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Fairly Significant Expansion By UA At IAD!  
User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8207 times:

I gotta say, this blindsided me totally, until I looked at the schedules:

Note: Compares August 10th, 2006 to December 14th, 2006, both Thursdays:

ABQ: Begins service, 1x 320
ALB: Add 1x ER4 (now 5x ER4)
ATL: CR7 downgraded to CRJ (now 3x CRJ, 1x E70)
AUA: Loses Thursday service (was 1x 320)
AUS: Add 1x CR7 (now 3x CR7)
BDA: Loses Thursday service (was 1x 320)
BDL: Add 1x ER4 (now 2x ER4, 1x CR7, 1x E70, 2x 733)
BHM: Begins service, 1x CRJ
BNA: Add 1x CRJ (now 2x CRJ, 2x ER4)
BOS: Both CR7's upgraded, one to a 735, one to a 733; one 319 upgraded to a 320 (now 2x CRJ, 2x ER4, 1x 735, 3x 733, 1x 319, 4x 320)
BUF: Add 1x ER4 (now 5x ER4)
CAE: Add 1x ER4 (now 4x ER4, 1x CR7)
CHS: Add 2x ER4, one CR7 downgraded to a CRJ (now 4x CRJ, 2x ER4)
CLT: Add 1x CRJ, one CR7 downgraded to a CRJ (now 2x CRJ, 3x ER4)
CMH: Add 2x ER4 (now 6x ER4)
DAY: Add 1x ER4 (now 4x ER4)
DEN: Drop the 752 and the 763, 1x 733 upgraded to a 319, all 3 320's downgraded to 319's (now 1x 733, 5x 319, 2x 777)
EWR: Add 1x ER4 (now 1x CRJ, 6x ER4)
GRU: Add 1x 763 (now 2x 763)
GSO: Add 1x CRJ (now 3x CRJ, 2x ER4)
GSP: Add 1x CRJ (now 5x CRJ)
IAH: Add 1x E70 (now 2x E70)
JAX: Downgrade both CR7's to CRJ's, add 1x CRJ (now 5x CRJ)
JFK: Add 2x CRJ (now 7x CRJ)
KWI: Begins service, 1x 777
LAX: Add 1x 319, downgrade both 752's to 320's, downgrade the 763 to a 319 (now 6x 319, 2x 320, 1x 777)
LGA: Downgrade the 752 to a 733, upgrade 1 CRJ to a 735, add 1x 735 (now 5x CRJ, 2x 735, 1x 733)
LHR: Upgrade 1x 777 to a 744, drop 1x 763 (now 1x 763, 1x 777, 1x 744)
MDW: Loses service (was 2x CR7)
MHT: Add 1x ER4 (now 4x ER4)
MSY: Add 1x 735, downgrade 320 to a 733 (now 1x 735, 2x 733)
MUC: Upgrade 763 to a 777 (now 1x 777)
MYR: Drop 1x E70 (now 2x CRJ)
NRT: Begins service, 1x 777
OAK: Drop 1x 320 (now 1x 319)
ORD: Downgrade both 733's, 2 752's to 735's, downgrade 777 to 319 (now 4x 735, 3x 319, 1x 752, 1x 763)
ORF: Drop 1x ER4, upgrade both CR7's to E70's (now 3x CRJ, 1x ER4, 2x E70)
PHX: Downgrade 320 to 319 (now 1x 319)
PUJ: Begins service, 1x 320
PVD: Add 2x CRJ (now 2x CRJ, 4x ER4)
PWM: Downgrade 2 CR7's to CRJ's (now 2x CRJ, 2x CR7)
RDU: Add 1x CR7 (now 1x CRJ, 4x CR7, 2x E70)
ROC: Add 1x ER4 (now 5x ER4)
RSW: Begins service, 1x E70
SAN: Downgrade the 752 and one 320 to 319's (now 2x 319, 1x 320)
SAV: Downgrade 1x CR7 to CRJ (now 4x CRJ)
SEA: Downgrade 752 and 763 to 319's (now 2x 319, 1x 320)
SFO: Downgrade 3 752's to 319's, downgrade 777 to 763, add 1x 319 (now 6x 319, 1x 320, 1x 752, 1x 763)
STT: Begins service, 1x 320
SYR: Add 1x ER4 (now 5x ER4)
TPA: Add 2x 32S (now 5x 32S)
TUS: Begins service, 1x 319
TYS: Add 1x ER4 (now 4x ER4)
YHZ: Downgrade E70 to ER4 (now 1x ER4)
YYZ: Add 1x ER4 (now 5x ER4, 1x E70)

