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TSA Has Done It Again - Basically Check Everything  
User currently offlineBnatraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 394 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11807 times:
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Basically, no dopp kits on domestic flights. RIDICULOUS!

And from the UK -- no more ipods, laptops, etc?

[edited to fix spelling]

[Edited 2006-08-10 15:44:03]

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User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11758 times:

Climate we live in, I'm afraid. I prefer a little bit of inconvenience to sailing downwind 37000ft sans aircraft.


It takes a big man to admit they are wrong, and I am not a big man.
User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11758 times:

Quoting Bnatraveler (Thread starter):
Basically, no dopp kits on domestic flights. REDICULOUS!

Wasn't there enough ridiculous whining in the other thread already?

Quoting Bnatraveler (Thread starter):
And from the UK -- no more ipods

Does this mean I can take my Creative MuVo? They do say laptop instead of Powerbook, so that conclusion would make sense. Maybe we should all call them and ask...


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1986 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11758 times:

Are airlines waiving their 2 checked bag rules?? If not, $$$ for the airlines.

User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11700 times:

So now we will have to buy toothpaste and mouthwash when out of town if we carry a bag onboard so looks like ramp folks are gonna be getting much more luggage and we can close all the overhead....faster boarding for sure! So who is going to pay for the broken laptops that are now going to be checked as luggage when you open them up and they don't work? That will be the next thing to go out of the carry on list as it has in the UK today.

[Edited 2006-08-10 15:34:19]


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User currently offlinePensacolaguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11645 times:

Quoting Bnatraveler (Thread starter):
And from the UK -- no more ipods, laptops, etc?

No more camera's?

NO LIQUIDS OR GELS OF ANY KIND WILL BE PERMITTED IN CARRY-ON BAGGAGE. ITEMS MUST BE IN CHECKED BAGGAGE. This includes all beverages, shampoo, suntan lotion, creams, tooth paste, hair gel, and other items of similar consistency.

Lets hope you DON'T loose your checked baggage....
And loose all your hygiene/vacation items..

Why not just get rid of ALL "carry-on" baggage.
Get rid of overhead bins on all aircraft. Might save the airlines some cash.


User currently offlineFLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11521 times:

I am still confused on how a sealed bottle of water can damange anything. At the baseball games down here, tou can bring a sealed bottle of water in, but if it is unsealed, you cannot. Why can't the TSA be civil and do this?

User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11521 times:

It's not really a big deal is it? Going without carry-on water or drinks (remember the nature of this particular threat) is not going to kill you. A major security threat has just been identified that features carry on items, so until it's all cleared up people will simply have to live with it. It's not hard.


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11481 times:

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 11):
I am still confused on how a sealed bottle of water can damange anything.

Because some explosives and flammables are clear fluids.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11449 times:

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 11):
I am still confused on how a sealed bottle of water can damange anything. At the baseball games down here, tou can bring a sealed bottle of water in, but if it is unsealed, you cannot. Why can't the TSA be civil and do this?

It's rather easy to re-seal a bottle, or open a bottle without breaking the seal (by twisting the liner with the cap).

-Will



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User currently offlineFLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11393 times:

sorry about my prev posts...the initial shock got to me. I am still pissed because of my traditions, and if the airlines lose my checked "carry on" bag, they'll hear it from me, but I'll get on with life.

User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11367 times:

This is obsurd!
I guess I won't be flying to or from the UK for a while. I'm not trusting my laptop or iPod to my checked luggage.



War Eagle!
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11300 times:

Quoting Sulman (Reply 13):
Going without carry-on water or drinks (remember the nature of this particular threat) is not going to kill you.

Clearly you have never travelled long haul. Without a bottle of water, you will die, because the stinge-bag airlines never give you any. Lets hope the airlines make up for depriving you of your hand luggage by at least giving you something to drink FOR FREE on board.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11187 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 22):
Without a bottle of water, you will die, because the stinge-bag airlines never give you any.

