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Airbus Is On Track For Record Deliveries In 2006  
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7217 times:

LONDON (Dow Jones) -- Airbus said Tuesday it delivered 34 airplanes and took orders for 83 aircraft in July, resulting in 253 deliveries and 200 orders thus far this year.

The figures mean Airbus is on track to reach its goal of 430 plane deliveries this year, up from 378 in 2005.

Airbus is expected to deliver more planes than arch rival Boeing Co. for a fourth year in a row, but the U.S. company is expected to take more orders for the first time in six years. Boeing has already secured more than 500 orders so far this year...


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB115504562829929835.html

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User currently offlineVivek0072 From India, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7187 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
The figures mean Airbus is on track to reach its goal of 430 plane deliveries this year, up from 378 in 2005.

Will the A380 be one of the 430 ?

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB115504562829929835.html

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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7187 times:

So obviously , even with all the bad news Airbus had this year , it will stay No1 , as only delivered planes are counting , not those which have been ordered during the year.Congrats to Airbus !!!!!!!

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30855 posts, RR: 86
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7187 times:
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Good news for both manufactuers, and now that the US airlines are starting to recover, this should translate into additional orders (and eventual deliveries) for both companies.

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5744 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7162 times:

Quoting Vivek0072 (Reply 3):
Will the A380 be one of the 430 ?

1 A380 for Singapore

YTD orders for Boeing is 531
YTD orders for Airbus is 200



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9997 posts, RR: 96
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7036 times:
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Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
200 orders thus far this year

Looking at the Airbus Orders spreadsheet, there's still a number of big Farnborough announcements (or nearly announcements.. A330F  Smile..) still not in those numbers.
Going to be an interesting second half (again  Smile )

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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12460 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6881 times:
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Quoting Astuteman (Reply 6):
Looking at the Airbus Orders spreadsheet, there's still a number of big Farnborough announcements (or nearly announcements.. A330F ..) still not in those numbers.
Going to be an interesting second half (again )

Just like last year was!

However, I think Airbus have just about admitted that Boeing will sell more than them this year. At Farnborough Leahy was predicting combined orders to total around 1,100 and that Airbus would have around 500 sales.



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User currently offlineRAPCON From Puerto Rico, joined Jul 2006, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6849 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 2):
So obviously , even with all the bad news Airbus had this year , it will stay No1 , as only delivered planes are counting , not those which have been ordered during the year.Congrats to Airbus !!!!!!!

Deliveries, schmeliveries!! Who cares about deliveries, if you're not getting more sales sooner or later you're thru!!

Dump Leahy, get a new salesman, and SELL!!!



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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4741 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6707 times:
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Quoting RAPCON (Reply 8):
Dump Leahy, get a new salesman, and SELL!!!

except that selling doesn't necessarily mean you make money either as Boeing found out in 97!


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6674 times:

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 8):
Dump Leahy, get a new salesman, and SELL!!!

 Yeah sure

Despite all the negative news about Airbus, in recent months, Leahy did a remarkably good job.

1. No loss of A380 orders, but taking additional orders.
2. Keeping all the old A350 customers at the moment..
3. Land a US$ 7 billion order from SIA.
4. Apart from the 200 firm orders, there's about 300 commitments, around 200 of them for wide bodies.

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 8):

Deliveries, schmeliveries!! Who cares about deliveries, if you're not getting more sales sooner or later you're thru!

200 sales in 7 months. Taking them in at the same speed would result in 350 orders a year (highly unlikely with already more than 300 commitments writen down aswell). At thsi years production speed it would tke Airbus another 25 years to run trough their orderbook. Time to get worried.  rotfl 



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30855 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6653 times:
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Quoting Manni (Reply 10):
At this year's production speed it would take Airbus another 25 years to run trough their orderbook. Time to get worried.

The workforces at both Boeing and Airbus are probably feeling pretty confident at the moment about their long-term prospects.  Smile


User currently offlineHalibut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6585 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 2):
So obviously , even with all the bad news Airbus had this year , it will stay No1 , as only delivered planes are counting , not those which have been ordered during the year.

