RJ100 From Russia, joined Nov 2000, 4039 posts, RR: 51 Posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8995 times:
Spanair today confirmed that a scheduled flight from Barcelona landed at the wrong airport with 95 passengers aboard. Instead of Santiago de Compostela in northwestern Spain, the aircraft landed in Sevilla in the South of Spain, approximately 700 kms away from it's destination.
Spanair has leased an aircraft from "Nordic" who operated the flight. The pilots obviously confused the two airport codes, SCQ and SVQ.
I wonder what the passengers have thought during the flight. I mean everyone noticed that they were flying in the wrong direction .
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RJ100
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Spruit From United Kingdom (England), joined Oct 2005, 375 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8988 times:
Where did you get that information from?
If that's true then that's a terrible mistake to make! Wouldn't the names being different have rung any bells!
HT From Germany, joined May 2005, 5097 posts, RR: 36 Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8919 times:
Quoting RJ100 (Thread starter): Spanair has leased an aircraft from "Nordic" who operated the flight. The pilots obviously confused the two airport codes, SCQ and SVQ.
Wouldn't they have to file a flight plan ?
So, the error must have ocurred in flight planning, because otherwise ATC should have contacted the flight crew ?!
Plus, still JK can blame it all onto the wildfires around SCQ ....
-HT
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PanAmerican From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 383 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8859 times:
I too have just read that story... Here's a link (sorry, in Germany only) and thus proof to the story: http://www.n-tv.de/697609.html
Unbelievable. Planes landing at wrong airports seem to happen more often than one would think.
The article says that the passengers were wondering why they flew over the Mediterranean for so long when actually they should have been west bound with no water in sight! Lol, they better should have mentioned something to the crew...
Quoting HT (Reply 2): Wouldn't they have to file a flight plan ?
So, the error must have ocurred in flight planning, because otherwise ATC should have contacted the flight crew ?!
I'm also wondering about that, but I think the error must have occured earlier so that they did file to fly to SVQ instead of SCQ.
Well, I'm sure this will have consequences for the two Swedish pilots anyway...
VuelingAirbus From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 113 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8701 times:
Quoting PanAmerican (Reply 3): Well, I'm sure this will have consequences for the two Swedish pilots anyway...
Surely not... We have nothing whatsoever to do with the filed flight plan. What we receive from the dispatcher and what was filed is our duty for that day. The mistake for sure happened somewhere else namely the department which is responsible for the computerized flight plan and the filing of the ATC flight plan. I call for start up and get a clearance and I fly that route. If it later turns out that we flew to the wrong destination... Bad luck! Do you think an Airline pilot nowadays files flight plans?
RyanairCRL From France, joined Dec 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8561 times:
Quoting VuelingAirbus (Reply 4): Quoting PanAmerican (Reply 3):
Well, I'm sure this will have consequences for the two Swedish pilots anyway...
Surely not...
it says on your roster you're doing SCQ and when you prepare your flights you see SVQ on your flights plans...shouldn't it ring a bell ?
plus, in most airlines the CPT makes a PA welcoming the pax on the flight to ...? either he said SCQ then he should have realised that his flight plan was wrong. or he said SVQ, then why did nobody in the cabin (pax and crew) react ??
PanAmerican From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 383 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8468 times:
Quoting VuelingAirbus (Reply 4): Surely not... We have nothing whatsoever to do with the filed flight plan.
I was just refering to the article that I read which clearly blamed the pilots. I don't know who actually made the error, I was just assuming it must have been the two upfront mixing up those airport codes accoring to what I read...
Well, it also says that after the confusion was settled, all 95 passengers were flown from SVQ to SCQ
Aisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 744 posts, RR: 16 Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8321 times:
Quoting RyanairCRL (Reply 5): it says on your roster you're doing SCQ and when you prepare your flights you see SVQ on your flights plans...shouldn't it ring a bell ?
Actually it's a little more complicated. The plane was leased "due to summer high demand". The passengers who boarded the plane realized, for the first time, that the flight operator was "Nordic Airways" with Swedish crew (both flight crew and cabin crew), and neither of them could speak Spanish. It seems that flight planning was carried out in Sweden where someone misplaced the SVQ code instead of SCQ code. Passengers were atonished watching the plane flying over the mediterranean sea instead of mainland Spain. Only when the flight crew received the "Greetings from Seville (y olé)" they realized SVQ was not "Santiagou of Compoustelah".
Just imagine for a sec what would have happened if the mistake is with a D as in SDQ...
Things like this should never happen. First of all. Can an airline operate a cabotage route when no-one in the crew speaks the local language? And second.. If you know you can't do the flight.. don't schedule it!! One thing is codeshares, leasings... It's all quoted in GDS and tickets. But this....
HT From Germany, joined May 2005, 5097 posts, RR: 36 Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8139 times:
Quoting PanAmerican (Reply 9): Quoting Aisak (Reply 8):Just imagine for a sec what would have happened if the mistake is with a D as in SDQ...
Depends on what plane was operating this flight
Probably MD-80-something, so SDQ would clearly out of range, unless they would route like BCN - PIK - KEF - BGR - CLT - SDQ or similar
-HT
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TommyBP251b From Germany, joined Apr 2006, 389 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8015 times:
I have a very good idea for this mistake. Just look at your keybord of your own computer. Where is the C and where is the V? They are directly next to each other! SVG or SCG. It could be possible that it was just a typing mistake from the guy who made the flight plan.
Could this be possible? What do you think about it?
