Bucks918 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 68 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 21082 times:
First they asked if there were medical professionals on board. There was commotion in the back galley. Then the pilots bat turned and dove into PIT. We disembarked, waited an hour, and they made the announcement that the woman passed away. We got underway an hour later, and they said they would make arrangements for anyone uncomfortable about going back on the plane.
Falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5886 posts, RR: 28 Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 20862 times:
There was a rather long thread about this not very long ago, it was rather interesting. I guess it happens periodically. I have never been on a plane where anybody died and neither has anyone I know. Would make a good story to tell my friends though.
Lnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1590 posts, RR: 16 Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 20830 times:
Quoting Bucks918 (Reply 3): I thought it would be big news, but I can't find it anywhere. Does this happen more often than I think.
Well, people passing away every day isn't big news.. I'd imagine that it wouldn't be big news for an airplane either.. Planes divert every day.. and people are going to die on flights, probably more frequently than we are aware.
CentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 20786 times:
Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 5): Well, people passing away every day isn't big news.. I'd imagine that it wouldn't be big news for an airplane either.. Planes divert every day.. and people are going to die on flights, probably more frequently than we are aware.
While this is true, it is quite sad. I feel bad for everyone on board, I don't think I wouldn't have been able to continue on for a few more hours!
Nothing is being reported on www.wpxi.com or WPXI TV PITTSBURGH
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PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8770 posts, RR: 42 Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 20605 times:
I've had a medical emergency in a flight as well. . dunno if the woman passed away, but when they carried her to the back of the plane she was unconscious. It was on a DL 764 ATL-MIA. Once we landed, at MIA as we were almost there anyway, with declared emergency landing, priority and all, we pulled up to the gate but remained onboard for another 20 minutes or so until the paramedics arrived, only then to deplane before the poor woman. . . I still wonder how she ended up. . .
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Midway2airtran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 20411 times:
Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 9): Technically no one ever dies on the aircraft. They are pronouced dead once taken off the airplane. If they are pronounced dead on board, the airplane has to be taken out of service.
This probably is correct, as I have seen an a/c taken out of service due to a passenger death in-flight (naturally, not related to the a/c of course!).
Can somebody be pronounced dead by a medical professional onboard who is authorized to do so?
Jdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 20354 times:
When I worked in OPS in PIT we stressed to every Capt that had a medical issue on board that if the worst were to happen to not have anyone declare the person dead. We always said that nobody dies on airplanes. They only die on jetways, catering trucks or emergency vehicals. If a medical doctor or somebody declares the person dead while they are still on the A/C then the A/C becomes part of any investigation relating to the death. This could and has grounded A/C for a number of days until it is released.
Iluv727s From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 115 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19985 times:
Do the "medical professionals" get any accommodation for their services? Being a medical professional, I'd provide any assistance I was capable of providing in an airborne A/C regardless... I was just curious if they get another bag of peanuts or a WHOLE can of coke?
A lack of planning on your behalf does not create an emergency on my behalf.
TVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2282 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19578 times:
IIRC it is mostly out of service to make sure nothing aboard the aircraft, or the ventilation system, caused the death. Even though the deceased is 99 years old and has a bad ticker. If they pass they still have to rule out the airplane causing the death. No airline wants that and the subsequent possibility of a lawsuit parade. Therefore, nobody dies on board.
3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 18833 times:
Quoting Iluv727s (Reply 13): Do the "medical professionals" get any accommodation for their services? Being a medical professional, I'd provide any assistance I was capable of providing in an airborne A/C regardless... I was just curious if they get another bag of peanuts or a WHOLE can of coke?
From what I've heard, usually offered a handful of free booze miniatures "to go," another handful of drink coupons, and always a personal letter of thanks from someone at the airline a couple weeks later.
I know a physician who has been called at least 2 or 3 times, and always advised continuing to the planned destination. As a passenger, they usually want to get where they're headed on-time too. Now that they all have Medlink, I'm guessing the divert percentage is higher.
On the other side of that, my grandfather died (unofficially, of course!) in his seat before departure, on his way to visit us, delaying the flight by a couple of hours (which I only know because we called to see the on-time status a few minutes before we got the call that he'd died, I think they actually waited until he was at the hospital to call it -- remember that the paramdedics/EMTs don't want anyone to die in their ambulance either, hospitals have staffs of people to do all the paperwork).
Atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5673 posts, RR: 53 Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 18566 times:
Hmmh interesting..I was at BWI this morning, boarding a BWI-SDF-STL flight and saw another -300 heading to CMH, I wonder if that was the plane that had the woman that died on board. Sorry i missed you at BWI though!
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OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 18414 times:
Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 15): If I remember correctly the aircraft is out of service for 2-3 days. That could easily cost millions in lost revenue.
I hate to rain on anyone's parade here, but the aircraft in question was on the ground at PIT for a couple of hours (2:13), and then resumed its scheduled line of flying, obviously a tad on the tardy side..
I think it might have something to do with NTSB 830.
An aircraft accident is defined in 830.2 as "an occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight and all such persons have disembarked, and in which any person suffers death or serious injury, or in which the aircraft receives substantial damage".
How nice that the FAR/AIM was sitting on my coffee table!!! As a sidenote, a manual at an airline I worked for stated that a person could not be declared dead in flight, even by a person medically-qualified to do so.
