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Air Tahiti To Start PPT-YVR-CDG?  
User currently offlineJayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6137 times:

Apparently, Air Tahiti is going to start a regular charter service from PPT-YVR-CDG in the coming months using the A340.

I usually don't pay much attention to rumours, but I just heard this one and was wondering if anybody else had heard anything about it.


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6136 times:

Air Tahati Nui or Air Tahati? If its the latter where are they getting a/c from. I know TN has A343E a/c.

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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8549 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6136 times:
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I was under the impression from previous threads that the current France / Canada bilateral does not permit YVR-CDG flights by any carrier , then again , if it is run as a charter rather than a scheduled flight it may be able to get around this


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User currently offlineSpyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6104 times:

YVR-CDG charter flights are permitted under the bilateral agreement as both Air Canada and Air Transat operated this route under a charter basis. Additionally, I believe Zoom is flying 1xweekly YVR-CDG with a stop in YYC.

User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1428 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6027 times:

Don't they already fly PPT-LAX-CDG....this will help them by getting the traffic that cannot connect throguh LAX due to lack of visas.


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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6006 times:

they also do PPT-JFK-CDG

User currently offlineAstral From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5904 times:

Main reason why Air Tahiti Nui wants to fly CDG-YVR-PPT is political. This French carrier ran into considerable security issues with the USA. Further more at times there are French military personnel onboard, and that compounded the problem more.
Air Tahiti Nui do have military charters now on occassion through YVR, because French soliders at times do not have 'French' passports especially those with the Foreign Legion. The aircraft also carries 'military items' which IF going through USA would be a huge problem.
Unless Canada and France change their bilateral agreement, Air Tahiti Nui can really operates passengers charters only. I doubted if any changes in the Bilateral can be agreed upon, as Air Canada is demanding Fifth Freedom out of CDG, which no clear minded French will allow that to happen in exchange for access into YVR !!!


User currently offlineMarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5883 times:

Quoting Astral (Reply 6):
Air Tahiti Nui do have military charters now on occassion through YVR, because French soliders at times do not have 'French' passports especially those with the Foreign Legion. The aircraft also carries 'military items' which IF going through USA would be a huge problem.

How ironic, US troops rarely carry passports either. God knows what US military equipment transits third countries.

Are the Air Tahiti Nui military charters a replacement for the French Air Force 707 flights that used to stopover at LAX?

[Edited 2006-08-09 01:49:23]


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25071 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5834 times:

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 5):
they also do PPT-JFK-CDG

JFK-CDG route was a flop and gets dropped end of October. Just as well as it was a bone of contention with AF.

Quoting MarkATL (Reply 7):
French Air Force 707 flights that used to stopover at LAX?

Was DC-8-72s.



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2178 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5825 times:

Quoting Jayce (Thread starter):
regular charter

can someone please explain what this means?



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User currently offlineMarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5789 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 8):
Was DC-8-72s.

My bad.



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User currently offlineHardkor From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5760 times:

This may be a weak question, but how did Air Tahiti fly PPT-JFK;? Was it via LAX?
Hardkor


User currently offlineMarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5756 times:

Quoting Hardkor (Reply 11):
This may be a weak question, but how did Air Tahiti fly PPT-JFK;? Was it via LAX?
Hardkor

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User currently offlineJayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5732 times:

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 9):
can someone please explain what this means?

I think that in this case it means that TN wants to fly to YVR but they cannot operate regular scheduled flights because of government restrictions so they are operating the flight under the guise of it being a charter flight.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5715 times:

Quoting MarkATL (Reply 12):

Non-stop with A340-500...Great bird!

Try again its a 343- JFK to PPT is only 6200 miles well in the range of the 343.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 8):
JFK-CDG route was a flop

Wasn't this only once a week? Sounds like they weren't serious about the route in the first place.

[Edited 2006-08-09 03:23:39]

User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5707 times:

Quoting MarkATL (Reply 12):
Non-stop with A340-500...Great bird!

I suppose you wanted to write A340-300. But I agree with you: great plane !



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4049 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5699 times:

I think a YVR-PPT route will get off the ground faster as far as passenger loads than JFK-PPT. The JFK route will work for TN, but it has been a long money losing process for them, whereas YVR will be a good west coast originator for passengers. Another west coast airport they should look at going into is SFO.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32700 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5699 times:

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 4):
Don't they already fly PPT-LAX-CDG....this will help them by getting the traffic that cannot connect throguh LAX due to lack of visas.

You don't need a Visa to transit in LAX if you live in Tahiti, France, Australia, New Zealend, most Pacific Islands, Japan, or anywhere in modern Europe. It's a non-issue, because the amount of people who use this flight that need a Visa to transfer is likely close to zero.



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User currently offlineYVRSR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5575 times:

Quoting Astral (Reply 6):
Unless Canada and France change their bilateral agreement, Air Tahiti Nui can really operates passengers charters only. I doubted if any changes in the Bilateral can be agreed upon, as Air Canada is demanding Fifth Freedom out of CDG, which no clear minded French will allow that to happen in exchange for access into YVR !!!

Here is a link to the Canada-France bilateral

http://www.cta-otc.gc.ca/air-aerien/agreements/html/france_e.html

It is not obvious to me that airlines from Canada do not already have Fifth Freedom rights from Paris -- see the schedules.

