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Spirit Airlines New ATL Service (LAS/TPA/MCO)  
User currently offlineGlobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 940 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7754 times:

Wow! Spirit has announced new nonstop Airbus service from ATL-LAS/TPA/MCO (the latter two destinations being seasonal).

My question is what are they thinking? I know that in Feb they started a daily FLL nonstop from ATL that continues to various points in the Caribbean. Does anyone know how this service is doing? It must be doing well if they are going to challenge both DL and FL. Remember that B6 tried the same thing to LGB and OAK and unfortunately for us in ATL they had to drop the service and cut their losses.


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7748 times:

Well, at least now we know where Delta is going to put all of those 777's they have on order!  Silly


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User currently offlineGlobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 940 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7729 times:

Here are the newswire links...forgot to list them:

ATL-MCO/TPA Seasonal Service
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060807/20060807005829.html?.v=1

ATL-LAS Service:
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060807/20060807005827.html?.v=1

Cheers!



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7710 times:

Spirit has done very well on FLL-ATL, but don't be fooled. Somebody announced a major Detroit expansion just a few hours ago.

ATL-MCO, however, has been planned for a while now, and bookable since May.

[Edited 2006-08-07 22:20:46]


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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4431 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7694 times:
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Jeez, all low yield highly competitive routes, that both DL and FL have high frequency on and low fares as well as connection feed. ATL-LAS also has HP/US and has feed from LAS.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7666 times:

Considering that DL, FL, and HP/US pretty much send out full flights on the route, it's almost a no-brainer flight for NK. At the same time, it's a bit of a surprise as well. If this succeeds for them, I might consider trying them out the next time I fly to Vegas.

User currently offlineClearedDirect From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7666 times:

Well as a frequent patron of the MCO-ATL-MCO route, all I can say is there is definately a demand. I think there are about 12 flights a day between MCO and ATL combining DL and FL and they are always pretty full. You can expect to pay through the nose if you book late.
Maybe this will help.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7611 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Spirit has done very well on FLL-ATL, but don't be fooled. Somebody announced a major Detroit expansion just a few hours ago.

Isn't this the last thing Spirit need to be doing? They are having a few troubles at the moment and now they are getting in a 'battle' with a far larger and stronger airline. Isn't this going to end in tears for Spirit?

Although good aircraft utilisation by Spirit - especially the LAS red eye



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7584 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 7):
Isn't this the last thing Spirit need to be doing? They are having a few troubles at the moment and now they are getting in a 'battle' with a far larger and stronger airline. Isn't this going to end in tears for Spirit?

Spirit's "troubles" are far over-exageratted. Their expansion has gone quite well with few sour spots (Turks & Caicos and Dallas). The losses lately have come from the huge costs associated with switching from an all-MD80 fleet to an all-Airbus fleet in less than two years. Those losses were inevitable.

The flights are using planes that would otherwise sit on the ground in Tampa, Orlando, or Atlanta, so it isn't a huge risk they are taking, though I question if they will be very successful.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4707 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7574 times:

Talk about a Spirit and Air Tran catfight today!

NK adds ATL to LAS TPA and MCO
FL adds DTW to FLL TPA and RSW

Each stepping on the others turf. I wish FL would step on NK's turf by adding PVD already!



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3418 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7544 times:

Looking at the schedule - it appears to be an aircraft utilization effort. The ATL-LAS-ATL is the aircraft matches up perfetly with the aircraft that arrives from FLL and otherwise would have RON'd in ATL. The MCO and TPA are clealy aircraft that would have otherwise RON'd in those cities and they are simply sending them up to ATL to fetch whatever revenue they can and back down in the morning in time to go to FLL, ACY, DTW, or wherever.

Good move on thier part to maximize revenues on a short(er) length flight (not too much fuel burn) between large markets.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7513 times:

Flight times aren't great but the real story may be that FL and NK are getting into a fight on DL and NW's doorsteps. This could be interesting to watch. I think NK will come away with the most wounds.

User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7483 times:

Quoting Globalflyer (Thread starter):
My question is what are they thinking?

Mine too!

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 9):
Talk about a Spirit and Air Tran catfight today!

Which airline started it?