They do in Biz and First  Wink



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11154 times:

Well the terrorists are succeeding....bringing paranoia to TSAs. The Continental release says that you can't bring items you purchased inside the secure area onboard??  confused 

What's the sense in even having shops in the departure area now????



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User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4773 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11127 times:

Quoting Da man (Reply 19):
This is obsurd!
I guess I won't be flying to or from the UK for a while. I'm not trusting my laptop or iPod to my checked luggage.

We won't miss you.  banghead 

If these aircraft had indeed been blown up, I don't think anyone would be complaining about the inconvnience - it would be seen as a necessity.
Face it folks, whether you want to be a part of it or not, there is a problem here and it has to be dealt with, iPods and Laptops be dammned. I'm going to Toronto this Sunday from MAN and I will happily leave my laptop at home and bring all my files on a USB pen drive.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11099 times:

I understand the no electronics. But would one book be too much to ask? Takes like 2 seconds to check if it's really a book.

Unless the next terrorist plot is based on taking down the plane with a thousand paper cuts.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11099 times:

Get over it people, it might be an inconvenient but if something does happen you'll be bitching how the TSA is useless coz it let something through security. Bottom line is this rule is probably here to stay so live with it or stay home.... Heck, drive your car to Hawaii instead of flying if you don't wanna be inconvenienced.  banghead 

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11049 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 25):
They do in Biz and First

Oooh, get you - merchant banker !

:-P


User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1528 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11030 times:

What I'd like to know is....What happens onboard the airplane when you take out your bottle of water or coke that you bought airside or will you not be allowed to purchase them?


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User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11030 times:

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 34):
What I'd like to know is....What happens onboard the airplane when you take out your bottle of water or coke that you bought airside or will you not be allowed to purchase them?

As I understand it, you can purchase it and consume it in the terminal, just not onboarrd the plane. You have to dispose of it before baording.


User currently offlineFlyinfroggie From United States of America, joined May 2004, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10947 times:

You know - I keep reading all of these posts about how inconvenienced everyone is with what's happened. But, from the tone in a lot of posts, it seems that people are pissed off at the airlines, TSA, airports, local governments, etc. Why don't we direct our anger and disgust at those individuals that are responsible for this? - the cowardly TERRORISTS that act like savages!

It appears that we are reacting to a real threat. In today's world, I would rather overreact than underreact. Once we have the opportunity to have some time to consider what's happened (and what didn't happen), I think that we'll be able to then put more realistic measures in place.

After the horrific events that happened on September 11, 2001 (I hate when people use the '9/11' term like a trendy catchphrase), we closed the airports completely in the United States for days in order to assess what had happened, and to put measures in place. I think that at this point, we should be thankful to those that continue to work so hard to keep us safe, and to do what we can to work with them - not against them.

That being said....

1) Airlines - Please provide at least water service on flights, and include some extra bottles now that we can't bring our own.
2) Flight Attendants - Please consider us thirsty people that may be in the back of the plane, too.
4) Baggage Handlers - Please treat our luggage like if it were your own, and not a football.


User currently offlineAAL0616 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 272 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10892 times:

Due to flight cancellation, I find myself available today to catch up on errands, yard work or to read all the posts in the threads concerning today's events. I am deeply appalled at many of the posts complaining about the actions of the authorities. I am equally shocked at how much many of you apparently favor your material possessions over your lives.

It should be apparent from the gravity of the actions, and the obvious consequences and inconveniences, that the threat is quite serious and genuine. Perhaps those of you who are terribly concerned about your laptops, i-pods and beloved, permanently surgically attached cell phones should take a collective deep breath and buy a book at the airport and practice the quaint old notion of reading to pass the time.

As someone who feels like they walk around with a bulls-eye painted on them, I've fallen into the habit of looking closely at every person I can in a terminal, boarding area or onboard an aircraft. Perhaps this comes from nightmares about free falling in a piece of a fuselage that has been dismembered by an explosion at 35,000 feet, or having my throat cut with a box cutter. How paranoid of me. However, as I am not about to convert to radical Islam, my choices are to help defend western civilization as best I can in my own way, or surrender my way of life, family and homeland to hideous fanatics.

