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Rumor: Egyptair To Order ERJ-170s  
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3412 times:

There are reports that Egyptair are close to placing an order for 6 Embraer ERJ-170 aircraft from the Brazilian manufacturer. The airline is expected to take up options for a further 4 aircraft with the option of changing them to larger Embraer jets. Deliveries are expected to start in May 2007. The aircraft will be configured with 74 seats in an all economy layout.

The E-170 has visited Egypt twice in the past during the Avex Airshows held in Sharm El Sheikh Airport. Brazilian ambassador at Cairo, Elim Dutra, who attended this year's airshow stated, the Embraer 170 "is the kind of airplane that the Egyptian government wants to buy". The reason for that, according to him, is because the jet is adequate both for domestic transportation of passengers, as for medium distance international flights.

"In other words, it would be perfect for journeys in the Middle East, to go to Greece, for example. It can equally fly to Stockholm (Sweden). It is also an ideal plane for short flights, to go from Cairo to Luxor, Aswan, or Sharm El Sheikh,"



MS would be the second Middle Eastern carrier to order the Embraer Jet following SV but there have been rumours that both RJ and ME will order the aircraft.


On a personal note, I hope this order materialises and the situation in the Lebanon and ever increasing fuel prices don't effect the airline's plan. However Egyptair's Chairman Atef Abdelhamid stated only last week that the airline still plans to double it's fleet size by 2010.




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User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1113 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
MS would be the second Middle Eastern carrier to order the Embraer Jet following SV but there have been rumours that both RJ and ME will order the aircraft

Actually, MS would be the THIRD carrier in the Middle East to order the E-series from Embraer.

SV has ordered the E170
RJ has ordered the E195, 7 examples

Making MS the third carrier in the region.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

Yes off course, I forgot about RJ's order Royal Jordanian Confirm Embraer 195 Order (by PanAm_DC10 Mar 22 2006 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3351 times:
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hey Horus
a7'barak
Great news, i wish they will place that order, I was just thinking about it this morning, I beleive that the ERJ will fit MS specially for domestic and some short middel east routes like Tel Aviv and some Short Europe routes.
hopefully we will see this coming soon.

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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3332 times:

Many thanks Horus for this info.
Even , if it's out of this topic , do you know when MS will place their order for A350s or 787s ?


User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3328 times:
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Quoting FCKC (Reply 4):
do you know when MS will place their order for A350s or 787s ?

if MS is going for wide bodies mostly they will go for A330, it fits more for their extension planes for now.
even thou and i'm sure Horus agrees that it's so hard to predict what the airline can do, they can change their mind in a second.
but so far it would be the A330

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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 3):
hey Horus
a7'barak

A7san Minak  Wink

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 3):
Great news, i wish they will place that order, I was just thinking about it this morning, I beleive that the ERJ will fit MS specially for domestic and some short middel east routes like Tel Aviv and some Short Europe routes.

Well the relationship between Egyptair and Air Cairo (MSC) is getting quite frosty. The original plan was for MSC to take over MS's domestic and regional services which now seems unlikely. MSC still have 4 171-seater A320s on order (first arriving next month-a new livery is expected) but there's still talk of them ordering ATRs. So one could ask where will these ATRs be deployed if MS go for ERJ-170s? However it's likely that the B735s will start leaving once the Embraer jets arrive.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 3):
hopefully we will see this coming soon.

I've heard from one source that the order has already been placed and all we're waiting for is a public announcement. Only time will tell.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 4):
Many thanks Horus for this info.

Merci Beaucoup

Quoting FCKC (Reply 4):
Even , if it's out of this topic , do you know when MS will place their order for A350s or 787s ?

Earlier this year there were talk that 7 A332s would be ordered. There are also internal rumours that the 3 A342s will be replaced with 3 B777s.

Now regarding the A350/B787 issue. The MS Chairman has stated the plan to double the fleet by 2010 so it's unlikely the new airliners will figure in the immediate round of aircraft orders. By the end of the decade Egyptair will operate B738s/B777s and A32Xs/A332s (unless there is a radical fleet change) which will put both the B787 and A350 on equal footing so it will all depend on which offers the best economics.