25 Dc10s4ever: I actually also think it is a health department issue
26 Atrude777: I walked by A-4 at around 10:15am maybe a bit less. Funny...I hate when I miss A.netters! Alex
27 Bucks918: We must have come over the surrounding town to PIT airport at about 400kts at about 2000 feet before the pilot cut the speed and we bat turned into th
28 ADXMatt: Actually the number of diversions since medlink is lower.... That is why many airlines subscribe to their services and pay those fees. It is cheaper
29 OPNLguy: PIT has a NW-SE oriented runway (14-32) and three parallels oriented E-W (10L/C/R and 28R/C/L). I know your flight was expediting, but 400 kts seems
30 David L: Of course but I was just being more specific. I was just making the point that the aircraft isn't taken out of service for good (depending on the cau
31 MarkHKG: I believe that an opened Enhanced Medical Kit or Doctor's Kit is a "no go" item. You should expect no compensation whatsoever unless you want to open
32 CentPIT: haha yeah, unrealistic! I think PIT was using 28R and 32 today. 28L and 28C are used only as needed on most days that 32 is in use. If 28L and 28R ar
33 OPNLguy: Not for merely being opened, it's not. The MEL refers you to an appendix in Part 121 that lists the minimum contents required.
34 Bucks918: definately landed on 34 or 33 whatever it is
35 Steeler83: That "C" runway in the middle there, If I am taking off going towards where the old terminal was, is that 10C or 28C? The last time I took off from P
36 SlimChance: Technically, people die where they die. The place where someone checks a pulse and counts to zero doesn't matter much to the deceased.
37 MarkHKG: Medico-legally, however, people die when they are pronounced dead by a physician (or by physician proxy).
38 USPIT10L: Yep, that would be 32, the primary "south" runway. All our DL terminators landed there after about 10p. Took about five minutes for it to taxi from t
39 MattMSP767: Nicely said. When someone is dead, they are dead...bottom line.
40 Jdwfloyd: Not in the eyes of the law. Where they are pronounced dead is more important then where took there last breath. To the government you are not dead un
41 OPNLguy: It truly is... Can I ask why you find this unbelievable?
42 Analog: Is it really the official policy of OPS in PIT to have pilots fudge the official record/impede the government "investigation" into a person's death b
43 Aviacentre: As reported by the Pittsbrurgh Tribune-Review: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt...trib/news/cityregion/s_464950.html The brief article doesn't cit
44 AlexPorter: I'm surprised the flight diverted to PIT when CMH isn't much farther from where they were. By the way according to Flight Aware the flight was going 3
45 Lredlefsen: Uhhh.... sounds like "obstruction of justice" to me. (Or "opportunity knocking", if you're "Sammy the Bull" or company... "Can I buy you an Arsenic M
46 Brdcessna: My sympothies to the family, Quite impressive I must say.
47 FlyDreamliner: depending on the circumstances, yes, they can. For purposes of technicalities however, it's a pain in the ass for everyone involved. Compensation wou
48 Flyatrs: A grounded B737 costs an average USD 20 000 per day.
49 NorthstarBoy: i seem to recall from the College Level inflight services class i took donkey's years ago, it's because if someone dies on an airplane, until the pow
50 PADSpot: Depending on what you see as "cost" a B73G with 5 flights a day, 80 % load factor and 150 $ average ticket price costs more than 80,000$ a day when g
51 Ordryan28: very sad news, may the woman RIP, hopre you're not too emotionally scarred after that event... -Ryan
52 Jdwfloyd: Ah.... no, just good buisness planing. Why risk loosing the money on a grounded A/C because grandma had a heartattack on on of our flights.
53 Alaskaqantas: haha Anyways, I feel bad for this lady, I was once waiting to board a CO flight to Texas and we got delayed because a lady had to be taken off... she
54 Bh4007: Given that there are 366,144 people in the air at any one time - the population of a medium sized city, people are going to die in the air. People die
55 Gasman: It's no joke. A colleague of mine was once flying on a long haul Air India flight. Shortly after take-off the call for medical help went out, and my
56 Cpharris5514: When I worked for TSA here in DSM back in 2002-2003, we had an America West flight from EWR-PHX divert to our airport one Sunday morning for the same
57 Tcfc424: To clear up the mess about the Good Samaritan Law, doctors, paramedics, EMT's, etc. are NOT covered under that law. That law protects the poeple who h
58 Lredlefsen: Only to the point where the untrained individual is not being "grossly negligent". I might be covered performing CPR on someone, but if I decide to p
59 Kchs29418: In my 8+ years of flying as a medic onboard the old C9A domestic USAF med-evac system, plenty of folks actually died on the aircraft. However, they we
60 Ordryan28: that's terriffic analyisis...never really thought of it like that before...
61 Undehoulli: One of my friends lives in Sri Lanka. He was coming home, flying NW from NRT to MSP. Just after takeoff from NRT a passenger had a heart attack. He ha
62 We're Nuts: Just a couple days ago I was delayed on the ground at IAD for an hour because some idiot broke into my EEMK and stole a packet of aspirin. The passen
63 CentPIT: If you are taking off toward the East, then it would be 10C. Westward is 28C.
64 Cedarjet: How about that BA 747 last year where two people died?! Hardly even need to add that it was flying from Miami. Took off from MIA, someone popped off h
65 We're Nuts: Passengers just can't wait to get off BA flights?
66 Don81603: The only person who can officially pronounce a person dead is a qualified licenced medical examiner (coroner). I happened upon a very bad accident onc
67 Jjbiv: Wasn't there a closer (offline) airport this flight could have diverted to if this woman was in such grave condition? Does an airline have an obligati
68 MarkHKG: Again, the applicable Federal law states, "An individual shall not be liable for damages in any action brought in a Federal or State court arising ou
69 Centrair: Something to think about. 9500 people die per day in the USA. 6.59 per minute 238.9 million passengers flew from January to April. That is 1,990,833 p
70 Vfw614: Except that the group of those people that will be flying the next day differs quite a bit from the group of folks who will call it quits tomorrow...