My material "stuff" is not as important to me as my life. I have also heard it suggested this morning by some pundits that we only have ourselves to blame for all of this because of the assertive way in which our western governments, particularly the US and the UK, are fighting the war on terror. So by offending militant Islam, we brought 9-11 upon ourselves, and now, by not appeasing the enemy, (excuse me, "having negotiations or a discussion, understanding their point of view, realizing its all our own fault, etc."), we have made it worse. Its all our own fault anyway, and now our incompetent authorities are compounding our problem by inconveniencing us.

We need to get a grip, face reality, bite the bullet and get on with our lives, business, pleasures and, yes, responsibilities to ourselves with a measure of determination that these monsters cannot intimidate or break us. We can start by not being selfish and complaining.

When I wonder about the maturity, relevance or source of much of the dribble, I suspect from the age and origin of many, that you are not necessarily frequent travelers or professionals, and some of you have very disturbing political outlooks and agendas.

American and British aircrew are not willing to be suicidal pawns any longer and will defend passengers and colleagues to the best of our ability. Our nations have proven, at least in our fathers time, that although very peaceful and apparently decadent to the fanatical Muslim, when attacked, we can fight to the death with no quarter. Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, militant Islam's godfathers, can attest to our tenacity once threatened.

So people, the stakes are serious, but lighten up and adjust for the moment. At least our incompetent authorities have today saved some of you from a 35,000 foot free fall. For that, a few fewer cell phone calls or video games are worth it.


User currently offlineNorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10892 times:

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 33):
and of course the lack of food, as if they needed to get any fatter !!

LOL ! So true....



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User currently offlineContinentalFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 356 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10856 times:

Flyinfroggie,

I don't know if the threat was real or not until more information comes out, though to be honest just because the plot was uncovered by Scotland Yard, versus the FBI, gives it some credibility in my eyes.

But to me, besides the obvious bellyaching, which is expected and understandable, I think a lot of people don't give our government, and especially the TSA, a lot of credibility in these matters. Over the years, there's been a lot of "trust us, don't ask questions, just do as we say" type stuff from them and a lot of knee-jerk reactions that don't do anything to really increase security, and therefore a lot of people, me included, are, right or wrong, very cynical about anything that comes from the government, again especially the TSA (remember the duct tape your house debacle?).