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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

Shoukran jazilan Horus for your explanation.

Yes i also heard here at the MS station in Orly , they still have in sight to order 7 more 330s.But with MS.......we are only sure of something , when the contract is signed , not before !!!!!!!!!! Seems the same matter as Aeroflot !!!

Probably we will see a split order for A350s and 787s , as Egyptair always split their order between USA and Europe.


Great to hear Air Cairo will perhaps get a new livery.
For your info their first A320-214 (CFM56 engines) is C/N 2937.
I also wonder how they could compete with ATRs if MS go to ERJs !!!!!

Do you know the load factor of the ATR72 Sunair ?
Perhaps it's hard to know , but have you some idea if this airline works well?


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 7):
Shoukran jazilan Horus for your explanation.

And thank you for your insightful contributions

Quoting FCKC (Reply 7):
Yes i also heard here at the MS station in Orly , they still have in sight to order 7 more 330s.But with MS.......we are only sure of something , when the contract is signed , not before !!!!!!!!!! Seems the same matter as Aeroflot !!!

Oh I agree. Egyptair's decision making 'style' makes it every fan's nightmare due to its unpredictability...even to its own airline staff.

Regarding ORY, MS will upgrade their weekly LXR-ORY-LXR service (MS795/796) from the A320 to the B777 this winter, representing a 221% increase in seat capacity. Even though the aircraft is configured with an F class, the airline will only be selling C and Y class tickets (F class seats will be reserved for full fare C class passengers and MS frequent flyers). Incidentally it seems Air Austral will be operating their CDG-LXR-CDG B777 in the winter too.

Egyptair also want to increase their CAI-ORY flights from 7 to 9x weekly flight but can't obtain the relevant slots at Orly.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 7):
Probably we will see a split order for A350s and 787s , as Egyptair always split their order between USA and Europe.

I don't think we'll see both the B787 and A350 in MS colour. It'll either be one or the other. But which one is open to debate.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 7):
Great to hear Air Cairo will perhaps get a new livery.
For your info their first A320-214 (CFM56 engines) is C/N 2937.

Well the new livery is speculation as the airline tries to distance itself from MS. When the first A320 arrives, it's sole wet-leased A321 SU-GBV will return to Egyptair (A320 SU-GCL will remain in the fleet). The 4 A320s will arrive in 6 month intervals.

FCKC, do you know when in September the aircraft will arrive?

Quoting FCKC (Reply 7):
I also wonder how they could compete with ATRs if MS go to ERJs !!!!!

It's possible MSC will scarper this plan and concentrate on charter A320 flights.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 7):
Do you know the load factor of the ATR72 Sunair ?
Perhaps it's hard to know , but have you some idea if this airline works well?

To be honest I don't know however I'd say they are doing well since many seats are sold in bulk to travel agencies and tour operators. http://www.sunair-eg.com/ has information on their schedule which is extensive.

Sister company, Koral Blue Airlines, should begin A320 charters ops in October.


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User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

MS once seriously considered adding CRJ 700s if I'm not mistaken. apparently they have chosen Embraer to supply regional jet aircraft.

will they mainly use this bird on regional routes, or would MS use them on thinner routes to Europe perhaps?

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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 9):
MS once seriously considered adding CRJ 700s if I'm not mistaken. apparently they have chosen Embraer to supply regional jet aircraft.

Back in 2003 MS were considering the ERJ145, CRJ200 and Dash8-300 before the plan for 50 seater aircraft was cancelled.

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 9):
will they mainly use this bird on regional routes, or would MS use them on thinner routes to Europe perhaps?

Hard to tell. Personally I think the only European destination currently served that could see MS ERJ-170s would be LCA.


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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
There are reports that Egyptair are close to placing an order for 6 Embraer ERJ-170 aircraft from the Brazilian manufacturer

Great news for MS and Embraer . Egyptair continues to surprise us with its management's unexpected decisions .
I guess this is the right choice if they are planning to run ( shuttle ) services between CAI and the likes of SSH,HRG and LXR and free up the medium-haul and long-haul fleet to do their real job .