Overall, a 10.8% increase in total flights (from 296 to 328) and a 5.3% increase in total seats (from 26021 to 27391)


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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1374 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8193 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
KWI: Begins service, 1x 777

Very much anticipated on this side of the globe...


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8079 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
LHR: Upgrade 1x 777 to a 744, drop 1x 763 (now 1x 763, 1x 777, 1x 744)

UA 744's are quite welcome at LHR Big grin

Glad to hear MUC is to get the 777 from IAD

Nice to see KWI added to the network, although I must say I was surpised, I would have thought DXB would be introudced first  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8043 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
Nice to see KWI added to the network, although I must say I was surpised, I would have thought DXB would be introudced first

I believe that flight is military-related...



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User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 777 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8024 times:

Ay news on DUB getting service from UA? From next summer they will be the only major US carrier not flying to Ireland and there will be still no flights to Washington, surely an easy seat filler for UA?


Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineLH417AF025 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7979 times:

its a smart move... the amount of money they are passing on to partners via codeshare flights in europe is crazy.

it is a superb business move in my opinion.

mad props to SHUpirate for doing all of that work, it must have taken you a long time, but it is greatly appreciated!!  Smile


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1374 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7927 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 3):
I believe that flight is military-related...



Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 5):
its a smart move... the amount of money they are passing on to partners via codeshare flights in europe is crazy.

I don't think there was any question that this flight would be Military/Government related when it was first announced several months ago. My hat is off to United for taking the chance here in the Middle East and doing something no one even would have considered six months ago.

I have no doubt that this flight will be very successful and it would not surprise me to this go daily or see another US flag carrier here by next year. How about a DL JFK-KWI/DXB 777-200 3 or 4 times a week?


User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7559 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
GRU: Add 1x 763 (now 2x 763)

Surprise surprise. Could UA still belive in it's star member, or are they picking up a route that RG left behind?

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
KWI: Begins service, 1x 777

Hmm... could DXB, TLV, and other middle east cities be added to UA's network?

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
LHR: Upgrade 1x 777 to a 744, drop 1x 763 (now 1x 763, 1x 777, 1x 744)



Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
MDW: Loses service (was 2x CR7)



Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
NRT: Begins service, 1x 777



Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
SAN: Downgrade the 752 and one 320 to 319's (now 2x 319, 1x 320)

no surprise

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
STT: Begins service, 1x 320

sorry, where's STT?

Quoting EIRules (Reply 4):
From next summer they will be the only major US carrier not flying to Ireland and there will be still no flights to Washington, surely an easy seat filler for UA?

Doesn't EI fly to DC? I know both EI and AA fly to DUB from ORD, so UA on that route would probably be overkill.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32781 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7509 times:

Quoting Piercey (Reply 7):
Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
GRU: Add 1x 763 (now 2x 763)

Surprise surprise. Could UA still belive in it's star member, or are they picking up a route that RG left behind?

Nothing to do with Varig. UA has twenty-one US-Brazil frequencies, and has to make use of them of risk losing them. So during the winter months, they fly 2x IAD-GRU, which is a poor use of seven frequencies, but alas, they don't have another logical place to use them. The US DOT should force UA to use them year-round, like everybody else does, or give them up.



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User currently offlineFURUREFA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 802 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7509 times:

Quoting Piercey (Reply 7):
sorry, where's STT?

