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Plot To Blow Up Aircraft Inflight Foiled  
User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 28665 times:

Quote:
A major terrorist plot to blow up planes in mid-flight has been disrupted by police, Scotland Yard says.
It is thought the plan was to detonate explosive devices smuggled on board aircraft in hand luggage.

During the night, police arrested a number of people in London after a counter-terrorist operation they said had lasted several months.

Police believe the attacks would have been particularly targeted at flights from the UK to the US.

The Department for Transport said security at all UK airports has been increased.

Passengers on all flights will not be allowed to take any hand luggage on to any flights in the UK.

Only the barest essentials - including passports and wallets - will be allowed to be carried on board in transparent plastic bags.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778575.stm

Just saw it on the BBC Breakfast news.

I guess we can expect a whole lot of delays today and in the coming days.

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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 28652 times:

Always eerie to hear but honestly not surprising. It's probably only a matter of time before someone attempts (and possibly succeeds) in earnest. Makes you wonder how many plots there are that don't get reported.

I'll reserve other comments for the non-av forum.


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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4090 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 28586 times:
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Update on the initial BBC story:

BBC journalist Joe Lynam encountered the increased security measures at Gatwick airport.

"I was handed a piece of paper saying that pretty much nothing could be taken on board the plane," he said.

"Everything had to be checked in and that includes mobile phones, ipods, wallets - even spectacle cases had to be checked in."



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User currently offlineAlphonze From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2005, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 28560 times:

Insanity. Utter, utter insanity. The day they tell me I must check my laptop and my book is the day I turn around from the check-in desk and go back home. With every passing day I am increasingly grateful that I have left the UK behind. Hurrah for Hong Kong, where one can still get metal cutlery airside (if one asks nicely).

User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 28528 times:

Stupid move (IMO) to have everything checked in. Just cuz you don't have to flip a switch doesn't mean something can't detonate. Way to tip off the terrorists, guys! IIRC, Pan Am 103's explosives were triggered by a barometric device that went off at a certain altitude.

What's next, no clothes? FWIW, I still blame the terrorists...


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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4006 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 28528 times:

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 2):

BBC journalist Joe Lynam encountered the increased security measures at Gatwick airport.

"I was handed a piece of paper saying that pretty much nothing could be taken on board the plane," he said.

"Everything had to be checked in and that includes mobile phones, ipods, wallets - even spectacle cases had to be checked in."

Let's hope this measure is short lived as I was planning to stop in London and visit some friends on my way back home to Houston in Oct. I'll be damned if I am going to surrender $10K worth of photo equipment to ground personel only to be tossed into the LD3 container along with a ton of other bags. If that is the case I'll make arrangements and head back to H-Town via LAX or SFO.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4778575.stm

Thomas



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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4090 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28472 times:
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Quoting 777fan (Reply 4):
Stupid move (IMO) to have everything checked in. Just cuz you don't have to flip a switch doesn't mean something can't detonate.

We should wait for further details before making this kind of judgement. Perhaps the device in question is mechanical/chemical rather than eletric or electronic to avoid detection, and flipping some sort of switch (in the vaguest sense of the expression) is the only way of activating it... in which case distance alone is enough to render it harmless.

Or perhaps it is indeed overreaction... And I truly hope it is, as no doubt everyone else does.

[Edited 2006-08-10 07:47:47]


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User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28444 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 4):
What's next, no clothes?

That would make an interesting flight!
 Wink  Big grin


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28422 times:

BTW, Fox News here in the US is reporting that up to 20 aircraft were to be blown up. FWIW, CNN here is running Anderson Cooper's 360!

The feed from SkyNews claims that flights between the UK and 10 US cities were to be targeted.

777fan

[Edited 2006-08-10 07:54:56]


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User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 904 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28355 times:

That will be interesting when the Ryanair/Easyjet passengers checkin after being told they can take 15kgs carry on and if you want to check stuff in it will cost!! Also Flybe. I expect many arguments when they want you to pay for a bag that is a carryon!!!

User currently offlineWard86IND From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28355 times:

Quoting Alphonze (Reply 4):
Insanity. Utter, utter insanity. The day they tell me I must check my laptop and my book is the day I turn around from the check-in desk and go back home. With every passing day I am increasingly grateful that I have left the UK behind. Hurrah for Hong Kong, where one can still get metal cutlery airside (if one asks nicely).

Oh, so you would rather be blown to pieces at 35,000 feet? Come on...I'm a diabetic so I would have a REAL problem if something like this were to happen when I fly, but I wouldn't bitch because it would be in the best interest of everyone's safety. Besides I'm sure it's only temporary. Congrats to the police on the bust.

[Edited 2006-08-10 08:03:05]


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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4014 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28355 times:

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/flightops/public/en_gb


"British Airways, acting on instruction from the UK Government, wishes to advise passengers that no items of hand baggage can be carried on board any aircraft departing any UK airport.