With respect to YVR, a "French" airline can only fly between YVR and PPT. The document doesn't say if this rule applies to scheduled, charter or both types of flights. Perhaps, I'm missing something.

Satish


User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1871 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5454 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
You don't need a Visa to transit in LAX if you live in Tahiti, France, Australia, New Zealend, most Pacific Islands, Japan, or anywhere in modern Europe. It's a non-issue, because the amount of people who use this flight that need a Visa to transfer is likely close to zero.

You just forget the issue of the biometric passports. For over 6 month, tahitians ad to go to New Zealand to get their visa, making travel impossile for most of them.
And very few airlines serve Tahiti. If someone from a country with no visa exemption for the US wants to visit Tahiti, they cannot fly AF or TN witout going through the nigmare of getting a visa to the US, even if it is only for transit (and, if things have not changed in LAX, to stay in a closed and guarded room during the transit)
Teva



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User currently offlineFrequentflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 736 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5352 times:

Quoting Astral (Reply 6):
This French carrier ran into considerable security issues with the USA

What do you mean?



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User currently offlineLPLAspotter From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5315 times:

Quoting MarkATL (Reply 12):
Non-stop with A340-500...Great bird!

Would be nice if they had them. Right now the only type of a/c they have in their inventory is the A340-300 with no other type on order (they also never operated the 500 series but were thinking about it as a nonstop to Paris)

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User currently offlineVanguard From Solomon Islands, joined Feb 2004, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5288 times:
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Quoting MarkATL (Reply 7):
How ironic, US troops rarely carry passports either. God knows what US military equipment transits third countries.

Indeed! Witness the break-ins at Prestwick Airport in Scotland highlighting the export of US weaponry to Israel.....


User currently offlineAstral From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5180 times:

To answer Jayce question on 'Scheduled Charter' -
Providing a bilateral agreement allows it, airlines can run charters as often as they can provided it meet the charter regulations. Do remember the word 'charter', meaning someone else want to use your airplane, and not the airline itself !!! To by-pass the schedule terms, for example, TN can have a tour operator (or an tour operator that choose TN) in France or Canada to charter long term between CDG-YVR-PPT. In this case, TN cannot sell tickets directly, or market its service directly, do again remember it is now the job of the tour operator. There are other restrictions for charters too, but you can have a so-called schedule charter at any time. I still remember my time at CX back in the 70's when they operate daily 'charters' for years into cities in Japan other than TYO !!
To answer Frequentfler on 'Security with USA' -
Because of TN's passenger type mix, they carried many nationals into South Pacific who of course hold interesting passports. Thus US visa requirement always pops up, security screening pre flight were nightmares. Further compounded by French military personnel and equipment onboard. The US and French political views and stands too at times affect this small French State-owned carrier too.
Overall, TN is a very good airline offering one of the best onboard service. I truly wish they can start their sechedule service into YVR.


User currently offlineFrequentflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 736 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5150 times:

Quoting Astral (Reply 23):
To answer Frequentfler on 'Security with USA' -
Because of TN's passenger type mix, they carried many nationals into South Pacific who of course hold interesting passports. Thus US visa requirement always pops up, security screening pre flight were nightmares. Further compounded by French military personnel and equipment onboard. The US and French political views and stands too at times affect this small French State-owned carrier too.
Overall, TN is a very good airline offering one of the best onboard service. I truly wish they can start their sechedule service into YVR.

Thanks Astral.

Anybody knows who does their maintenance on the 343s?



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25 Connector4you : " target=_blank>http://www.cta-otc.gc.ca/air-aerien/....html If you read carefully the bilateral there's no flying allowed beyond Vancouver (coming fr
26 Raivavae : I am afraid you do not get it right... (but I can understand that, as the situation is tricky with two French State ! on each side of the route!! ATN
27 MotorHussy : I've always thought that TN should start a twice weekly PPT-YUL-CDG and start to take advantage of another large French speaking population (Montréal
28 Raivavae : that is not the main reason, when the French army had very sensitive material to fly to French polynesia, the routing of the DC 8 were Paris, Pointe
29 DYK : I will be surprised if Air Tahiti Nieu flies to Vancouver. The Canada-france Bi-laterall is coming up for re-negotiation so you never know what will h
30 Dutchjet : It will be interesting to see if, in fact, Air Tahiti Nui ends up flying a PPT-YVR-CDG route.....there were rumors that they were looking at this rout
31 Travelin man : That is so incredibly wrong it is laughable. 99% of the passengers fly direct from PPT to CDG???? I just arrived today on TN flight #22 (PPT-LAX, con
32 AF Cabin Crew : Ia Orana all ! It is very interesting reading all of your comments... Well back here in Tahiti we were just told that Air Tahiti Nui is in deep financ
33 ZK-NBT : Good post there AF Cabin Crew! I think the fact that Tahiti has an International Carrier is about the best thing in all of this. My personal opinion i
34 N1120A : Nui Like said, visas are not an issue Only for people who didn't already have passports before the changeover date, which I doubt most Tahitians had
35 Post contains links and images Dcrusafon : I flown with them last April on a One World Global Explorer fare and the plane was almost empty in the PPTJFK sector. The groud staff told me that th
36 Connector4you : I still think I got it right, cause we were speaking here about the French-Canadian current bilateral that clearly won't allow Air Tahiti Nui fifth r
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