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Why Was United So Cheap?  
User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1448 times:

This really bugs me: When United ordered their two class 777's, they omitted the in-seat video that every other airlines 777's have. Why? Lame desicion...Lame Lame Lame...

Anyone know about BA's two class 777's?

Also, what other airline besides UAL has PTV's on their international 767-300's? Or PTV's on a 767 at all?

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User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (14 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1339 times:

ALL international planes. Those 2 class planes are short hopping from SFO-DEN. PTV's are expencive and pointless for that flight.

User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1307 times:

They're not short hopping when they fly from the west coast to Hawaii and from ORD-HNL.....

User currently offlineChieftain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

PTV's are highly overrated and on domestic runs show little more than an endless stream of commercial advertisments anyway.

User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (14 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

Those are vacation trips. People are going on millage. Those pax want to get to Hawaii. PTV's cost a lot. They are a pain in the ass to fix, when they break. The Hawaii market dosn't need them.
They arn't making that much $$ on the Hawaiian trips as thy do on the Europe trips. Most of the people are on miles. So a lot of them ae going for free, and why should you spend more, when you arn't collecting that much?


User currently offlineAirCanadaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1294 times:

ILUV767 hit it right on the money. Why waste money and resources equipping PTVs on aircraft that will carry passengers that don't have the expectations for that kind of service?

It's called COST EFFECTIVENESS.

Pat


User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1291 times:

I have the expectations for that kind of service...and who says the people traveling for 5-9 hours don't? Just becuase they may be travelling on mileage?

User currently offlineOkforalll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

Would really like to know why Hawaii is considered a low yeild market. It takes several thousand dollars in paid tickets before you get the token trip to HNL or some other bug infested island. I expect the same service on a mileage ticket as I get on a paid ticket. Where did we get the mentality that frequent filier tickets are free? Where are you guys getting all the miles in your account without flying your but off first?

User currently offlineChieftain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (14 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

>>>Would really like to know why Hawaii is considered a low yeild market. It takes several thousand dollars in paid tickets before you get the token trip to HNL or some other bug infested island. I expect the same service on a mileage ticket as I get on a paid ticket. Where did we get the mentality that frequent filier tickets are free? Where are you guys getting all the miles in your account without flying your but off first?
<<<

It Costs tens of thousands of dollars to run a widebody to HNL, KOA, etc, money which the airline will never see. Of course its more than made up by other flights in the network, otherwise would the airlines fly to Hawaii?


User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5310 posts, RR: 61
Reply 9, posted (14 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

I agree with OKforall! Hawaii tickest are not free if you are paqing for them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeremiah Teahan



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineEK_A340 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1274 times:

I guess that they want to create a "low fare" airline.  

User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (14 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1268 times:

Of course airlines would still fly to Hawaii, you know the residents of the state need to trave too you know...as well as people who do business there.

User currently offlineAirCanadaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (14 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1259 times:

Okforall wrote:
I expect the same service on a mileage ticket as I get on a paid ticket.
------------------------

Dead wrong. You might think you expect the same kind of service, but you've missed a basic rule of economics. The truth is you are so happy to be getting a free ticket that you don't care about having a PTV enough to buy a ticket on another carrier that happens to offer PTVs on its aircraft to Hawaii.

Expectations of service go down as price go down.

United is doing it right by not equipping domestic 777s with PTVs. There's no need for them and there's no demand for them.

Pat


User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (14 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1248 times:

You said it AirCanadaSFO!

A few points to add:
- They fly you there
- You get a vacation
- You get fed
- You get drinks
- You get a free movie (free on UAL)
- You get a ride in a 777

So live with it! People that go to and from Hawaii are there on vacation! They are not going for the plane ride. They are going for the beaches, and the surfing, and the over priced food!  

Always fly U N I T E D to Hawaii, and relax at the beach!


User currently offlineChieftain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1242 times:

IFE is very annoying on domestic flights.

One commercial after another and if its not that, its 10,000 shamless promos for the airline. I mean, you're already on board...how much more enticement to you need to fly the friendly skies...[Rhapsody in Blue playing off somewhere in background]

 


User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (14 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

OOoooo...I get to ride in a 777...ahhhhhhh

Hey did United convince my boss let me have my vacation? Man they have pull.....thanks UA!

I don't know anyone who flies *just* for the plane ride (except that kid who flew to Switzerland and back without staying, for his birthday   )

Hey why don't we just remove in seat video from ALL flights..no wait..those business travelers NEED it.


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