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
However Egyptair's Chairman Atef Abdelhamid stated only last week that the airline still plans to double it's fleet size by 2010

Horus , so the rumours we heard at the beginning of this year that MS is planning to double its fleet within 3 years are becoming more and more true than wishful thinking .

What do you think about 2-3 Embraer flights a day to the likes of Amman,Damascus and Beirut ?



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User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3462 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

It is appropriate for frequent domestic shuttles ! CAI/ALX-SSH/HRG/LXR services...

User currently offlineSU184 From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 235 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 8):
Well the new livery is speculation as the airline tries to distance itself from MS. When the first A320 arrives, it's sole wet-leased A321 SU-GBV will return to Egyptair (A320 SU-GCL will remain in the fleet). The 4 A320s will arrive in 6 month intervals

Air Cairo will receive the first 2 new A320's in November and December this year, the new livery still have the same colours as Egyptair with the Pyramids featuring on the tail and in the name. They have already signed the maintenance agreement for the new aircrafts with MS, no announced plans to severe the relations with MS as they are 60% shareholder.

The 6 70-seaters are mentioned in the last issue of Horus magazine ( Egyptair inflight magazine ) but not specified as ERJ-170's, it is expected to be announced very shortly.


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2174 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2913 times:
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Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 9):
MS once seriously considered adding CRJ 700s if I'm not mistaken.

What made them turn it down (apart from less shoulder room than on the E-jets, of course)? I'm sure BBD offered attractive prices.



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 11):

Great news for MS and Embraer . Egyptair continues to surprise us with its management's unexpected decisions .
I guess this is the right choice if they are planning to run ( shuttle ) services between CAI and the likes of SSH,HRG and LXR and free up the medium-haul and long-haul fleet to do their real job .

Surprising yes but not unexpected (in my opinion). If MS intend to continue domestic and regional services in their own right than a suitable B735 has to be found...and quick. The A318/B736 aircraft would provide communality with MS's A320s and B738s but they're not economical. Embraers and Bombardier/ATR turboprops are the forerunners to replace our BabyBoeings. Even though they offer less capacity, they are efficient aircraft allowing for high frequency services. And as you said using these aircraft on CAI-SSH and CAI-LXR routes will free up some widebodies for better utilisation on the long haul market.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 11):
Horus , so the rumours we heard at the beginning of this year that MS is planning to double its fleet within 3 years are becoming more and more true than wishful thinking .

I have no doubt Egyptair is improving vastly but it's important they keep up the pace. Unfortunately they have quite a bit to catch up on.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 11):
What do you think about 2-3 Embraer flights a day to the likes of Amman,Damascus and Beirut ?

Absolutely. I'd also like to see these Embraers used on strengthening and growing operations out of Alexandria. A large and under-served market.

Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 12):
It is appropriate for frequent domestic shuttles ! CAI/ALX-SSH/HRG/LXR services...

I'd imagine domestic and short regional services will get the 70-seaters.

Quoting SU184 (Reply 13):
the new livery still have the same colours as Egyptair with the Pyramids featuring on the tail and in the name.

When will SU-GCL get the new livery? That 'Air Cairo' sticker they have at the moment looks cheap.

Quoting SU184 (Reply 13):
no announced plans to severe the relations with MS as they are 60% shareholder.

I have no doubt MS will try and keep a tight grip on MSC for as long as possible.


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

I would like to MS get the 170. Its a joy to fly in and the seating is comfy. MS pax will that jet.

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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 16):
I would like to MS get the 170. Its a joy to fly in and the seating is comfy. MS pax will that jet.

I have yet to have the privilege of flying on an Embraer jet, but I've only heard positive feedback from airlines and passengers alike. They are the perfect aircraft for the efficient operation of a high frequency, short distance operation (e.g. CAI-SSH or CAI-BEY).