St. Thomas U.S. Virgin Islands.
Matt


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7446 times:

Quoting Piercey (Reply 7):
Doesn't EI fly to DC?

No. They had Baltimore flights until a couple of years ago though



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User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 777 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7428 times:

Quoting Piercey (Reply 7):
Doesn't EI fly to DC? I know both EI and AA fly to DUB from ORD, so UA on that route would probably be overkill.

No EI used to fly to BWI but not anymore. The closest to Washington you can now fly from Ireland is PHL and thats only seasonal



Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7428 times:

Where's PHL, MDT, ABE, PIT, SCE and AVP? It looks like you got about half the cities for that, I don't see SYR or ROC, even ALB is missing!


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User currently offlineRAPCON From Puerto Rico, joined Jul 2006, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7354 times:

Sure UA can expand; they used the Bankruptcy Court to wipeout a lot of debt, the rest they restructured, their retirement fund got dumped upon the lap of the PBCG, and were able to drive Indy Air out.

UA can expand easily....along with the cost of flying out of IAD. I can't wait until WN comes into IAD in force!!!



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User currently offlineKDCA From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7297 times:

That's great and all but IAD is just such a pain in the ass to fly through. The time from the curb to the gate is just ridiculous. As is the time from the gate to the baggage claim on the return. I really like UA but the scene at IAD with the awful C/D concourse and the people movers is just a joke.

User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7153 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 12):
Where's PHL, MDT, ABE, PIT, SCE and AVP? It looks like you got about half the cities for that, I don't see SYR or ROC, even ALB is missing!

Yeah don't see them, I doubt PIT changes.

Current PIT flights:

ORD: 7x daily (3 CR7s and 4 B733s)

IAD: 5x daily (ERJs)

DEN: 2x daily (B733s)

14 daily flights! I can't imagine UA adding another PIT-IAD freq. with the fares they charge! Unless they are going to try and scare WN from begining the route...doubt it. Nothing scares WN these days!



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7088 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 12):
It looks like you got about half the cities for that, I don't see SYR or ROC, even ALB is missing!

Huh?

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
ALB: Add 1x ER4 (now 5x ER4)



Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
ROC: Add 1x ER4 (now 5x ER4)



Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
SYR: Add 1x ER4 (now 5x ER4)


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6982 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 12):
Where's PHL, MDT, ABE, PIT, SCE and AVP? It looks like you got about half the cities for that, I don't see SYR or ROC, even ALB is missing!

I didn't list any cities that don't see any changes in frequency or equipment.



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User currently offlineSJC>SFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6853 times:

Wow, that's miserable for SFO, if those changes are representative of most days. 3 757s==>3 319s is a loss of 48 premium seats on just 3 flights. For elite heavy cities like SFO and IAD, that hurts.

On the other hand, as someone who rarely upgrades, the A319s are much nicer than the 752s. Gotta' love the row 6 bulkhead with the cutout.


User currently offlineAussieItaliano From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6788 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Nothing to do with Varig. UA has twenty-one US-Brazil frequencies, and has to make use of them of risk losing them. So during the winter months, they fly 2x IAD-GRU, which is a poor use of seven frequencies, but alas, they don't have another logical place to use them. The US DOT should force UA to use them year-round, like everybody else does, or give them up.

I think they ought to try a flight from LAX to GRU. Now that the West Coast no longer has Varig, a 763 would probably do pretty well on this route.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6732 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
PHX: Downgrade 320 to 319 (now 1x 319)

Once was a 757 downgraded to a 320 and now to a 319, should I expect an RJ in the future.  sarcastic 


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6732 times:

No more 757s IAD-SAN?? That flight is always packed and has tons of corporate types on board. They won't like the reduction of premium seats.

Looks like a huge downgrade for SAN and SEA.

To what routes will the 757s go? Seems like many cities are losing 757 flights but I don't see corresponding additions.

[Edited 2006-08-07 01:38:15]

User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6698 times:
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Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 6):
How about a DL JFK-KWI/DXB 777-200 3 or 4 times a week?