The UK Government has advised that this instruction will apply to all airlines operating from UK airports.

Passengers may only take through the airport security search point, the following items:

Travel documents essential for the journey (eg passports, tickets and visas)

Pocket sized wallets and pocked sized purses plus contents (for example money, credit cards and identity cards). Handbags are not permitted.

Prescribed medicines essential for the duration of the flight, except in liquid form unless verified as authentic.

Spectacles and sunglasses, without cases.

Contact lenses, without bottles of solution

For those traveling with an infant: baby food, milk and sanitary items essential for the flight.

Keys (but no electrical key fobs).

Every other item must be carried in customer�s hold luggage.

For clarity, passengers are advised that no electrical or battery powered items including laptops, mobile phones, ipods, remote controls etc can be carried in the cabin and must be checked in as hold baggage.

Customers are advised to check-in as normal but to expect delays at all UK airports.

British Airways regrets any inconvenience caused.

Any customers not complying with this Government instruction will not be accepted for travel by British Airways."


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28325 times:

Quoting Planesarecool (Thread starter):
Passengers on all flights will not be allowed to take any hand luggage on to any flights in the UK.

Is that even possible? With the amount of carry-on items, and type of baggage, that people carry with them these days, I would find it very chaotic for the pax and airports to carry this out. I'm quite sure that many pax will raise a stink when they find out that they have to leave their laptops and such in the hold. Plus the chances of the items going missing or being mixed up is mind boggling.

It would also raise the question on how reliable airport security is. An explosive device should not be able to get through securtiy as is. Of course, there is no 100% guarantee on that, but there is also no 100% guarantee on the device not making it on board through the checked baggage security.



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User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28325 times:

CNN has switched over. Home Office raises threat level to "Critical," (highest)

User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4090 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28291 times:
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Statement from the UK Department for Transport on what can and cannot be taken onboard:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...cuments/page/dft_about_612280.hcsp

It places heavy emphasis on the ban of any product in liquid form (including perfume, alcohol, etc... from duty free). Exception is made for baby milk, but only if someone accompanying the baby samples the product in front of security staff.

All passengers will be hand-searched. All passengers on US-bound flights will go through secondary screening.

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 7):
That would make an interesting flight!

Unboxed tampons carried in a transparant plastic bag in full view of everyone interesting enough?



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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28167 times:

What about all those connecting passengers, just now arriving at UK airports, with their laptops, duty free liquids, etc? Imagine these will be taken away at the gate but ... What a nightmare!

User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28167 times:

There is no question that banning carry on luggage would be a major inconvenience. Higher scrutiny of any carry on should now occur perhaps with multiple checks. Start your check in 2 to 4 hours prior to departure now folks.

I wonder what specific profile those who were arrested will fall under? I think most of us already know the answer.

If you want to go after a specific object such as carry on's, that's fine. Perhaps we should go after those specific types of individuals who would carry specific items who would possibly do harm.

Profile

Profile

Profile.

If you carry a laptop. You match the profile. You fit the description of one form the Middle East. You match the profile.

Sorry, but that's the reality of today's world.

Enjoy your trip. At least you will have your hands free.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28142 times:

Interestingly, this could make the boarding process much quicker, albeit with a very lengthy security screening.


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20751 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28100 times:

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 16):
I wonder what specific profile those who were arrested will fall under? I think most of us already know the answer.

Timothy McVeigh types?



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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4014 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28100 times:

Hmmm, pretty boring long-haul flights then, I suppose. No papers, books, iPods etc. Particularly exciting on airlines that do not or only offer crappy IFE.

In addition to that, it is fair to say that airport retailers will not have much to sell in these days...

Given the usual chaos and waits at LHR security, I do not dare to to imagine what unbelievable chaos there will be at LHR.....


User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28042 times:

Quoting Alphonze (Reply 3):
Hurrah for Hong Kong, where one can still get metal cutlery airside (if one asks nicely).

Once the terrorists learn of this loophole and use it to attack a target, prepare yourself to lose this benefit.

What's being done on the US side? Can we still check in handbags and the like, i.e. is this limited to just flights departing UK?


User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4090 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28001 times:
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UK Home Secretary made an interesting statement on TV to the effect that British MPs knew about today's events for about a month (no telling how much details they were given) and had been told that it would be made public right about now, so it would indicate that a certain element of planning went into this elevated security level, rather than a last-minute rush to avoid a terrorist attack.

On the other hand, the security level being raised to "Critical" (imminent attack likely) would indicate that despite all this planning, there's no guarantee all would-be terrorists have been rounded-up (or identified).

[Edited 2006-08-10 08:37:20]


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User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28001 times:

Look obviously this is a big inconvenience but lets remember what the results could be if this is not taken seriously.