And I don't quite understand what you meant by "MS pax will that jet"


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User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2754 times:
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Quoting Horus (Reply 6):
A7san Minak

mazonesh :P bass el 7amd llah :P :P

Quoting Horus (Reply 15):
Surprising yes but not unexpected (in my opinion). If MS intend to continue domestic and regional services in their own right than a suitable B735 has to be found...and quick. The A318/B736 aircraft would provide communality with MS's A320s and B738s but they're not economical. Embraers and Bombardier/ATR turboprops are the forerunners to replace our BabyBoeings. Even though they offer less capacity, they are efficient aircraft allowing for high frequency services. And as you said using these aircraft on CAI-SSH and CAI-LXR routes will free up some widebodies for better utilisation on the long haul market.

Even Though i don't like to say i agree with Horus :P but i do agree this time.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 11):

Ezayak ya gamil.

Quoting SU184 (Reply 13):
Air Cairo will receive the first 2 new A320's in November and December this year, the new livery still have the same colours as Egyptair with the Pyramids featuring on the tail and in the name.

is there any one painted yet? when it suppose to be revealed.

Quoting Horus (Reply 15):
I have no doubt Egyptair is improving vastly but it's important they keep up the pace. Unfortunately they have quite a bit to catch up on.

yea they have lots of work to do, specially with the competition going from EK QR, TK.

last week i had couple of friends who works as FA on MS, they were on duty on the route CAI-JFK-CAI, what amazes me is that they stayed only for one day in NYC which brought the question about cutting the layover time it used to be 3 days now its 1 day, they even told me that most of the flights less than 4 hours they don't get off the plane. seems to me that Ms is cutting cost trying to save money for the expansion.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 16):
I would like to MS get the 170. Its a joy to fly in and the seating is comfy. MS pax will that jet.

I do agree, lets hope for the best.

Quoting Horus (Reply 17):
I have yet to have the privilege of flying on an Embraer jet, but I've only heard positive feedback from airlines and passengers alike. They are the perfect aircraft for the efficient operation of a high frequency, short distance operation (e.g. CAI-SSH or CAI-BEY).

I did fly them and they are really nice aircraft to be on, Trust me Horus you will love it.

Quoting Horus (Reply 17):
And I don't quite understand what you meant by "MS pax will that jet"

I think he means MS Pax will love that Jet

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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 18):
Ezayak ya gamil.

I am stil alive ya abou el cabaten  Smile

Quoting Horus (Reply 15):
Embraers and Bombardier/ATR turboprops are the forerunners to replace our BabyBoeings

It is about time to replace the Baby Boeings , with their current condition they were starting to become a shame to the Airline . A lot of Airlines prefer Embraer over the Canadian Bombardier . You may laugh at me but i prefer wing-mounted engines Aircraft (like Embraer) to tail-mounted ones (like Bombardier) just from the aesthetic standpoint .

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 18):
last week i had couple of friends who works as FA on MS, they were on duty on the route CAI-JFK-CAI, what amazes me is that they stayed only for one day in NYC which brought the question about cutting the layover time it used to be 3 days now its 1 day, they even told me that most of the flights less than 4 hours they don't get off the plane. seems to me that Ms is cutting cost trying to save money for the expansion.

I think 3 days lay over is way too much , OS F/A's have a 3 day lay over in YYZ but that's because they only fly 3-4 times a week between VIE and YYZ .
But with a daily MS CAI-JFK-CAI , it is not practical to have a 3 days lay over at NYC . By the way what was the F/A's opinion about it ?

So with 6 Embaer on order with more on option , more A330's and B777's ( as rumoured ) , opening their new hub at CAI's Terminal 3 in 2007 and an expected expansion plan , MS is in for some fun times .



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User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2715 times:
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Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 19):
But with a daily MS CAI-JFK-CAI , it is not practical to have a 3 days lay over at NYC . By the way what was the F/A's opinion about it ?