VEEREF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7266 times:
Quoting WSOY (Reply 13): So the pilots landed in the right city, only the company paperwork that guided them there in the first place was in error? Is that all there is to it?
From the original post, it appears the flight landed at the wrong end of the country.
Reminds me of this accident....
Varig flight RG254 from MAB to BEL, B-737 PP-VMK , 9/03/89
"The aircraft ran out of fuel due to a navigation error and crashed into the jungle. The crew entered a heading of 027 degrees instead of 270 into the flight computer. Although the flight from Maraba to Belem was supposed to last 45 minutes, after two hours, the captain still thought he was flying in the right direction. The course was finally corrected but the plane ran out of fuel and crashed into the jungle."
Eddie757 From Spain, joined Jul 2006, 22 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6906 times:
I think it's incredible... there are a lot of filters between the person who fills the flight plan and the final consecuence... there are more than 5 errors in a row. That demonstrates the low awarness of every person in the chain, probably guided by monotony.
But, luckly, the airport was at a reasonably distance... and there were no more consecuences than the... obvious for the passengers and crew.
I remember the B757 accident in South America (can't remember well where exactly...), when entering a DCT point in the FMS, the pilots didn't check the coordinates and flew onto the mountains, guided by the FMS to a point named the same but on the other hemisphere.
Jamotcx From United Kingdom (England), joined May 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 41 Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6770 times:
From everything I have heard so far living in Spain just down the road from Sevilla, the pilots did nothing wrong, and its all down to the groundstaff at BCN mixing up 2 flights.
The flight the pilots were given to fly was to SVQ so they had all that paperwork (flightplan etc) to complete the flight, sounds more like the pax were loaded onto the wrong plane.
But then again having lived here for 6 months now I've come to not believe much of the news or weather here.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 12256 posts, RR: 57 Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6377 times:
Quoting Aisak (Reply 8): Just imagine for a sec what would have happened if the mistake is with a D as in SDQ...
Or of the mistake was with a Y, hence the code becoming SYQ? That thing wouldn't even have a runway to properly land.
That being said, don't the pilots and even the dispatchers who file the flightplans actually use the ICAO codes and not the IATA codes for the airport?
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Lufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 2261 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4767 times:
Yeah my guess is it was the ground crew loading the passengers into the wrong plane, coupled with the fact the swedes onboard didn't speak spanish to pick it up.
I mean the pilots obviously had the correct fuel, flight plans etc to get to the destination they flew to, so it would seem more likely a mix up of boarding the wrong aircraft.... although that should leave another plane full of passengers waiting for another destination in theory back in the airport also with the wrong aircraft.
Whatever the case, i doubt the swedish crew are to fault here... seems more like they were just doing their job, albiet the wrong one.
FlyDeltaJets From United States, joined Feb 2006, 1242 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4532 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 20): That being said, don't the pilots and even the dispatchers who file the flightplans actually use the ICAO codes and not the IATA codes for the airport?
Delta flight plans have the 4 letter code. I am guessing that that is the ICAO code that you are speaking of. eg DL175 the flght plan says KJFK (John F. Ken. International) to KATL (Wm B Hart/Jackson International)
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Antiuser From Italy, joined May 2004, 657 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4348 times:
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 18): How come that after an hour it did not dawn on the flight crew/cabin crew/passengers.
Flight crew were listening to a world cup qualifying game on the radio. First officer noticed the error after a while but the captain was stubborn and didn't want to admit he was wrong. After the crash-landing, he blamed it on the instruments but investigations proved the error occurred when the pilot inserted the coordinates into the flight computer.
RootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4147 posts, RR: 53 Reply 25, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4089 times:
I have heard of aircraft landing at wrong nearby airports such a EZY which landed in CIA instead on FCO, but SCQ and SVQ are in totally different directions !
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26 Icaro: What I really think is terrible here is that passegers who bought a ticket to fly JK to SCQ ended in a plane operated by a sweedish company , with a c
27 AirKas1: Wasn't that an AA 757 which was going to Cali?
28 Stil: As readed on a local newspaper, pax thought they were overflying Orense (Town near SCQ), because they saw a city with a river; but when the a/c landed
29 Doona: My mother told me a story about when she was flying from STN to MMX on FR, after boarding was completed, the crew went on the PA and said: "This is t
30 BDKLEZ: Nonsense, don't pass this buck back to Operations and/or Flight Planning. Either you know where you are scheduled to depart to or you do not. If your
31 Jfidler: Is this the same company as Nordic Leisure? OV has been short of planes lately, so I've been on flights operated by Nordic Leisure on behalf of OV on
32 Bennett123: Does'nt someone say welcome aboard flight ABC123 to Santiago or ABC456 to Seville. Surely even if you do not understand the rest of the announcement,
33 Spruit: This sounds the most plausible answer to this thread! I'm struggling to believe a qualified pilot and first officer could make such a monumental mist
34 Bennett123: Were Spanair/Nordic operating flights to both destinations at the same time?.
35 LTU932: Yes, I meant the 4 letter ICAO airport code.
36 Clo1973: It happened in december 1995 when an American Airlines plane was in its approach to Cali (Colombia). Due to a change in the runaway they were suppous
37 DYflyer: These kind of things (wet-leases) happen all the time. Lately passengers booked on Norwegian ( DY ) has met both Turkish planes with Turkish crews an
38 USADreamliner: Is this the case of the pilots listening a soccer play? I heard some time ago about a RG accident that happened because the pilot was paying attentio
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