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Pakistani-born Pilot Sues B6 For Discrimination  
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8649 times:

NEW YORK (AP)--A Pakistani-born pilot is suing JetBlue Airways Corp. for discrimination, claiming the airline rescinded a job offer and told him it was because of his background.

Faisal Baig, a U.S. citizen who was raised in Yonkers, N.Y., claims in the suit that an airline manager told him in March that he was a "security risk."

According to the suit, filed in Manhattan Supreme Court, Baig asked, "Are you saying that you are not hiring me because of my name or my religion? ... Are you saying you are not hiring me because of where I'm from?"

The manager answered, "Yes, and JetBlue considers you a security risk," according to the suit...


http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20060809-705467.html

Edit: Here's another link to the full-text of the AP story that doesn't require a subscription:

http://www.newsday.com/business/nati...ory?coll=sns-ap-business-headlines

[Edited 2006-08-09 14:57:34]

[Edited 2006-08-09 14:58:40]

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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8628 times:

Well well well.........he should be entitled to the job..........at least according to this:

From http://www.jetblue.com/workhere/diversity.html

Diversity is one of JetBlue's strengths and a foundation of the company's creative and innovative spirit. Diversity is also a fundamental part of The JetBlue Experience, enabling us to better anticipate, understand and meet the needs of our Customers.

We value the breadth and wealth of personal and professional experience that our Crewmembers bring to JetBlue. While all Crewmembers share the common goals of the JetBlue values (Safety, Caring, Integrity, Fun and Passion), we are all unique and individual.

To ensure JetBlue's continued success and competitiveness, we are focused on hiring Crewmembers based on the quality of their experience, skills, work record, education, training, motivation, attitude and character, without regard for their identification, or perceived identification, with any group or classification of people.

JetBlue's commitment to diversity and equal opportunity employment encompasses people with disabilities. We are active in the recruitment, hiring and reasonable accommodation of qualified Crewmembers who are differently abled. We encourage Crewmembers to participate in organizations and outreach activities devoted to providing education and information about the employment of people with disabilities, and we remain committed to providing appropriate and reasonable accommodation for any Crewmembers who may become disabled while in our employ.

JetBlue is also dedicated to assisting and serving the communities in which we operate. Crewmembers are encouraged to support and join a wide variety of professional and community organizations, including OBAP (Organization of Black Airline Pilots) and WIA (Women in Aviation).

JetBlue is an equal opportunity employer committed to recognizing and developing the value of all its Crewmembers.



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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8628 times:

Better you use this link, other is for suscribers only:
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/nation/15231374.htm



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7610 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8151 times:

According to the suit, filed in Manhattan Supreme Court, Baig asked, "Are you saying that you are not hiring me because of my name or my religion? ... Are you saying you are not hiring me because of where I'm from?"

The manager answered, "Yes, and JetBlue considers you a security risk," according to the suit...

Saying this does seem to invite trouble.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6764 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8013 times:

Wow, if what the guy is claiming is legitimate and if he passed a standard background check, this could be very costly to jetBlue. One would imagine that the latter was true if he had been employed by ACA/Independence for six years already.

User currently offlineAzul320 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7898 times:

Based out of New York, we are one of the most diverse airliners in the states! This is BS


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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5097 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7444 times:

Back to the topic, AGAIN ...

... this is what I found most striking in the news article ...

"Baig claims he was offered the job in February and had already received a ticket to attend the airline's training school in Orlando, Fla".

= If this is true, I think it remains to be seen the evidence Jet Blue presents. If he indeed got this ticket (and there definitely would be traces), and then he didnt get the job based on security check, perhaps there is some red flag somewhere? On the other hand, if no check was done and he was not allowed to fly, a big boo-boo for Jet Blue ... especially sad as its based in NYC.

-A.

[Edited 2006-08-09 22:38:03]


Live, and let live.
User currently offlineTurnit56N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7106 times:

I'm sure there is more to this story. There are many pilots of middle-eastern and south asian heritage and/or origin flying for US airlines. I know a few of them personally, including a very good friend of mine born in Iran and now flying for a major carrier here in the States. I have a hard time believing that all of a sudden one carrier has decided this is an issue.

