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ATA Service In CLT  
User currently offlineEwmahle From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

Whats up all,

I happened to stumble across this article from 2002 in the Charlotte Business Journal about new American Trans Air service starting that summer in 2002 with service to Chicago.

Looking at the pics in the data base for ATA at CLT it appears that they shutdown service in December 2004. Did they have low passengers number or did AA, US, and UA push them out with low competing fares to Chicago.

It has been discussed a lot on the forum before about WN entering the CLT market. Could ATA's failure be a contributing factor to their decision to stay out, among other things?

http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/stories/2002/06/03/focus2.html

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User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

CLT was actually a good station for ATA in regards to passenger loads. I think the margins might have suffered in general because of the industry struggles and ATA's bad financial shape. I think CLT now has JetBlue and USAir as their LCC's so ATA would probably not want to tackle those guys, unless the offered service to Oakland continuing on to Hilo or Hawaii  Smile

User currently offlineBonanzaAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

Airtran has taken over the MDW-CLT route. SWA probably can't get enough gates at CLT for them to start service.

Bonanza


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4078 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

Quoting BonanzaAir (Reply 2):
SWA probably can't get enough gates at CLT for them to start service.

I'd think they'd only need a couple to start up. It's not out of the question for WN to run 12 or more flights even out of a single gate daily.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23155 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 3):
I'd think they'd only need a couple to start up.

Which couple do you suggest? They certainly aren't going to pay for international gates, so unless the airport cuts them a break on the fees over at D, there's nowhere to go.

Quoting ATA767 (Reply 1):
CLT was actually a good station for ATA in regards to passenger loads.

It's interesting you say that. I flew the route several times in 2003 and 2004 (including times like Monday mornings and Thanksgiving weekend) and there were always at least 50 empty seats. I think the 738 was WAY too much airplane for the market. If the TZ 717 purchase had ever materialized, CLT would have been an ideal candidate for them IMHO.



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User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Which couple do you suggest? They certainly aren't going to pay for international gates, so unless the airport cuts them a break on the fees over at D, there's nowhere to go.

jetBlue is in D...plenty of room for SWA over there too.


User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2662 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
I think the 738 was WAY too much airplane for the market.

I think you are right about that, but ATA started the route at 3 round trips and actually took it up to 4 so I would imaginge that at some point they were getting the loads.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23155 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

Quoting Cltguy (Reply 5):
etBlue is in D...plenty of room for SWA over there too.

Any idea what B6 is paying? Perhaps the airport is giving them a break there with the intention of moving them to E-new when it opens. 190s work over there. Of course, that precludes future 320 service.



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User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

jetBlue is paying $300K per year for the gate in D.

User currently offlineEwmahle From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2348 times:

Quoting Cltguy (Reply 8):
jetBlue is paying $300K per year for the gate in D.

$300,000 for a single gate. This seems a little expensive. Especially when you you know for the first few months of ops there only getting 4 flights out a day at $94 a ticket.


How does this compare to what the other airlines pay at CLT? Am I just not that well informed on gate prices or is this high, average, low?


User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

jetBlue takes in about $300K per week in revenue on its CLT operations. So to put it in persepctive the gate lease takes up about 1/50th of the revenue.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23155 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

What does FL pay?


The message you were about to post is too short and probably not of any higher value to the topic at hand. You should think long and hard before posting a message in this forum and make it detailed and a valuable addition to the topic discussed.

Avoid posting "Me Too" messages. These are messages that are posted by people who agree to a point being discussed and post a one liner, "me too!", "Good post Jim!", "I disagree" or similar message. This takes up time as readers must sort through these messages which have no real value to the group at large. Any message containing nothing more than a line or two of text is probably not worth posting.

If you have an opinion on a topic, you should in detail express why you have the opinion and what made you come to that conclusion.

Your post should be relevant to the topic discussed.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5267 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

Airtran has basically taken over numerous routes that ATA flew out of MDW. Of course, one purpose of the Southwest/ATA deal was to prevent Airtran from really digging in at MDW, including taking a number of gates as well as ATA's slots at DCA and LGA. Despite this, Airtran is flying a number of times per day between MDW and: EWR, BOS, CLT, DFW, MSP, MCO, all of which were ATA routes. The skinny in another thread was that all those routes except DFW are doing extremely well, and DFW is doing acceptably. ATA still runs MDW-DFW, and as the incumbent may simply be what people think of first. Frankly, a lot of Chicagoans seem to like ATA.

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