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YYZ And New International Routes  
User currently offlineGoBlue From Canada, joined Jun 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7377 times:

In the long term we are going to see more connections worldwide with Pearson, does anyone know what new international destinations are likely to be added? I would assume Dubai would be one of them for sure, and maybe some more Middle Eastern Cities. Beirut has been rumoured by AC for years.

Also, maybe with some new airlines coming in, we can get some new cities. I think there will be more US expansion in the future with AC and there new E-jets. I am hoping for more florida destinations.

I am thinking the following fron YYZ
SIN, DXB, BKK, Beirut (do not know code),

what about a vietnam connection?

Jason

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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5524 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7367 times:

Quoting GoBlue (Thread starter):

YYZ-LAX-SYD is one route that AC will be operating in 2007 from YYZ. Not sure when they are starting though.


User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7323 times:

Dxb is a possibility but i do know about SIN, BKK and vietnam would be wishful thinking. I think there was a thread where it was mentioned Air Canada was looking at YYZ-Sin as a future route.

I am surprised Lan Chile or Aerolineas Argentina does not fly into YYZ.

Other possibolities i think; Air China, Virgin, may ROyal AIr Moroc or Egyptair?



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User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7319 times:

Well it is very expensive to fly into YYZ and with all the code sharing and alliances I would not expect to many news from YYZ in the near future

Cheers,


User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7284 times:

egyptair, royal air maroc come to YUL because of the populations in Montreal would be very suprise to see RAM in YYZ... Samething for Beirut the Libanees population is very strong in Montréal...

Us expansion...wow from YYZ you can flight nonstop to any city in USA except maybe new orleans because of the hurricane of last year...

HNL? maybe
SJU? AA probably


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7266 times:

I think you will see Virgin, Emirates, Turkish, Royal Jordanian, Some Chinese carrier, and perhaps Kingfisher/JetAirways in Toronto within the next decade.

At the same time, we might some erosion of the European side from Austrian/EL AL (although not european) etc.


User currently offlineAC320tech From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7266 times:

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 4):
HNL? maybe

I dont think YYZ-HNL will come back, im sketchy of it.


User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7243 times:

Quoting AC320tech (Reply 6):
I dont think YYZ-HNL will come back, im sketchy of it.

Transat, sunquest or zoom will probably start it some day...


User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7154 times:

How about YYZ-BOM or YYZ-BLR nonstop with 787's or 772LR of AI?

Here's hoping that AC restores YYZ-DEL nonstop, and SQ comes to take Toronto's fine citizens to SIN.



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User currently offlineORDRyan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

i was thinking YYZ-IST via TK in a few years...seems like it could be a good market for TK, any thoughts?

-Ryan



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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1561 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7097 times:

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 9):
i was thinking YYZ-IST via TK in a few years...seems like it could be a good market for TK, any thoughts?

TK can already send its passengers through JFK on AA.........



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User currently offlineORDRyan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7072 times:

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 10):

TK can already send its passengers through JFK on AA.........

yeah...i guess it's tough for an airline to go into YYZ with all of the code-sharing...and they could send those pax through ORD via AA as well.

-Ryan



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User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6990 times:

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 9):
i was thinking YYZ-IST via TK in a few years...seems like it could be a good market for TK, any thoughts?



Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 9):
TK can already send its passengers through JFK on AA.........



Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 11):
yeah...i guess it's tough for an airline to go into YYZ with all of the code-sharing...and they could send those pax through ORD via AA as well.

Turkish Airlines have a ticket office in Toronto and pax fly out through YYZ on BA, KL & MP. This would be prefered then going through US Pre-clearence here.

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 7):
Quoting AC320tech (Reply 6):
I dont think YYZ-HNL will come back, im sketchy of it.

Transat, sunquest or zoom will probably start it some day...

Zoom was supposed to start this service in early 2006, but the loads were not selling so they cancelled the route before it even started.

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 5):
At the same time, we might some erosion of the European side from Austrian/EL AL (although not european) etc.

ELAL will probably be gone before year end, however OS is booming in YYZ with full loads almost every flight.


User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19212 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6974 times:

Quoting GoBlue (Thread starter):
connections worldwide with Pearson

 Wink



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User currently offlineOrdryan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6959 times:

[quote=RicardoFG,reply=12]ELAL will probably be gone before year end[/quot

what would happen on LY's ORD market if they pulled out of YYZ, also, any proof that they may indeed pull out?



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User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6832 times:

Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 14):
what would happen on LY's ORD market if they pulled out of YYZ, also, any proof that they may indeed pull out?

There have been numerous posts on a.net over the last 3 months quoting major media from israel suggesting that LY wants to pull out of Toronto based on the high landing fees and low loads. They have already cut the YYZ-LAX-YYZ route which is saving them around 1million annually.