The security checks are normally done after the interview and while the new hire is going through training. If this man was hired, on his way to training, and then told he was a security risk....I have to conclude that something came up in his background check.

Now, knowing the paranoia of our FBI and DHS I wouldn't be surprised if what came up in the background check was relatively ridiculous and not really a threat.....but that's not B6's fault. Imagine that someone who honestly has no ulterior motive and no idea that their name is on some list hearing that "they're a security risk" from the airline. They'd probably assume that the airline is being racist and make allegations like this. Considering that it would be true to form for the FBI/DHS to say nothing more to the airline than "possible security risk", I'm not really surprised someone would just assume it was merely because of their race.


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5097 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7040 times:

Quoting Turnit56N (Reply 32):
I'm sure there is more to this story. There are many pilots of middle-eastern and south asian heritage and/or origin flying for US airlines. I know a few of them personally, including a very good friend of mine born in Iran and now flying for a major carrier here in the States. I have a hard time believing that all of a sudden one carrier has decided this is an issue.

The security checks are normally done after the interview and while the new hire is going through training. If this man was hired, on his way to training, and then told he was a security risk....I have to conclude that something came up in his background check.

Now, knowing the paranoia of our FBI and DHS I wouldn't be surprised if what came up in the background check was relatively ridiculous and not really a threat.....but that's not B6's fault. Imagine that someone who honestly has no ulterior motive and no idea that their name is on some list hearing that "they're a security risk" from the airline. They'd probably assume that the airline is being racist and make allegations like this. Considering that it would be true to form for the FBI/DHS to say nothing more to the airline than "possible security risk", I'm not really surprised someone would just assume it was merely because of their race.

= Thanks for the rationality of your post.

-A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6596 times:

This guy should win if he can prove it.

Hunter



Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
User currently offlineJamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1010 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6338 times:

I agree that Jet Blue is going to have a hard time wiggling out of this one. It apears that some managers in their HR department may need some additional cultural sensitivity training. This guy obviously had passed a TSA-mandated background check if he was employed with FlyI for six years. Additionally, Jet Blue had already sent the guy a letter accepting him into their flight training program. Just because one is Muslim, doesn't mean that they should be compared to the 9/11 perpetrators. This guy is an American citizen of Pakistani origin. He has been raised in the U.S. since the age of seven. The 9/11 perpetrators were foreigners in the U.S. on student visas. The perception is that this guy was discriminated against based on his religion and national origin. It will be a very compelling case to follow, and I hope he prevails, should what he has publicly stated, turns out to be factual.


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User currently offlineJetBlueNYFL From United States of America, joined May 2006, 274 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5670 times:

I forgot to say, remember back in the fall of 2003, jetBlue was slammed with lawsuits for "violating their privacy policy"??? Well, while this is a very serious matter, that was a much bigger case - involving millions of people. Many were quick to bash jetBlue and say they will lose tens of millions of dollars and very loyal customers over this. All that was said before any facts were released and before the court listened to all sides of the case....similar to what is happening now. It's way too early for anyone to take sides in this. Anything can happen. We simple don't know enough about it yet.


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User currently offlineRyanAFAMSP From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5618 times:

How about we try to navigate our way through the ignorance and racism here to actually examine the way the airline industry works.

If the conversation the pilot has recounted is true, the most damaging piece of the narrative for jetBlue is that the flight manager answered the question "Is this because of where I am from?" affirmatively. It is possible that this person failed his background check. But that failure would be due to a particular incident in his past. Ethnicity and religion are not items that could make a pilot fail his background check in any case. The fact that the manager indicated that the dismissal was due to his ethnicity is a sign of a major problem.

Also, as someone else alluded to, the security problem would have to be very new if he passed his 20-year background check at ACA after 9/11. He would have to have been involved in a very recent security-related incident.

Finally, the idea that jetBlue should have just done a better job of covering up its racism, making up a fake excuse to deny this opportunity, is ridiculous. If the accusations are true, this case will help all the airlines become much better and safer workplaces by ending racist employment practices.


User currently offlineKiramakora From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5538 times:

Just a thought, why don't we wait for all the facts to come out?