If 20 widebody aircraft were to explode over the Atlantic or over the United States can you imagine what the result would be to commercial aviation all over the world.

And if this threat turns out to be real and it appears to be, then hat's off to our friends over in the UK for possibly saving countless lives.

Hawk44



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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28001 times:

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 11):
http://www.britishairways.com/travel/flightops/public/en_gb

It now also says this:

Customers not wishing to travel today (10Aug) can rebook to travel within the next 14 days in the same cabin. If you would like to discuss re-booking your flights, please contact your local British Airways office or travel agent, whichever issued your original travel documents.


User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4014 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 28001 times:

Ryanair has already cancelled dozens of flights for today:

http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/fltinfo.php?


25 777fan : Oh, believe me, I'd be busy watching everyone and everything in that cabin! That'd "entertain" me from start to finish! I'm waiting for the someone t
26 Planesarecool : Apparently if you want to take baby milk onboard, the mother (or father) has to drink some of the milk to proove that it is just milk and nothing else
27 Post contains images Joness0154 : Probably a threat that was using some type of liquid explosives. How they would get it by trace detection machines would be interesting to hear. Anyw
28 Vfw614 : LTN airport says that they will not allow anyone not travelling into the terminal building..... If this has been a long-planned clamp-down, I do not s
29 Hawk44 : It's a possibility that not all those involved have been caught or they are worried about a possible unknown second wave of attacks Hawk44
30 Post contains images Skidmarks : Well, I'm off to buy myself an aluminium camera case for travelling. There is no way I'm letting any hairy-arsed baggage handler throw my Lowe-Pro aro
31 Zrs70 : I guess the Duty Free shops will lose quite a bit over this.
32 Trb10 : I just cannot believe the attitude of some people on this topic, it defies belief. I expect you guys would be the first to be offering your sympathy t
33 EXAAUADL : And all you had to do to get your metal cutlery is live under Chinese communist totalitarism I suspect it would be one where components were to be sm
34 Joness0154 : I agree totally. If you need to have your laptop attached to your hip at all times, take another form of transportation. No one 'needs' their cellpho
35 TristarSteve : But BA Ops did not know. Aircraft took off from CDG DUS and MUC this morning on their way to LHR, and have returned to where they started. No BA LHR
36 Planesarecool : Was thinking the same thing. Also, if no 'non-passengers' are allowed in the terminal, then there's going to be even more chaos in the arrivals hall
37 Joness0154 : Two words: Prior planning
38 BlueFlyer : If my data is correct, not a single passenger flight has taken off from LHR yet today (as of 7:40) and BD has cancelled its entire first bank (6:00 -
39 UAL777UK : BA have stated that you cannot take any carry ons, onto its flight unless its medicine and a pocket size wallet or purse. It would make sense for tha
40 777fan : Amen!
41 Darrenthe747 : I think I might be missing something here. CNN is reporting that the threat level was raised to "Critical" meaning an imminent attack. I thought they
42 AerospaceFan : The threat level has been raised here in the United States as well as to commercial airliners flying in from Britain. If all twenty aircraft had been
43 Hawk44 : Extra cautious, and the US has just raised the alert for it's airports Hawk44
44 Kiwiandrew : which raises ( even if it is OT ) an interesting question that I have pondered about for years ... given the speed at which high speed trains operate
45 Scbriml : What if the police have failed to apprehend all those involved in the plot? Not worth the risk.
46 TK787 : Do any of the US airlines preparing for tomorrows flights to have the same rules? I know it is 3 am, but do you think some people are calling and waki
47 AerospaceFan : Fox News Alert: Homeland Security Alert Level has been officially raised to "High", or orange. This is one step below "Severe", or red. This developme
48 Darrenthe747 : Sounds like they got a few of the apprehended suspects to squeal and they have much more specific information. Scary stuff.
49 Oli80 : According to the BBC, the men arrested are of Pakistani origin. NOT someone from the Middle East! My sentiments exactly! Who cares about delays, IFE
50 Spruit : I'd be pleased at any delay for this type of incident and if I can't take hand luggage, well I'm sure there's a good reason for it! If I don't want my
51 Drinkstrolley : You have to hand it to the Intelligence Services for doing a good job, and there is no big deal if you get delayed or can't take hand luggage if it he
52 Hawk44 : Effective 4:00 a.m all liquids will be banned from all commerical flights in the United States. Airports will be on orange alert and flights coming in