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 9):
FL adds DTW to FLL TPA and RSW

This could escalate into NW reacting with one of their patented temper-tantrums... Who knows where it all could lead...


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7394 times:

Quoting ClearedDirect (Reply 6):
Well as a frequent patron of the MCO-ATL-MCO route, all I can say is there is definately a demand. I think there are about 12 flights a day between MCO and ATL combining DL and FL and they are always pretty full. You can expect to pay through the nose if you book late.
Maybe this will help.

There are actually 25 or so daily flights each way daily between ATL and MCO on DL and FL, with DL using 7-8 widebodies on the route. MCO is the busiest route from ATL.

Jeremy


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4760 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

Big Momma from the South is gonna get angry!

Look for 777s back on the ATL-MCO route. LOL



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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

I wish they would give ACY a LAS or LAX flight to take up one of our 3 RON's... that would be sweet!!


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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7345 times:

Quoting Nkops (Reply 15):
I wish they would give ACY a LAS or LAX flight to take up one of our 3 RON's... that would be sweet!!

That would be cool...linking the 2 biggest casino towns!


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6808 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7282 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
The flights are using planes that would otherwise sit on the ground in Tampa, Orlando, or Atlanta, so it isn't a huge risk they are taking, though I question if they will be very successful.

Well, except that Spirit still has to pay for crew costs, fuel, amortized maintenance, and airport costs for these flights. The actual airframe costs (leases and depreciation) only run in the neighborhood of 10-15% of operating costs for most carriers.

I have my doubts (like you) that Spirit will find much success with these flights, what with Delta and AirTran both having a strong presence in the ATL market. The only way they're going to fill these planes is with rock-bottom prices, and that doesn't seem like a good way to ensure profitability.


User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7082 times:

1 flight from ATL-LAS is hardly a threat to anyone but if it is in addition to the existing service Spirit has in ATL, it will cause some eyebrows to raise.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7054 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 17):
Well, except that Spirit still has to pay for crew costs, fuel, amortized maintenance, and airport costs for these flights. The actual airframe costs (leases and depreciation) only run in the neighborhood of 10-15% of operating costs for most carriers.

That doesn't add to the risk. That is what any airline will see when adding any new route. The fact remains that the planes would otherwise be parked at these times. They are not taking capacity from other routes, they are not hiring new employees, they are not adding a new station, they are not adding new markets, they will not need to advertise the flights heavily. There is virtually zero risk involved, and if the flights perform poorly to the point where it is cheaper to the park the plane, then they park the planes again. Nothing wrong with that.



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User currently offlineSirOmega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7003 times:

Didnt DL just change some of their WB service ATL-LAS to go to NB A/C? I suppose it makes sense for NK to crowd in if DL is cutting capacity (I'm pretty sure that the number of flights didnt increase in a commensurate manner with changing several of the 763s and 764s to 738s and 752s).

User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6920 times:

Quoting Globalflyer (Thread starter):
Wow! Spirit has announced new nonstop Airbus service from ATL-LAS/TPA/MCO (the latter two destinations being seasonal).

My question is what are they thinking?

Good question.

Delta will most certainly force them out of the market, much as happened with JetBlue.

We can't lose customers in Atlanta to Spirit. We've lost enough to AirTran.

Nahhh. Spirit will be a flash in the pan at Atlanta.



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3418 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6810 times:

NK is also touting 'direct' FLL-LAS (via ATL) as part of this expansion of schedules...

User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6655 times:

WOW! You have to give it to them , they've got some big nads to take on DL & FL in that respect. Personally, I don't think it is a good utilization of their a/c seeing that DL, FL & HP all have direct service to LAS. Also, DL & FL are going to drop fares to ruin NK's revenue if they add more than one flight.

I just cannot see them building up ATL as there are no gates to expand with. FL will get any open gates on C & D if they come available and it many years until the new South Terminal. Just almost seems like a kamakaze move. If there is more than one daily to LAS expect a retaliation by seeing 767/777 on MCO and maybe TPA along with 763/maybe 4 on LAS. Expect FL to add more dailies with upcoming 737's and maybe even some DTW-LAS from FL.

On the other hand maybe NK just likes seeing Lincoln, Hamilton, Grant and Franklin burn as fast they can!!!



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