Hhmm  scratchchin 

Perhaps ,
However , it is possible that " just like last year " , Boeing may have fewer deliveries - But , receive the majority of the market in terms of dollar value .

Quoting Manni (Reply 10):
3. Land a US$ 7 billion order from SIA.

That deal helped SQ get a better deal with Boeing in the Twin Aisle market ! SQ made that happen ! SQ couldn't allow Boeing to run away in the mid market . Which they were doing by the way ! Yah remember 2005 ? How many A345/6 did airbus sell compared to the 777 ???

Did SQ prop up Airbus ???

Hhmm scratchchin 

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
Airbus Is On Track For Record Deliveries In 2006

Record " Pickles " too !  eyebrow 

 silly 

Halibut


User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 6537 times:

Quoting Halibut (Reply 12):
Perhaps ,
However , it is possible that " just like last year " , Boeing may have fewer deliveries - But , receive the majority of the market in terms of dollar value .

Of course Boeing will. Even with the hard working EU taxpayer bailing out the 350 development write off.  Big grin



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6513 times:

Quoting Halibut (Reply 12):
That deal helped SQ get a better deal with Boeing in the Twin Aisle market ! SQ made that happen ! SQ couldn't allow Boeing to run away in the mid market .

So it's still a thorn in your eye, the SQ deal.  rotfl 

building on your theory.... the 787's were placed first, followed by the A350's. Perhaps the 787 deal was placed to get a better deal from Airbus for their A350?

Ooh and BTW, by ordering additional A380's, SQ doesn't seem to have a problem to let Airbus run away with the VLA passenger aircraft market.

Quoting Halibut (Reply 12):
Yah remember 2005 ? How many A345/6 did airbus sell compared to the 777 ???

No surprise you've digged this up again. I somehow expect last year A340 VS 777 numbers to be used for many years to come. As a 'feel good cure' in not so good times.  rotfl 

Talking about SQ earlier on and now the 777, reminds me how SQ ruled out the 777LR against all expectations of our resident fleet managers. Another reason to dig up A340 vs 777?  scratchchin 

Quoting Halibut (Reply 12):
Boeing may have fewer deliveries - But , receive the majority of the market in terms of dollar value .

You're mixing up things here. Deliberatly or not? Boeing has recieved fewer orders last year but recieved more of the market in terms of value at listprices.

Something we might see happening this year aswell. With Boeing and Airbus swapping places.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
The workforces at both Boeing and Airbus are probably feeling pretty confident at the moment about their long-term prospects.

Indeed, even the younger employees seem to have enough work ahead of them untill retirement... if the Boeing and Airbus sales teams don't improve.  Wink



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User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6450 times:

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 13):
Even with the hard working EU taxpayer bailing out the 350 development write off.

I pay less tax because of my govt's past investments in Airbus, so I don't actually want it to stop bailing the company out. I do, however, want it to invest without any repayment getout clauses.


User currently offlineRAPCON From Puerto Rico, joined Jul 2006, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 10):
Taking them in at the same speed would result in 350 orders a year (highly unlikely with already more than 300 commitments writen down aswell).

So applying your formula what would Boeing's result be? MMMUUUCCCHHH HIGHER, EH?



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User currently offline2wingtips From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6317 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 10):
Despite all the negative news about Airbus, in recent months, Leahy did a remarkably good job.

1. No loss of A380 orders, but taking additional orders.

Yet! Do you have the power of the future to tell us there won't be any cancellations. I'm definitely of the opinion there will be. You could say the 748F booted the 380F out at EK.

Quoting Manni (Reply 10):
2. Keeping all the old A350 customers at the moment..

And who knows how many they will keep and how many they will lose. Many quotes recently from Airbus officials saying they could lose a couple of existing A350 orders. If that were to happen, Air Europa, GECAS and possibly US Air would be at the top of my list.

Quoting Manni (Reply 10):
3. Land a US$ 7 billion order from SIA.

Yes, a very significant order, which is still not firm. Same status as the SQ 787 order. No doubt SQ screwed Airbus mightily on this deal. No doubt too that SQ wants to remain dual supplied.

Quoting Manni (Reply 10):
4. Apart from the 200 firm orders, there's about 300 commitments, around 200 of them for wide bodies.