User currently offlineIH8B6 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 208 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

Okay, back to topic again:

Well, hell must be freezing over because I can't believe I am about to defend good ol' Jetpoo……BUT:

With the number of frivolous, stupid, outlandish, money hungry lawsuits filed in these great United States, has anyone consider that this particular lawsuit and the supposed quotes that the Jetpoo hiring manager said are all MADE UP and this is one of those frivolous, stupid, outlandish, money hungry lawsuits???????



Over-moderation sucks
User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3627 times:

I have just had to remove the bulk of the posts from this thread. I would remind everyone that this is the Civil Aviation Forum, not the Non Aviation Forum. If you want to discuss the issues of terrorism or the war in Lebanon, please do so there. Further off topic posts in this thread will attract a strong penalty.

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4060 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

I'm quite certain that part of this litigation stems from meeting a slick tort attorney who promised gazillions of $$$! Most delayed filings (this one was 5 months after the fact I believe), are a result of such unscrupulous legal practices. For the most part I look at this as an example of daily hirings/firings that take place in corporate America. This gentlemen I'm sure was well qualified to fly an A320 or EMB-190 for B6 given his background and years with IndyAir. My only thinking is that they liked him and had made a preliminary offer and then rescinded it based on a background check showing something they did not like. Lets be real here, would you feel comfortable hiring a pilot that you later determined had a DUI/DWI conviction given all of the high profile cases that have come out with pilots violating FAA rules governing alcohol consumption prior to duty? Background checks usually take longer to do since they involve more than just credit that is easily accessible from Equifax, Experian or TRW, but also criminal checks. It would be nice if the big three credit reporting agencies could pull up some of this information for such hiring decisions faster so one doesn't have to offer a job and then rescind it which appears to be the case here. I feel for the guy, but the US is just too litigation happy, given the power and influence of the Association of Trial Lawyers of America. Also keep in mind that any employment offer and continuing status depends on job performance during a probationary period. Often times union protections can't even cover someone until this probationary period is passed. The rookie year is the best year to get rid of someone you think will be a liability over the long run. I would think that this precedent will help defend JetBlue in this case. I've seen people dismissed during probation in US federal employment quite often, and it is better in such an instance to part with them than have a 30 year mistake on your hands.


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User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

It's difficult to make a judgement from where we're all sitting. On one hand, it would appear that B6 made a huge blunder in saying what they said, as per the pilot's allegations. But on the other, I'd find it hard to believe that any large company would do such a thing so brazenly (knowing what the consequences would surely be). I'd be more inclined to believe that there's something definitely missing from the puzzle.

Quoting IH8B6 (Reply 14):
Well, hell must be freezing over because I can't believe I am about to defend good ol' Jetpoo

I'll go get my jacket. Oh, and it's jetBlue, thanks.



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5097 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3290 times:

How about this ... the guy is flagged a security risk because of some random thing that pops up. He goes to the HR guy who lets it slip that there was something ... and of course thinking because he is Muslim, extrapolates its his religion. Not necessarily a racist guy, but circumstances can make us say/do things.

-A.

PS: Either way, I think I am curious now to see what the security report said about the dude.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineBrdcessna From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

Quoting Jamake1 (Reply 10):
Just because one is Muslim, doesn't mean that they should be compared to the 9/11 perpetrators. This guy is an American citizen of Pakistani origin. He has been raised in the U.S. since the age of seven. The 9/11 perpetrators were foreigners in the U.S. on student visas. The perception is that this guy was discriminated against based on his religion and national origin.

Goes back to another post of mine on another thread, How America is still hiding behind the 9/11 curtain. If this is true B6 may be in a world of hurt. But since it is early in this matter I will sit back quietly and await the courts decision. If the guy has been flying for six years already,

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 17):
It's difficult to make a judgement from where we're all sitting. On one hand, it would appear that B6 made a huge blunder in saying what they said, as per the pilot's allegations. But on the other, I'd find it hard to believe that any large company would do such a thing so brazenly (knowing what the consequences would surely be). I'd be more inclined to believe that there's something definitely missing from the puzzle.

Well said.


User currently offlineSamair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2987 times:

Its awful that they have chose not to employ him because of his religion it isnt his fault what so ever but other people in his religion have done terrorism related activities


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User currently offlineThetuna From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

Too much speculation. Let's wait for the facts to come out.


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