User currently offlineOrdryan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6819 times:

Quoting RicardoFG (Reply 15):
RicardoFG

I remember reading about LY and YYZ not working out..thanks for the info tho



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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3513 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6774 times:

LY will be going TLV-YYZ-ORD-YYZ-TLV

What about AC to SGN or ICN?



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User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1725 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6631 times:

AC flies to ICN durring the summer (I think 3X per week) from YYZ already

User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6629 times:

Quoting GoBlue (Thread starter):
Beirut has been rumoured by AC for years.

That wasn't a rumour. AC applied for the route but was turned down by a far-sighted Canadian Government (an oxymoron!) on the grounds that Beirut airport was not safe.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3099 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6565 times:

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 8):
How about YYZ-BOM or YYZ-BLR nonstop with 787's or 772LR of AI?

YYZ-BOM is certainly on the cards as there is already AI and AC flying to DEL....bulk of the Indian community here is from north India....but BLR could be a good hub for the growing S.Indian population here and could provide connections to Sri Lanka and other places....yes, a thrice weekly to BLR could survive.....


User currently offlineHanginOut From Austria, joined May 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6565 times:

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 8):
How about YYZ-BOM or YYZ-BLR nonstop with 787's or 772LR of AI?

Here's hoping that AC restores YYZ-DEL nonstop

Reportedly, AC's plan is that once the 777s start to enter the fleet (and once they have the capacity they need) that YYZ-DEL will return as a nonstop, and that YYZ-ZRH will be a separate flight. There are also rumours that AC does plan on starting a YYZ-BOM flight, and that with the 787s there may even be a YVR-DEL route (but the AC insiders will know the inside scoop better than I do).

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 9):
i was thinking YYZ-IST via TK in a few years...seems like it could be a good market for TK, any thoughts?

TK is very interested and has been trying to get the route and frequency authority to make a YYZ-IST route viable, but AC has been against it up till now. Now that TK may join the Star Alliance (they have stated their intention to join) AC may change their mind and be more amenable to TK's request.



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User currently offlineOrdryan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6504 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 17):
LY will be going TLV-YYZ-ORD-YYZ-TLV

thats correct, starting end of October. the question I have been wondering is...could LY's 762's (which they are going to use on the ORD route starting oct 29 instead of the 744's) make it nonstop from TLV-ORD? i believe i heard LY has equipped their 767's with special features that make them go further than an ordinary 762. does this have any factual evidence behind it?

-Ryan



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6350 times:

Quoting RicardoFG (Reply 12):
ELAL will probably be gone before year end, however OS is booming in YYZ with full loads almost every flight.

OS is definitely booming load-wise ex YYZ, however a recent press release outlined a network realignment which would probably see the elimination of an existing route in North America. Presumably IAD or YYZ. The deciding factor will be profit and yield, and given the Pearson cost structure, I hate to say that YYZ will probably get the axe.



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6333 times:

Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 22):
i believe i heard LY has equipped their 767's with special features that make them go further than an ordinary 762. does this have any factual evidence behind it?

Just the mere fact that they can fly MIA/TLV or ORD/TLV without having to make a fuel stop. AFAIK, they are the longest range 762's currently in scheduled passenger operation.

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 19):
That wasn't a rumour. AC applied for the route but was turned down by a far-sighted Canadian Government (an oxymoron!) on the grounds that Beirut airport was not safe.

It was beyond the application stage. The flights were scheduled and in our flying packages, and were yanked one week before the first scheduled operation. The Canadian Goverment was pressured--okay encouraged by the US Government to suspend its plans. This was covered extenstively in previous posts.

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 18):
AC flies to ICN durring the summer (I think 3X per week) from YYZ already

Seasonal summer service between mid-June and late-September. AC065 - 3 times weekly.

Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 16):
I remember reading about LY and YYZ not working out..thanks for the info tho

Stanley Morais, LY's Station/Canada Manager along with the Station Managers of AF/AZ & AC's Milton, were amongst the most outspoken critics of the extortionist landing fees at Toronto-Pearson. Upon its opening both LY & AZ predicted they might very well bail from YYZ.