53 Soups : my parents are flying LHR-AMS-ACC today just got a call from them they said its C-H-A-O-T-I-C at LHR, very long security queues, they still havent boa
54 Drinkstrolley : I must admit, would Al Quaeda try the same thing twice??? They're not daft by any means or stretch............
55 AerospaceFan : Latest: Fox News Alert (Fox News Channel): "U.S. Bannning Any Liquids From All Commercial Flights" Apparently the explosives that were contemplated in
56 Christa : Rather scary stuff to be honest. At least the plots were foiled. Regards, Chris
57 AdamTStarFlyer : Sky news is reporting that the US govt is stopping passengers on all US commercial flights from taking any liquids on board, this includes beverages,
58 777fan : Yes - at least the target. Refer to the WTC bombing in 1993. It didn't have the expected result, hence 9/11. Remember, a similar plot involving trans
59 ANother : From GVA all early morning flights departed with some delay (30-80 mins). BA729 GVA LHR at 1335 is showing cancelled. FLT TO SKED ACTUAL EZS969 LGW 0
60 AerospaceFan : This has been confirmed in a Fox News Alert from Fox News Channel, carrying Sky News live coverage but also separately anchored. Fox News Channel has
61 Soups : BBC is showing Gatwick shots instead of London heathrow. my parents are in London heathrow trying to get to Accra via AMS. tried to contacted them but
62 Wheelsatc : Have any flights departed LHR yet this morning?
63 AerospaceFan : Latest: Sky News (via Fox) says that Iberia (Spain) has cancelled all flights to the U.K., but that this decision is subject to further review.
64 777fan : BTW, I just cracked open my last Bass Ale (it's 9:30pm in Hawaii) in honor of our British compatriots! 777fan
65 Hawk44 : Yes this is true and it's going to make for some serious delays. Operation Bojinka which involved an almost exact plan of what was broken up today, t
66 Scottieprecord : Haha. Live departures on TV... someone should market this! (Skynews) But anyways. She also mentioned that Lufthansa cancelled their flights to the UK
67 Soups : update from BBC All flights from Brussels have been cancelled. majority of LH flights have been cancelled also NO FLUIDS including DRINKS are ALL flig
68 AerospaceFan : It's 12:39 a.m. (August 10) here in L.A. I'm drinking a frosty can of Miller Genuine Draft which one can say is in honor of the United States, the al
69 AdamTStarFlyer : AerospaceFan, thanks for that, just wanted to check that the media had got it right. BAA are to hold a news conference shortly according to FOX. I dou
70 AerospaceFan : You're quite welcome! Indeed. God save us all.
71 Post contains links 777fan : See, I'm not crazy! Glad to see someone else knows what's going on! Cheers! Does anyone worry that the carry-on restrictions will become a permanent
72 Post contains links AeroWesty : Can anyone interpret this? It appears Eurocontrol has cancelled all flights into LHR until 1200UTC: http://www.cfmu.eurocontrol.be/chmi_...ciahome.jsp
73 AerospaceFan : Cheers to you, as well! To answer your question: I tend to doubt it. I do believe that we should accelerate the installation of advanced scanning mac
74 BCal DC10 : heathrow closed to all incoming flights not already in the air - just on BBC.
75 Soups : LHR is now closed, no take offs allowed
76 ANstar : Who said it was Al Qaeda? And its not the same thing twice. this attempt is to blow up planes not hijack them.
77 NWDC10 : It's good they never made it in flight but where did they catch them at? At LHR or some other airport? Robert NWDC10
78 Tayloss : Where did you get that info about Heathrow being closed? I am close to the airport and the tower is still allowing take offs and landings?? Thanks, Ch
79 Soups : BBC news
80 Planesarecool : August 10th can't be a good day for BA. It was this date last year that there was similar disruption following the Gate Gourmet walkout. My friend is
81 Tayloss : They never made it to the airport and were arrested at homes in and around the London and Kent area. The highed levels are incase there is a secondar
82 Jsposaune : I'm confused...the guy on FOX just said something about no carry-ons on US flights as well. Is this true, or was he just being unclear, and really mea
83 Tayloss : Ah, just seen it.. Closed to all incoming flights that are not in the air! Ok, take offs are still going ahead.. Latest : All those arrested were Brit
84 Drinkstrolley : The objective is the same. Kill as many people as possible with a plane.
85 EXAAUADL : Al Qaeda is essentially a freelance terrorist organisation now. Anyone can commit a terror act on behalf of Al Qaeda, they dont need Osama's go ahead
86 Scottieprecord : Nice touchdown for the 777. conference in 6 min
87 Post contains images Tayloss : Yes, very nice.. anyone videoing this? Austrian airlines about to take off too
88 BCal DC10 : It has just been on BBC - now on Sky news that all inbound services suspended until further notice. 4 flights targeted - one each from LHR, GLA, MAN,
89 AerospaceFan : Yes, I just heard this from Sky News (via Fox), from the British Aviation Authority. BAA has also said that passengers should avoid coming to Heathro
90 Baguy : Yes soups is right, BBC has just announced that LHR is officialy closed.
91 Tayloss : Nope, all flights bound for Heathrow will be allowed to land..