A very good period for the A330. And it has to be as Airbus have nothing else to offer that is competitive before 2012, or whenever they get around to building it. The 340 is dead, even though Leahy claims the market still exists. Interim 330s switching to 350s seems to be Airbus' strategy.


User currently offline2wingtips From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6310 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 14):
Talking about SQ earlier on and now the 777, reminds me how SQ ruled out the 777LR against all expectations of our resident fleet managers. Another reason to dig up A340 vs 777?

And they aren't getting any more 345s. I wonder, just wonder, if Airbus have guaranteed a residual price on the SQ 345 fleet. I think it was very likely tied in to the 350/380 deal. SQ are not making money on their ULH flights and yields are no higher than on their 1-stoppers. Whilst the 772LR would have been an improvement, the best strategy for SQ was to stay with their small 345 fleet.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6263 times:

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 17):

So applying your formula what would Boeing's result be? MMMUUUCCCHHH HIGHER, EH?

Indeed. I can perfectly live with 2 manufacturers sharing the market. One manufacturers succes does not need to be the others demise. A theory others seem to have issues with...

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 18):

Yet! Do you have the power of the future to tell us there won't be any cancellations. I'm definitely of the opinion there will be.

No, I can't. Good on you, you feel confident you can. But for the sake of argument, you might want to define a timeperiod... In a typical 20 to 25 year timespan of the production life of an aircraft a cancellation might indeed occur.

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 18):
You could say the 748F booted the 380F out at EK.

I could, but you might have noticed that I was making a POSITIVE balance.

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 18):
If that were to happen, Air Europa, GECAS and possibly US Air would be at the top of my list.

And what's the relevance of this?

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 18):
And who knows how many they will keep and how many they will lose.

I did write 'at the moment'. I too noted Airbus officials saying they might loose some orders, however so far they've only gained a commitment.

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 18):
No doubt SQ screwed Airbus mightily on this deal.

 no 

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 18):
No doubt too that SQ wants to remain dual supplied.

Not at all costs. See the additional A380 order.  Wink



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4135 posts, RR: 90
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6201 times:
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Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
The figures mean Airbus is on track to reach its goal of 430 plane deliveries this year, up from 378 in 2005.

If I may respecfully point out, what's the news in this? Airbus gave initial guidance at the beginning of 2006 that they expected to deliver between 425 and 435 frames this year. All this appears to be is re-affirmation of that guidance. For comparison, Boeing stated they expected to deliver 395 frames including 30 which were not delivered in 2005 due to the Machinists strike. Nice to see Airbus reach the milestone despite all the Media fluff and blah blah over recent months.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Good news for both manufactuers, and now that the US airlines are starting to recover, this should translate into additional orders (and eventual deliveries) for both companies.

Nice comment Stitch, it shows the difference between a true enthusiast and those which aren't whom troll the forum from time to time. For that I thank you.

Quoting Manni (Reply 10):
Despite all the negative news about Airbus, in recent months,

As I stated before it's good to see re-affirmation of their delivery guidance provided in January. Good news all the same

Quoting Manni (Reply 10):
1. No loss of A380 orders, but taking additional orders.

So true but unfortunately there is a "twist" to this order that will make for interesting reading when it becomes public. At the moment I could offer an opinion as I cannot provide a linked source. But I can't wait for it to become public and for the ensuing discussion  Wink

Quoting Manni (Reply 10):
2. Keeping all the old A350 customers at the moment..

Whilst true at the moment 2 of them won't be there by the end of the year, again, as I have no link, that is my opinion. Not to detract from the program I've no doubt that more will be gained to ensure Industrial launch proceeds as planned.

Quoting Manni (Reply 10):
3. Land a US$ 7 billion order from SIA.

Great order indeed however SQ stayed with the 789 and Airbus have to provide 19 new build A333s via their own leasing entity.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 5):
YTD orders for Boeing is 531
YTD orders for Airbus is 200

Re-wind to 2005 sir and as the saying goes, don't count your chickens before they hatch! Airbus traditionally book their new orders in the second half of the year and their sales outlook is more optimistic mid year than what it was at the start of 2006.