Above and Beyond
25 Mack8994 : I have a friend who works for CM and last year he told me that PTY - YYZ - PTY was under discussion. At the same time, I heard rumours about AC doing
26 Ordryan28 : thanks for the info, guys
27 Behramjee : YYZ-DEL nonstop with Air India with the 777-200LRs is on the cards. routing will be del-atq-yyz i.e. by passing bhx. YYZ-DXB and YYZ-BOM has been tent
28 Ordryan28 : currently PK is the only airline flying the 772LR, period. Ryan
29 AirbusfanYYZ : They used to with an A310 back in the day... along with EI, TG, IB etc. Agree with those Marc, but minus RJ and adding TP, QF, and QR Unlikely, given
30 KrisYYZ : What's so special about LY's B762's as opposed to CO or MA's? KrisYYZ
31 FLYYUL : Hi Kaz, I really cant see Tap venturing into the low yield leisure volume of Canada-Portugal. They really only serve Newark in North America, and perh
32 AirbusfanYYZ : Hmm, you're probably right about TP. QF I am guessing more as a response to AC's new YYZ service. Cheers, Kaz
33 Ordryan28 : yes, I was also wondering why LY's 762's are able to fly the longest range. does anyone care to share their knowledge about this? -Ryan
34 Jayce : This may be a longshot, but what if QF were to go non-stop on the SYD-YVR route and then tag on a YVR-YYZ run?
35 YULYMX : Why would QF in there right mind would like to Go to YYZ??? YVR OK! From Either YVR,LAX,SFO,DFW you can catch a flight to YYZ
36 Jayce : They used to fly SYD-HNL-YYZ three times a week with the 767 in addition a SYD-HNL-YVR flight that was flown four times a week. Why though, I have ab
37 2travel2know : There're rumors about future CM YYZ service, but the starting date seems to be undefined for now. There's are issues with the Panama-Canada bilateral
38 Antillus : I was just wondering whether there has been any more news about YYZ>JNB flights. Every few months there are threads with rumors about nonstops to JNB
39 YOW : I doubt it. Transat's transborder ops are minimal, ditto for Sunquest. Zoom were going to fly a weekly YYZ-HNL flight last winter, but quietly droppe
40 YULYMX : Not sure if they plain drop it or there ETOPS certification that they use to europe is enough to fly to HNL...
41 Post contains images AirbusfanYYZ : Well with that brilliant logic why does AC fly to NRT, HKG, ICN from YYZ when you can fly to YVR, LAX, SFO and grab a flight to those destinations. A
42 YULYMX : QF being from down under (Australia) doesn't care to fly PAX to Toronto... It's not New York or Chicago... Reaching YVR for them is already a filler f
43 Post contains images YULYMX : i would also and that's just my guess or wish try to utilise HNL which is less busy than LAX 3 times a week from YYZ and feed from people going to SYD
44 Vanguard : Mainly because it is NOT LAX! It's only 114 miles more too!
45 AirCanada014 : Qantas didn't fly to YYZ it was a codeshare onboard CP from HNL to YYZ.
46 FLYACYYZ : They certainly did!! One of YYZ's shortest lived operations was QF's 3 X weekly B767-300 YYZ/HNL/SYD service which alernated with QF's 4 X weekly B76
47 Post contains links and images Jayce : Yes they did. Here's proof: View Large View MediumPhoto © Darcy Stevens
48 Canuckpaxguy : Does anyone know if Etihad has begin YYZ service from AUH? I haven't seen any pics on a.net yet, but I know there was talk of service via BRU on one o
49 Thenoflyzone : Yes, Etihad started service to YYZ earlier this year via BRU. You dont see pictures of the aircraft at YYZ because it arrives and departs at night! A
50 Yyz717 : I thought the QF flights to YYZ were from LAX? They stopped when the YYZ-LAX route was picked up by oneworld partner AA.
51 StarAC17 : It would make sense to have done this but there is no way a 763 could not have made the LAX-SYD route and made money on it.
52 EddieDude : AM was planning on serving MEX-YYZ-MEX with 73W's. The flights were even loaded in the system. In the end, nothing happened... at least this year. Let
53 Yyz717 : All QF 763 skeds in LAX and SFO stopped at HNL anyway. So the routing would have been YYZ-LAX-HNL-SYD.
54 AirbusfanYYZ : IIRC this service was scheduled to start Sept. 1 or Oct. 1 Cheers, Kaz Edited for grammar.[Edited 2006-08-09 14:34:40]
55 Olympus69 : That is correct. The YYZ flight used the same flight number as the B744 flight from SYD-LAX. It was only a 763 between LAX-YYZ-LAX. This service was
56 Post contains links Jayce : According to this document, QF did in fact fly SYD-HNL-YYZ but was dropped in favour of a code share between LAX and YYZ. Qantas announced an expansi
57 Olympus69 : [quote=Jayce,reply=56]Qantas announced an expansion of its codeshare agreement with American Airlines.The expanded agreement, which comes into effect
58 CayMan : Would there be any feasibility to AC starting YYZ JNB maybe via MIA? i.e. sort of the same model they have in mind with the YYZ LAX SYD route? Would t
59 Olympus69 : I found a newsletter fom the year 2000 which confirmed your statement, Jayce. I was wrong about the flight (QF105) being routed through LAX.
60 Ctang : Any Chance of AC flying non-stop to Sydney with the 772LR?
61 N1120A : BEY would absolutely be more likely to be served from YUL. YYZ-THR, however, has been an AC wet dream for years. And New Orleans will get its flights
62 AirCanada014 : The B777-200LR range for YYZ - AKL is acceptable range do you think there is any demands for that one even if they only offer 3 or 5 flights a week?
63 N1120A : Probably not.
64 YOW : I don't think any airline will be serving BEY from anywhere anytime soon.
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