92 Soups : Qantas is now also banning all liquids including drinks on flights to the U.S.A
93 Deltaflyertoo : No, I'm hearing that flights to Heathrow are NOT going to land at this point, esp. from the US. That means multiple AA, VS, BA and UA flights coming f
94 Soups : Just saw ''LIVE'' autrian airlines taking off on BBC
95 Aloha73G : Continental is the only airline with the advisory posted on their website as of yet. I checked, UA, AA, DL, BA, VS. -Aloha!
96 Christa : Great.... lets not hope they are able to hide in the community! Regards, Chris
97 Tayloss : I think most airlines are going to stop there flights taking off today. Still aircraft taking off at LHR and LGW.. as of 09:00 CB
98 AerospaceFan : American operators were also allegedly targeted in this plot. (Source: Sky, via Fox.)
99 Paulc : The no hand baggage seems like a total over -reaction. Do they not trust their security staff to spot something suspiscious. Are the security checks d
100 GDC2006 : Lets thank god it was a foiled attempt that has caused this disruption and not a succesful one. Well done to the security services. On a purely selfis
101 Tayloss : I am due to goto Krakow on Saturday from LGW, lets hope it calms down a bit by then.. But looking at the news, they expect this to last days! Anyone e
102 Baguy : It has been on the BA website for ages! Click on the arrivals and departures button at the top. You will find it there. BAguy
103 Scottieprecord : 20 out of 22 of the suspects caught
104 APFPilot1985 : They have proved themselves of being incapable of spotting something suspicious too many times in the past, and in light of credible and real evidenc
105 Post contains images Tayloss : I have been trying, but there are alot of people on the site and it keeps timing out! Everyone must be using it
106 Deltaflyertoo : CONFIRMED ALL flights to Heathrow are now cancelled or ordered to divert. No more flights to Heathrow indefinetly. Getting this from FOX News.
107 GBan : Who? Nobody would have much to put into the free space... If this restriction was permanent overhead bins could be removed.
108 Uadc8contrail : did i just hear this correctly???that all flts into uk airports have been suspended???
109 Planecrazy2 : These flights which departed on 8/9 should have left U.S. airspace already and should be closer to the U.K. by now if they have not arrived already.
110 Tayloss : 6 planes were going to be a target.. not the 20 they said earlier!
111 Christa : CWL will be busy today then with heavy diverts! Regards, Chris
112 Post contains links 777fan : I'm watching VIR26 on FlightAware and am wondering if it's going to be diverted: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VIR26 777fan
113 Scottieprecord : There's alot of activity going on behind the news conference at Heathrow. I thought I saw a departure... ??? -Mike
114 Deltaflyertoo : Not any flights that left the west coast in the 9pm bank. They are only 3-4 hours in, by Chicago, or Michigan.
115 Tayloss : Departures have not been cancelled, the airlines may choose to cancel the flight at this time!
116 ANother : BA723 now shown as returning to Geneva. No info re LCY/LGW flights that have already departed.
117 Soups : update from parents flying on KLM: KLM wil operate 2/3 747/777 to LHR today to pick up all passengers of the cancelled flights. also 1st one i suppose
118 Gary2880 : it was faux what can you expect. all flights from Tel Aviv have also been cancelled.
119 Samair : 18 muslims have been arrested police are looking for 2 more people and for flights out of heathrow all you can take is a pocket sized wallet travel de
120 Planecrazy2 : Is LHR closing to all arrivals or not? I just saw an AA 772 land on CNN....
121 777fan : FoxNews just reported that the departing airports in the UK involved in the plot were London, Glasgow, Birmingham and Manchester; all were destined fo
122 GDC2006 : Just seeing some pax interviewed on the news here in the UK and thankfully most of them seem to fully understand - and accept - the situation. Seems p
123 Piff : What a story to wake up to! I guess it was always a case of when not if with Heathrow. Just watching BBC News 24, and it looks like various airlines a
124 Tayloss : I have been advised that all inbound flights will be allowed to land. ATC havent issued any diverts as yet. All sectors are processing traffic normal
125 Cardiffairtaxi : I believe the US have followed suite,and increased security levels too.
126 APFPilot1985 : source? I find that very hard to believe
127 ANstar : any flights already on the way to LHR can land (ie longhaul) Any flughts not departed already are not allowed ot leave their departure airport.
128 777fan : Congrats. Welcome to a.net - sorry it had to be related to an occasion such as this. I suppose, however, that there is a sliver lining in the matter.
129 Piff : It was in BAA's statement.
130 Gary2880 : a passenger on skynews just said that no mobile phones are being allowed on to the flight not sure if he means in general or the cabin
131 Post contains images Tayloss : Looks like the Fast Bag drop is not quite as fast today
132 Post contains links APFPilot1985 : I see nothing about a CSA having to sample milk as well as this statement http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/arti...RTRUKOC_0_UK-AIRLINES-HEATHROW.xml n