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 19):
if Airbus have guaranteed a residual price on the SQ 345 fleet.

No need to wonder sir, it's the truth, though again, I can only offer an opinion as I cannot link to my source.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineJdevora From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 351 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6065 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 22):

So true but unfortunately there is a "twist" to this order that will make for interesting reading when it becomes public. At the moment I could offer an opinion as I cannot provide a linked source. But I can't wait for it to become public and for the ensuing discussion Wink

And are you going to leave us like this???? Could you please provide us with you valuable opinion?

Cheers
JD


User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6040 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 22):
If I may respectfully point out, what's the news in this?

None, once more some journalists are just filling their pages with aviation 'news'....

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 22):
Nice to see Airbus reach the milestone despite all the Media fluff and blah blah over recent months.

That's because the 'problems' at Airbus have been predominantly media-related actually. Airbus was, is and will for the foreseeable future be a booming company, with a solid basis for business and profitability: they are nowhere near a collapse as some were already openly discussing. Communication with the media, especially the US based media which looks at Airbus with a bad eye, could have been more streamlined and controlled indeed to avoid being slashed so easily, in a similar way as Boeing massages the reporting on their problems (787 technical issues, 748i fiasco and redesign), and it is now being taken care off.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 22):
there is a "twist" to this order that will make for interesting reading when it becomes public. At the moment I could offer an opinion as I cannot provide a linked source. But I can't wait for it to become public and for the ensuing discussion.

The 'twist' is not really that spectacular and makes sense for both SQ and Airbus... obviously some will try to spin it, but with the knowledge communications from Airbus will be better coached as from now, this will be dealt with in a strict business-like manner, not the emotional-sensational manner from the recent past; the deal secures more A380s and this is what the company should focus on, not all the emotions and rumours which may come from the reshuffle.

[Edited 2006-08-09 12:25:22]

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5970 times:

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 25):
The 'twist' is not really that spectacular and makes sense for both SQ and Airbus... obviously some will try to spin it, but with the knowledge communications from Airbus will be better coached as from now, this will be dealt with in a strict business-like manner, not the emotional-sensational manner from the recent past; the deal secures more A380s and this is what the company should focus on, not all the emotions and rumours which may come from the reshuffle.

Isn't an order cancellation and/or deferral thereby making the additional A380 delivery slots in 2008 and 2009 available for SQ by any other name, still an order cancellation/deferral?


User currently offlineHalibut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5887 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 18):
Not at all costs. See the additional A380 order

You are forgetting the compensation/penalties for the multiple A380 delays .  yes 

What happen to them , hah ???

Hhmm  scratchchin 

No doubt SQ worked that into the deal !  yes 

Halibut


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4135 posts, RR: 90
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5623 times:
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Quoting Jdevora (Reply 20):
And are you going to leave us like this????

Yes sir, respectfully I am  Smile

Quoting Jdevora (Reply 20):
Could you please provide us with you valuable opinion?

I appreciate that you value my opinion however it is all I can provide. As per forum rules I cannot provide a link to my source and given the nature of the information it would be a requirement that I provide such a source.

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 21):
None, once more some journalists are just filling their pages with aviation 'news'....

Sabenapilot I have missed your posts, this is one point we most definately agree on. The media are finding things a little slow by their definition though Airbus booking 83 firm orders in a month doesn't seem enough to appease them  Wink

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 21):
The 'twist' is not really that spectacular and makes sense for both SQ and Airbus...

Thank you for posting that sir as it does underpin, to a degree, what I was trying to express with my opinion in my previous post.

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 21):
this will be dealt with in a strict business-like manner

Of that there is no doubt because it only involves the 2 companies you referred to, Airbus and SQ.

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 22):
Isn't an order cancellation and/or deferral thereby making the additional A380 delivery slots in 2008 and 2009 available for SQ by any other name, still an order cancellation/deferral?