25 DavidT : BA give out water in every class don't they?
26 GBan : Agreed. Even if it might turn out later that this was an over-reaction because the threat didn't exist (like weapons of mass destruction in Irak): I
27 United787 : I understand the concerns, I do value my life and that of others but... I never check any liquids because they often explode in flight or get smashed
28 Post contains images Skidmarks : Gonna have to disagree with you there Jon. On our trip to SLC last year, DL kept us well supplied with water, soft drinks and coffee throughout the f
29 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Well while I wish they didn't have to take this measure it is safer so I guess I won't complain... B6jfk
30 FLAIRPORT : i love how people read my angered post...but nobody caught this one; yea, Im mad, but the more i watch the more i realize that as much as i disgarre i
31 JGPH1A : Tchah ! You're so literal ! Yes, OK some do, but others don't, I prefer to take my own. And what about hobnobs, eh ? Can't eat manky airline food, do
32 SRT75 : Does anyone in the government have a reality-check? "Explosive liquids." Well, can anyone think of any? Gasoline isn't really "explosive," unless you
33 Post contains images Flyinfroggie : Oops... I CAN make a point, but I obviously CANNOT count...
34 AAL0616 : UAL787 has a very good point. I had a number of irritating problems over the years with with shampoo, etc. leaking in checked luggage on pleasure trip
35 Post contains images Skidmarks : Er, wasn't me that picked that particular fopar up. But hey, who's counting Andy
36 Joness0154 : I'm sorry, but those guys are idiots. You know that less than 16oz of plastic explosive took down Pan Am 103, right? The 20in hole it created in the
37 TinkerBelle : If $hit blows up while you and your $2000 laptop are in it, nobody will remember the laptop.
38 SRT75 : The explosives were in the cargo hold. I will admit, I am no expert on the Pan Am 103 disaster. But was the cause of the crash structural integrity o
39 Post contains images KaiGywer : Nor can you Quote
40 Post contains links Joness0154 : I believe the cause of that crash was caused by structural integrity issues. A good read can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_...ight_
41 Halaka : The restriction on liquids and laptops really ought to be a temporary solution - the latter restriction on flights out of the UK is particularly alarm
42 Kiramakora : I liked the maturity and rationality of your reply. This is my second day here and you will be the first in my respect list. PS > Edited to say that
43 Starlionblue : Amen. As for the inconvenience, I could survive 3-4 flights a year without my noice cancellation headphones, my iPod and my movies. Not 80-100 flight
44 Post contains links DTW757 : http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/...eat-change-passenger_guidance.shtm Link to the TSA website concerning the banning of liquids
45 Halaka : Here's a good example of showy, but ineffective "additional security" - Mitt Romney is on CNN right now talking about how officers from the Sheriffs d
46 ThePRGuy : The whole laptop thing is going to be pretty hard Often on a long haul I will finish or get started on a job or campaign or whatever on the notebook.
47 Positiverate : Know what one of my "traditions" is? One of my "traditions" is not getting killed by a terrorist. Take a pill. From the news, they obviously have inf
48 Clipperhawaii : I have never seen so much whiny complainers in one thread. I think some here in this thread and in airports around the world have to realize what a th
49 TCFC424 : So many of you have expressed utter dissatisfaction with the TSA and security officials at airports, given the increased threat levels we are now unde
50 ManchesterMAN : Everybody seems to be up in arms about something that hasn't happened. As far as I'm aware the only thing banned from flights in the US are liquids. O
51 KDCA : F this, this is an absurd measure being taken by the TSA. As my uncle at US says, Thousansd Standing Around. Just more terrible government bureaucracy
52 KabAir : And if these planes had been blown up (or were in the future) would you defend the TSA as having done "the right thing" for not "infringing our right
53 Kazzie : These rules have been put in place for a good reason, to ensue your and other passengers safety on a flight... If you think its stupid or outrageous t
54 JMV : This from ABCNews.com Explosive Gel Was to Be Concealed in Sports Drink August 10, 2006 1:56 PM Richard Esposito Reports: The suspected terror plotter
55 TUSflyer : As a frequent flyer (2-3 trips a week), I am constantly amazed when fellow travellers complain about added security measures atthe airport. Yes, I tra
56 UKCO : Some of us don't have a choice but to carry a laptop. I am returning LAX-LHR tommorow, so what so I do, leave my laptop in the US? Change the flight a
57 ManchesterMAN : Exactly. Not only can it happen again it WILL happen again. There can be no doubt the terrorists will eventually succeed again in causing mass death
58 Goaliemn : Too late.
59 Ckfred : My wife's employer has suggested that to avoid the chaos at British airports, either: a) postpone travel until restrictions on carry-on luggage are ea
60 JBLUA320 : I'm sorry but what gets me is the thing about beverages (I'm talking domestic travel). "I'm sorry, sir, but you cannot bring that bottle of Coke you j
61 PA110 : There are no restrictions against laptops as cabin baggage on flights departing the US to the UK. The only restriction on US originating flights is n
