral, or something.


User currently offlineAUA747 From Aruba, joined Jul 2006, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3318 times:

Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
MIA: RG/AR flights to Brazil/Argentina.
- LAX: QF flights to Australia (3 744s were parked on remote stands for the entire day before heading back home)
- SYD: VS/BA flights to Europe.
- SIN: KL 744 (as per the very interesting thread started by fellow member HB-IWC).
- AMS: NW 333 flights to the U.S. (?)

- AMS:CX (half day)
- EWR: LY (10hr)


User currently offlineNateDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3276 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):
Would you care to suggest tags from EZE or SCL?

Since Chile and Argentina don't have many large cities outside the capital, there is probably not a big domestic market. Cordoba maybe?

If we really had a free market in international aviation, there are plenty of places that a US airline could fly. Look at CO's IAH-EZE schedule. The 762 arrives at 9:20 and leaves at 21:50. That's 12h30m just sitting there. I don't know any airline's costs, but this seems wasteful. If they were allowed to fly any route, I would think that airlines would come up with something. LAN's 763s don't sit on the ground all day, they fly in South America. From EZE, an airline would have time to make it to SCL, GIG, GRU, ASU, MVD, etc and have plenty of time to return to the US.



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