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May I Please Get A History Lesson: ProAir  
User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/proair.htm

Am I missing something here?


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User currently offlineCha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 783 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Can't answer your question, but I still can't get over this quote at the bottom in the "Comparison" section:

"1993- Alaska de-ices aircraft with vodka in Russia. No monetary fine."

WTF??!!



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User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1737 times:

It sounds like a very biased argument in favor of ProAir. Admittedly, I don't know much about the airline, but I'll see what I can find on their history (what they were about, etc). I do remember them flying into BWI for a while.


Fierce, Fabulous, and Flawless ;)
User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24958 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1725 times:
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Quoting SHUPirate1 (Thread starter):
Am I missing something here?

I'm confused. ProAir was based in Des Moines. Why would it come under the jurisdiction of the Seattle FAA?

The FAA is a federal organization, based in DC. If ProAir thought they were getting the rough end of the pineapple, why didn't they lodge a complaint with the FAA in DC?

Or take it to court - it is difficult to keep anything quiet these days.

It sounds like a grudge against the FAA to me.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1979 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

Mariner,

Pro Air was based out of Detroit City Airport, Detroit, MI. Seattle was where the HQ, Dispatch, MX Control and all of the main functions of the airline were based. Not sure where Des Moines came up, though there is a Des Moines, WA in the Seattle area that may be where Mr. Stamper had his residence (my recollection was north of the city, but it's been 10 years since I was at his house).

Now, as far as the story goes, it's not a grudge against the FAA, though this is how the story is somewhat written. I've held off saying much about the Pro Air story as I still would like to write a full fledged novel about my time there, from start-up to the actions that happened as noted on the website provided by SHUPirate...but I will say this. Grudges, when held by people with power, can do much harm.

The pilots, fellow dispatchers and flight attendants, along with the countless other staff members of Pro Air that fought long and hard to keep the airline running when these things were occuring, deserved a much better fate than the grudges that were bestowed unknowingly upon them.

JSD
Pro Air '96-00



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24958 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1708 times:
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Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 4):
Not sure where Des Moines came up,

Brain fart - the mind said Detroit, the fingers typed Des Moines.

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 4):
Seattle was where the HQ, Dispatch, MX Control and all of the main functions of the airline were based.

Seattle, Washington? If that is so, I'm sure they had good reasons for it, but it seems odd - unrealistic. My memory is that they never - or hardly ever - flew west of the Big River.

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 4):
deserved a much better fate than the grudges that were bestowed unknowingly upon them.

Why any grudge? Whose grudge? And how can the Seattle FAA over-rule the fed main office?

If you intend to write a book about it, I don't expect you to reveal anything here. But I have to say, as a writer of fiction I am raising my eyebrows at some the stories in the thread starter's link.

There are times when bad things happen to good people. It is tough to accept sometimes, but sometimes it is just that.

I'll go away now.  Smile

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

I had a feeling that this was only half of the story...that said, however, it seemed just too detailed and backed-up by facts to be entirely fabricated.

I gotta admit, I wasn't even initially looking at this originally. I was doing a google search on the Alaska C.H.A.O.S. activity back in 1993, and this came up, and my mouth dropped about 15 feet.



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9601 posts, RR: 69
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1606 times:
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ProAir was indeed based in Seattle, even though they didn't fly here until (almost) the end.

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