133 GDC2006 : Not in the cabin, anything they are currently not allowing into the cabin are being allowed into the hold which includes mobile phones, laptops and e
134 Uadc8contrail : the airports that sky listed as possible airports where the terrorist were planning on flying out of were BHX,MAN,ABZ,GLA AND LON....doesnt CO fly alo
135 Samair : Its all fair and well you laffing from the other side of the usa but when the shoe was on the other foot we wernt laffing ,some of us who are flying
136 Gary2880 : crikey me. no spotting today then! joke for all those whos sense of humor hasnt woken up yet
137 Samair : So do I its was just told by a BAA representitive on BBc 9o'clock news
138 APFPilot1985 : The website says this: For those traveling with an infant: baby food, milk (the contents of each bottle must be tasted by the accompanying passenger)
139 Piff : Not sure if it's in a written statement. It was said during BAA's oral statement on BBC News 24 about 20 minutes ago. I can't remember him saying abo
140 Tayloss : ALL BAA short haul and European flights on HOLD until 15:00 today..
141 777fan : Laughing? Give me a break. My point was that if something isn't deemed "good enough" to be brought on board, what makes you think it's safe enough to
142 APFPilot1985 : They said another passenger or the accompanying passenger
143 Scottieprecord : Hahaha... I'm sure there will be at least one person spotting in the UK today. lol. Hopefully they'll post about their experience later. Should be in
144 Tayloss : Hey, come on guys.. let not argue over this.. this is a very serious matter.. no one is laffing about anything today..
145 Piff : I had two days off and was planning on spotting at LHR with my new camera. I think I'll leave it for sure.
146 AerospaceFan : That's no guarantee of much in the long run, though. People who are trained in these things can develop the ability to conceal their true reactions t
147 Gary2880 : im still hearing BA and eastern airways flights mooving aboote at ABZ BA71A is taking off the nooe.
148 Express1 : Skidmarks you said that the channal tunnal will be making a mint over this, well i just heard on bbcnews 24 that even the channal tunnal could be clo
149 APFPilot1985 : that was supposed to be a question
150 Nighthawk : Radio1 news just said something about all german, belgian and greek flights, plus iberia flights have been suspended. Before saying this they mentione
151 Piff : A terrorist, if determined enough, will get around any security measures. But making things more difficult will help to deter them.
152 BCal DC10 : I think the point is that whatever is in the cabin requires human intervention to cause the expolosion for example - like 2 pax taking on 2 objects,
153 Tayloss : Does anyone know if LGW have cancelled any flights? Cannot get on the BAA web site..
154 Dufo : You wanted it, you got it! Paranoia based on lack of evidence. Sorry to see it happening though..
155 777fan : Understood. My point is that if someone managed to pack a liquid explosive, it really wouldn't make a different, would it? I understand the security
156 Piff : Not really, 18 arrests says differently.
157 Post contains links Planesarecool : How useless - at a time when people will be checking whether they're going anywhere at all, BAA decide to close their site. There is www.flightarriva
158 Piff : Probably overloaded. There must be thousands trying to get on the site.
159 Tayloss : YES, tell me about it.. I cannot get any information about LGW from anywhere.. I have spoken to a couple of BAA friends and they dont know... anyone
160 777fan : Ridiculous statement. Glad to see you're willing to err on the side of complacency. Would you be a member of the crowd that would criticize officials
161 LoungeLover : Scotland Yard statement on BBC live right now. No numbers confirmed, but apparently a significant number (21 at one time) of suspects are in custody a
162 Post contains links Drinkstrolley : Flybe have been decent enough to waive their hold baggage charges for today. http://www.flybe.com/news/0608/10a.htm
163 Samair : They should catogerise the passengers into high risk and low risk and have more stringent checks on the high risk
164 Gary2880 : given the past police record we`ll see how many are convicted. at least at this point it appears no one has been shot thankfully. but im glad their t
165 AerospaceFan : I'm sorry; I misunderstood. I do not have the answer, though. True, and agreed.
166 Piff : I'm sure that would go down well right now. What would be high risk. Well, I've just read it was 25 arrests with 21 still in custody. Even compared t
167 Vfw614 : In able to assess whether the current security measures are proportionate, it would be interesting to know how it was planned to bring the explosives
168 AerospaceFan : I think that, in the alternative, they could develop a machine that could test such liquids based on their chemical signatures.
169 Post contains images 777DAD : Thanks Scotland yard, for saving many lives. Jeff [Edited 2006-08-10 11:18:35][Edited 2006-08-10 11:19:21]
170 Gary2880 : sky news are saying that blair and bush have been in contact for several weeks regarding this terror plot.