I'm no expert, but I believe longhaul service at JFK is dead. They either had to compete all the way (many flights) or not-at-all, which is what they are doing. Without the feed into JFK like AA or DL, it was destined not to work out at JFK.

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
TUS: Begins service, 1x 319

I'm not sure this service will work--just a hunch. While it would improve international service via connections at IAD, I'm not sure that there is enough traffic to support this route.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32781 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6698 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 20):
Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
PHX: Downgrade 320 to 319 (now 1x 319)

Once was a 757 downgraded to a 320 and now to a 319, should I expect an RJ in the future.

The flight currently continues onto Tucson, so with the split, the less capacity makes sense.

Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 19):

I think they ought to try a flight from LAX to GRU. Now that the West Coast no longer has Varig, a 763 would probably do pretty well on this route.

They're probably better off with a second IAD-GRU. I'd bet the yields are higher.



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User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6652 times:

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 22):
How about a DL JFK-KWI/DXB 777-200 3 or 4 times a week?

I'm no expert, but I believe longhaul service at JFK is dead. They either had to compete all the way (many flights) or not-at-all, which is what they are doing. Without the feed into JFK like AA or DL, it was destined not to work out at JFK

Read what HZ 747 wrote, he mentioned DL to start JFK-KW/-DXB, not UA. At this point, I dont think UA would respond if B6 started JFK-ORD 10x per day.



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25 Laxintl : UA's 763s cant operate any flights over 12:00hr block time as they do not have FAA required crew rest facilities. (current longest flight happens to
26 AirCop : Not in the sense that US Airways is dumping its morning non-stop to IAD. Actually I surprised that this isn't a TED flight as everything else from PH
27 Post contains images STT757 : I'm right here
28 PanAm330 : Why should UA have to compensate because US dropped a flight? Just because a flight was dropped doesn't necessarily mean it needs to be replaced. Tho
29 DTWAGENT : I noticed they are droping the B757's out of LAX. What is going to happen to United Plus service. Are they going to be adding that to the A319's and A
30 Laxintl : All of UA's fleet offers Economy Plus product.
31 Bicoastal : Do you mean "p.s. United?" That stands for premium service (3 class 757s) and is offered on all NYC/LAX and NYC/SFO flights. Looks like to me that th
32 United767 : If you are talking about Premium Service, they only run that from LAX and SFO to JFK. It was never in IAD.
33 UALFAson : I think the reference was more to the loss of first class seats with the reductions/eliminations of 757s. That was the first thing that jumped out at
34 Post contains images LH417AF025 : the reduction of seats that they can use minimiles to get into... maybe if ppl were paying for it, they would keep the capacity
35 MAH4546 : And it comes as UA adds new routes that limit the amount of hub-through traffic. For example, IAD-TUS and IAD-ABQ now have non-stops.
36 Jetpixx : Wow - they do not have flights to CLE, FLL, MCO or MIA anymore? Is this something that is recent or have these cities been off for a while? I just fle
37 UAL777UK : From DUB, UA gets quite a lot of feed from BMI into LHR. Exactly, why put a 777 on a route like that, when it can make considerable more $$ over the
38 SHUPirate1 : ABE, AMS, BGM, BRU, BTV, CDG, CHO, CLE, CRW, CUN, CVG, DAB, DFW, DTW, EZE, FLL, FRA, HPN, IND, LAS, MBJ, MCI, MCO, MDT, MEX, MIA, MSP, PDX, PHL, PIT,
39 Post contains links Laxintl : Here is the press release from today; United Airlines Boosts Washington Dulles Service by 13 Percent, Strengthens Commitment to Key Hub http://biz.yah
40 SHUPirate1 : I personally find the timings of the flights bizarre, unless United is picking up a second gate at West Palm Beach (which I can't help but doubt). Is
41 Laxintl : Not too bizarre... 3 flight a day.. 2 RON's arriving at 1934 and 2140 departing in the morning at 0730 and 0845 to IAD and ORD respectively. Even if
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