No cancellation nor deferral has anything to do with the "twist" to the order which I referred to and to which Sabenapilot responded to. Refer to the following;

The Singapore carrier's LOI also covered nine firm A380-800s and six new options, utilising delivery positions protected by options in the airline's initial order for 10 aircraft in 2001.

http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/orders_and_deliveries/

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25 2wingtips : Yep. 6-12 months. SQ have taken 9 more slots in the 2008/10 timeframe and these aren't coming from increased production. Of course they could pull th
26 Adria : and your source is? well I would not worry about our tax money since you throw out more money for useless wars in a week that the whole development o
27 Post contains links Leelaw : Nevertheless, "analysts/industry sources" are skeptical about that particular assertion by Airbus: ...Meanwhile, the announcement that SIA is taking
28 PanAm_DC10 : Just how many of those "analysts/industry sources" have seen the actual contract between SQ and Airbus? Given that those same said individuals were t
29 Post contains images DAYflyer : Airbus did a good job for the last few years, and they will stay in the lead for a while yet. But the tide is now turning....thanks to the 787.....
30 Post contains links and images Manni : From a FI article, Thai has six A380s on firm order, but Apinan said first deliveries to the Star Alliance carrier have only been pushed back by arou
31 Art : I think you are right as we speak today. A few unknowns are down the line though, in my opinion. How good will the A320E turn out to be? Will the A35
32 Post contains images TinkerBelle : Who in their right mind except maybe Manni, Keesje and Johnny would want a signed picture of Leahy?
33 Coa747 : Airbus delivering more aircraft that Boeing is no surprise we have known this would be the case since the first of the year. However if they loose the
34 Stitch : When some of the carriers ordered the A380, they may very well have deliberately chosen delivery dates years after EIS. And as such, Airbus would have
35 StarGoldLHR : So what about Dollar value... all the dollar does recently is devalue.. however in terms of Euro's it's more about the amount of profit you make, not
36 Leelaw : Don't know. Nevertheless, I don't think it's necessarily specious for the "anaylsts" to question how delivery slots "guaranteed by unexercised option
37 Post contains images Stitch : If they have indeed "negotiated an option deal...with ostensibly the most liberal terms in favor of an option-holder in the history of commercial avi
38 Post contains images BoomBoom : Oh yes, the media is responsible for the three announced delays on the A380 project. It was the media that screwed up the wiring harnesses. They are
39 EBJ1248650 : With the HGW version in production, how can this be completely true?
40 Leelaw : Cat's out of the bag. The "competition" already knows SQ is able to obtain six additional delivery slots during a period of production shortfall. Tha
41 Cobra27 : Bourecracy. Clearly last year had Boeing a bigger business.
42 Art : Interesting assessment. Perhaps they are in a way. If the media (European financial media, I guess) had kept hammering away against the existing setu
43 Stitch : While current A340 operators may continue to wish to acquire additional frames (even though the 777 and 787 offer better economics) due to conversion
44 Sabenapilot : It was ment to. You are. On this site most people post more than they know, yet some know more than they (may) post. Indeed. It's a simple 2-party ag
45 Post contains images 2wingtips : And I'm supposed to know what you are talking about
46 Leelaw : The OEMs learned long ago that granting option-holders an absolute right to delivery slots until the option expired was a bad idea, because the risk
47 Stitch : Got it, Leelaw. Thanks!
48 Leelaw : No doubt, the most fervent of the OEM toadies on A.net are more than willing to advance all manner of fanciful theories and offer apocryphal yarns to
49 PanAm_DC10 : Which SQ have affirmed they have as below They came from the existing agreement, 5 years on and finally some of the details of the conditions of the
50 WINGS : Well this is sure turning out to be a rather interesting thread. It also seem so be some confusion regarding SQ recent order for the A380. I would lik
51 Leelaw : I appreciate and value your opinion as well, and I'm grateful for your consistently high quality posts. Oddly, in my view, we've come to very differe
52 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : Thank you and the latter half of your statement is quite eloquent, succinct and I agree with it 100%. That said I've no doubt you'll be posting the i
53 Sabenapilot : Thank you. It might be a good idea not to think of the carefully worded remarks PanAm_DC10 (and I) made in relation to the SQ A380 add-on order as be
54 Leelaw : Thanx for the tip, but I "puzzled" out the alternatives when Mr. Leahy first declared the "slot" shortage last year. Perhaps a better word would be i
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