171 Samair : based on the people that have been arrested.
172 Chksix : Might have been poison chemicals that would kill everyone as soon as the bottle was opened on board. No need for detonators then. And it would look ju
173 BHXFAOTIPYYC : Arrivals from LGW LTN STN to FAO this morning running around 1 hr late but still running. BA 500 LHR LIS around 1 hrs late, but BA 496 later this afte
174 Post contains images Gary2880 : Ahem!. Just in case one is unaware for your information 2 of those airports are in Scotland. and the police organization that foiled the plot is call
175 Chris78cpr : This is f****d up. Im supposed to be flying LHR-LAX-MEL tommorrow and balls am i not taking any hand luggage. No way am i checking £12,000 worth of c
176 EMAlad : Parents are being told that they will need to taste all baby milk and food infront of an airline official before they will be allowed on the flight
177 Gary2880 : just itching to say those with brown skin and turbans aren't you.
178 Chksix : It's the truth and you know it.
179 Kevr757 : I would hardly think they would take down their site on purpose, probably can't cope with the load being placed on it!!!!![Edited 2006-08-10 11:15:21
180 GDC2006 : Chances are you aint going then matey! I also would not check in that sort of value of camera equipment, however, it looks like you'll be postponing
181 Zkeye : Its awful but true.
182 Post contains images 777DAD : Sorry no offence intended. I'm just a little worried too. PS: I edited my previous post. Have a nice day. Jeff [Edited 2006-08-10 11:19:51] [Edited 2
183 Piff : Don't fly then. This is the world we live in, and you're not special enough to bypass security measures imposed on the rest of the flying public.
184 Chris78cpr : This is totally f****d up. Spent £10,000 on a holiday and they are gonna delay me without compensation. If there are flights going via Asia ill book
185 Post contains links Gary2880 : Afraid i don't http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_bombing but sure, if you want to make separate sections for Muslims, have them treated different
186 KevR757 : Good luck fella!!!
187 GDC2006 : Yep totally fucked up but this is the world of today. I am sure you'll end up on the phone screaming at somebody from your airline because they've de
188 Chksix : They might be of any skin color but most share the same beliefs. This thread should be non-political so I'm pulling out of the discussion now...
189 Pieinthesky : Agreed. I don't see why they don't let everyone take what they want on board and blow 100's of people up. I'm sure they've got nothing better to do..
190 Hardkor : It would be interesting to know where this information has come from, how credible the threat really is. Hopefully more will be made public soon. Hard
191 Post contains images 777DAD :
192 ZKEYE : Bollocks, its a ligitimate thing to do. No its not PC where everyone is equal (regardless of the reality of the profile of people who commit this sor
193 Viv : And this kind of ignorance is usually invincible, and impervious to facts.
194 Viv : A good Muslim was he?
195 Post contains images BritPilot777 : You prat! Do you not think that the security services are doing this for a serious reason?! That they feel that it is in the best interest of passeng
196 Post contains images QR332 : Gee, shoot us while your at it, it would surley reduce the risk, wouldn't it? As for the bombings, I am not all that surprised, but it truly saddens
197 Viv : Exactly right. The vast majority of Muslims are totally opposed to terrorism. Just like the vast majority of Christians.
198 Chksix : By sharing the same beliefs I mean they all share the belief that the western world has to be destroyed by all means necessary. I agree that it's unf
199 Chris78cpr : Spoke to AA in US/UK and they claim my flight is leaving tommorrow. However they are being less than helpfull about bloody hand luggage. Just orderin
200 ZKEYE : Thats my point - profiling does not just target muslims. It targets males 18 to 40 travelling alone.
201 Viv : This is complete nonsense. It says more about the poster than about people of the Muslim faith.
202 Viv : Fair enough. No problem with that kind of profiling.
203 GDC2006 : Guess 1 day delay isn't the worst news in the world, obviously that may change though. £700!!! OUCH! (Cheaper than a funeral though - black humour s
204 TBCITDG : It really astounds me how ignorant, sell fish some A netters are around here! We have a MAJOR terrorist plot at hand ready to blow up a number of plan
205 GDC2006 : Remember though, a lot of comments are immediate reactionism (is that a word?) obviously once most people realise the severity of the situation they
206 Jumbo747 : This just in. According to BBC no inflight flites to LHR which r not in the air only cause of congestion at LHR. Whats up with NZ 2 flight departing a
207 Myt332 : Ahh, you're dans mate who I met in Didsbury! Say hello to him and tell him not to moan too much!
208 EXAAUADL : all media sources were initially reporting 20, not just Fox. Your hate is rather transparent
209 Linco22 : Geez lets not go down this road. Its simple fact - If someone wants to commit a terrorist act they do it on their own belief. Regards Colin