They used to have 3 days lay over before they became Daily, actually i was with a group of 5 FAs they were really a nice group, but they weren't too happy about it, but honestly it makes sense that way, doesn't make sense to spend all that time, plus i count it as almost 2 days, the flight arrives at 3:15 pm they make it to the hotel at about 5:00 pm they can rest and go out at night or sleep the night, and then they have the second day all for themselves, and then on the third day their flight is at 6:15 pm the pickup time was 3:00 pm so you still have time to do what ever you wanna do in the morning.



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 18):
mazonesh :P bass el 7amd llah :P :P

Hahaha, ma3lesh. ' 7alee always says "A7san Minak" whenever I ask him how he is...lol...Egyptian sence of humour

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 18):
Even Though i don't like to say i agree with Horus :P but i do agree this time.

Great minds Tut...great minds (not forgetting MSYYZ off course)

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 18):
is there any one painted yet? when it suppose to be revealed.

As FCKC said the A320 is c/n 2937 so don't expect to see the new livery for a while. I'm definitely looking forward to the unveiling. I've always found it strange that no Egyptian carrier has incorporated the Pyramids into their livery considering how it's strongly associated to Egypt. It's a real shame Pharaoh Airlines aren't around.


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Their livery had a distinct Egyptian feel to it, wouldn't you agree?

I also hope Air Cairo do something about their website. It's a waste of webspace as it is. They should take a leaf out of Sun Air, Air Memphis and PAS's websites.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 18):
yea they have lots of work to do, specially with the competition going from EK QR, TK.

I don't really see TK as a threat because even though they are expanding rapidly their product isn't exceptional. EK, EY and QR on the other hand are definite competition because not only are they fast expanding but they have deep pockets and are operating within MS's most lucrative market (i.e. the Middle East and Gulf).

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 18):
last week i had couple of friends who works as FA on MS, they were on duty on the route CAI-JFK-CAI, what amazes me is that they stayed only for one day in NYC which brought the question about cutting the layover time it used to be 3 days now its 1 day, they even told me that most of the flights less than 4 hours they don't get off the plane. seems to me that Ms is cutting cost trying to save money for the expansion.

Good on MS management. There's no reason to have crew stay 3 days in a foreign country and pay their costs in valuable hard currency. MS's bloated workforce is already a burden on the airline's finances and these extra 'luxuries' are unwarranted in this day and age. That's way I'm glad MS will have no more 1x weekly CAI-Europe-CAI flights this winter when CAI-BRU, CAI-SXF and CAI-DUS all go upto to 2x weekly. Even though F/As on SXF and DUS flights won't get layovers, BRU will continue to see 2-3 day layovers. I really don't want to sound harsh because I know MS's cabin crew have been doing a great job recently but the reality of today's industry means cost cutting is a vital survival tool.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 18):
I did fly them and they are really nice aircraft to be on, Trust me Horus you will love it.

Well the interiors look fantastic. The jet like feel on a regional is a plus IMO.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 19):
It is about time to replace the Baby Boeings , with their current condition they were starting to become a shame to the Airline . A lot of Airlines prefer Embraer over the Canadian Bombardier .

I have to be one of the very few who loves the B735s. On my last trip in Egypt I was determined to fly the B735 again but when I realised the B777 was also an option on the route I had to go with the big jet...but now I feel guilty because the babyboeings won't be around for much longer. But I agree they are old and tatty now and in real need for replacements especially when they are still used to destinations like FCO.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 19):
You may laugh at me but i prefer wing-mounted engines Aircraft (like Embraer) to tail-mounted ones (like Bombardier) just from the aesthetic standpoint .

Oh I agree 100% with that. The Embraers are by far more 'pleasing to the eye' from the outside. And more importantly the interiors are more spacious and comfortable. But when it comes to making decisions, with today's fuel prices, what looks 'nice' won't be considered.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 19):
So with 6 Embaer on order with more on option , more A330's and B777's ( as rumoured ) , opening their new hub at CAI's Terminal 3 in 2007 and an expected expansion plan , MS is in for some fun times .

Let's just hope MS place these orders soon and end the agonising wait. I have a gut feeling the expected delay in the opening of T3 will have a serious (but not long term) effect on MS's plan.


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