210 Ajd1992 : Basically middle-eastern people then? Just because somebody has dark skin and isn't atheist, the airports cannot discriminate. Would my friend, who i
211 ANother : I imagine that NZ believes that LHR will open again before tonights NZ2 is due to arrive there. That would be a good assumption IMHO.
212 N1120A : You obviously have no idea about Hong Kong Eurostar has security checks, at least at Waterloo and Gare du Nord. I agree with the first part, but not
213 Post contains links N1120A : BTW, here is a link to the TSA website, which includes the idiotic ban on toilettries. I guess I have to shove my toothpaste in the bag. http://www.ts
214 ZKEYE : That’s the crux of it - whose rights are more important? The potential victims or the profiled people who get held up in security? I know what I va
215 BHXDTW : isnt the name of this forum 'Civil Av' ?? didnt think it was called 'Lets all debate religeous issues connected to Civil Av' Please guys.... we all ha
216 Post contains images Gary2880 : i never heard anything about 20 at any point. their unfair, unbalanced and general lies are also rather transparent. which is why i would trust a gol
217 Post contains images ANother :
218 Ari : UA, CO and AA Apparently were the airlines targeted on outbound flights today aRi
219 Singapore_Air : The threats were apparently against UA, AA and CO
220 Ruirui : Yes...its such a great place Hong Kong...... it being the only airport in the world including the USA where they refused to let me on board with my d
221 Humberside : Latest reports say AA, CO, UA where to have been targeted
222 ZKEYE : Fair enough -signing out for the night. I will take it to non-av.
223 Cusaeng : yeah something happens every year !!!!!
224 GDC2006 : Just received a random email from an a.net member whom I have never spoken too wishing me good luck and to stay safe at Heathrow. As it happens I work
225 N1120A : The potential victims ARE the people who get held up in security. Get it now?
226 Planesarecool : Well i for one am extremely thankful that the plot was foiled then, as my friend is flying AA today across to Dallas. That's the good news, the bad n
227 Ari : I hope your friend gets to her destination safely and untroubled. aRi
228 Soups : LGW is now closed source BBC
229 JGPH1A : Marvellous. Let's all have a hysterical overreaction, shall we ? This would seem to imply that all the additional pain-in-the-ass security put in plac
230 N1120A : Absolutely agree, though at least you get to eat in Nice and not bad food from the Manchester Airport Pub.
231 Post contains images SK909 : Yes, well depending on who is on board. And what u look for...
232 Myt332 : It's speciality food, leave it alone!
233 Workhorse : Russian airplane bombings in 2004 were committed by women.
234 Bh4007 : JUST HEARD ON BBC (it might have been mentioned - havent had time to read whole thread) They have someone from flight international in the studio. **T
235 Post contains images Planesarecool : It's only easyJet flights from Gatwick that have been cancelled on a whole. Thank you very much, so do I!
236 Voodoo : Well it will be interesting to see how much of a threat these arrested suspects really were or if they were a bunch of bozos who were trying (or just
237 LTBEWR : While the terrorists have been at least been stopped from doing what could have been a horrible plot - the terrorists are winning. There may also be p
238 N1120A : That is still discrimination, this time based on sex. Further, I fly so much that I am a STAR Gold and I have not and will never blow up an airplane.
239 BCal DC10 : of course - that was some sort of barometric device planted in a suitcase I think, independent of a passenger activating it. Once the plane got to x
240 Post contains links Singapore_Air : Continued http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/2929301/
241 Joffie : BAA Home Important Message 10th August 2006 10:32 Due to the heightened security at UK airports, the Heathrow Airport website is currently experiencin
242 Drinkstrolley : And exactly what do you intend doing about it?
243 Vanguard : Lots of talk about 'blowing the plane up'.... but given that the authorities are interested in liquids, could they be looking for some chemical like S
244 Clipperhawaii : The profile is and can be large. Inconvenienced but safe. Would you like an airline issued tissue? Or would you rather blame the specific types of pe
245 Gman94 : One thing that is annoying me is the fact they have banned anyone taking drinks on to a flight. Sorry but I'm going to Australia soon there is no way
246 Bh4007 : THE SECURITY LEVEL IS CRITICAL - THEY SAY THAT IT COULD STILL HAPPEN!! "virgin trains will accept any passengers with a london-manchester air ticket"
247 N1120A : Again, if they could do it for non-diabilical purposes in a move like Die Hard 3, there is no reason they can't make an independantly mixing volitile
248 A320ajm : I am travelling in a BMI baby flight from Durham Tees Valley Airport 2morrow to Alicante. Does anybody have any infromation about this airline, or the
249 Post contains links Horus : Please continue the discussion here: Plot To Blow Up Aircraft Inflight Foiled [Part 2] (by Singapore_Air Aug 10 2006 in Civil Aviation) Horus Forum Mo
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