62 BigOrange : Oh the inconvenience of it. All luggage except hand luggage should be checked. If you have a suitcase, check it. So what if it takes 40 minutes?? Pla
63 UKCO : You may be correct, and that is what the TSA site says, but different people are saying different things about electronic devices US->UK, on this for
64 Starlionblue : You understand that some of us may take multiple flights in a well to get to meetings? An extra 40 minutes is a lot of time for the typical road warr
65 Starlionblue : Very true. It's hard to explain. Traveling constantly is an experience like none other. I think a lot of road warriors would get another job if they
66 AAL0616 : I have been rescheduled for a trip tomorrow and the information that I have received confirms yours. The laptop restriction is outbound from the UK a
67 AY104 : Exactly! In the realm of human suffering, what we have to go through rates a big fat zero! (ie no carry-on luggage, no liquids etc.) Might as well tr
68 Dw9115 : FLYING IS A PRIVILEGE NOT A RIGHT. If you want to fly then there are some rules you have to follow or you can take car or a boat or even train or bus
69 Fumanchewd : My company presently has an aircraft that is supposed to fly back from South America under part 91 in the next day. We had a TSA waiver in place to en
70 DL021 : The thread title sort of says it all.......who here really thinks the TSA is responsible for all the extra headaches? Terrorists will be mightily unsa
71 Lincoln : The ban on liquids seems to be all pomp to me - now I'm not going to tell anyone how (not that I really think terrorists are so stupid they couldn't f
72 Qantas787 : This is perhaps the most vehement set of posts I have seen on A-net. We certainly are getting stuck into each other. Why don't we all just settle down
73 Post contains images BMIFlyer : I hope these restrictions will be lifted by November. There is no way that im checking in over £1500 worth of photography equipment into the hold, no
74 SRT75 : No. . . flying is a commodity. As with all commercial endeavors in an economy such as the United States, certain legal RIGHTS attach to commercial tr
75 Post contains links AirTranTUS : Have you forgotten your American Gov't class, or is that not required in Florida? Go here and refresh yourself on the amendments and then show the MA
76 Dragon-wings : I didn't read through this whole thread because it is way to long so if this has been brought up I am sorry. Lets say your a business man who has some
77 Tercer : Another person that cannot figure out that flying is not a right protected under the constitution but I shall digress: Amendment I: Since Congress di
78 BMIFlyer : Highly doubt it. Lee
79 SRT75 : LOL, this is the big security threat??? The sports drink could be combined with a peroxide-based paste to form a potent "explosive cocktail," if prope
80 XXXX10 : If this restriction continues then the travelling public will have to adapt. I am sure better insurance will become available or a better degree of co
81 Aeroplan73 : Terrorists don't even have to do a terror act anymore. All they have to do is plan one, and leak enough obvious information so intelligence organizati
82 Joness0154 : Now I forgot again, which rights are being violated here? Absolutely none. No one is being restricted from travelling in this situation, they just mig
83 Starlionblue : You're missing the point. Laptops aren't interchangeable like that. If I had to build my demo environment from scratch it would take 1-2 days at the
84 Halls120 : What a breathtakingly erroneous statement. I wonder if the author has ever read the Bill of Rights.
85 MD80fanatic : Or it could have been Diet Coke and Mentos. I kinda figured it would turn out to be alot of hoopla over essentially nothing. Great work Stormtroopers
86 XXXX10 : Starlionblue, I understand your plight and didn't intend to sound unsympathetic. The fact remains that those who we trust to keep us safe have decided
87 Edoca : I fully agree. I can also understand people react emotionally to the current new rules, but yes, things will get back to some form of normality very
88 Slashd0t : It's the UK GOVERNMENT that is banning ipods and electronics, not the US gov.. So, before people complain about their rights being violoated, they hav
89 N5716B : Check your constitution again, please. Unless we've started electing TSA agents to Congress, and unless shampoo is suddenly covered under 'freedom of
90 Moek2000 : Although I think the TSA is inefficient and they suck, we can't blame them. They're only doing their job and trying to make a living just like all of
91 Goodbye : Not quite "the land of the free" anymore is it?
92 F9fan : Not the 1st, but maybe the 4th and 5th. However, since there is a "compelling governmental interest," i.e. airplane security, the searches are comple
93 YULWinterSkies : Despite all the seriousness of this threat, how many airplanes have been blown out since 9/11. 0. How many had been in the few years before 9/11. Not
94 Post contains images Lightsaber : First, I have gone through some online posts and it appears only UK to US are electronics banned on board. Yes, all liquids are banned, but not electr
95 AirTranTUS : We can still fly wherever we want to and bring what we want to. It just has to be in its proper place. You think the US has it bad, go look at what t
96 Laxatljfkcvg : I hate the new entry scans!!!!!!!!!!!
97 Post contains links TACAA320 : "Due to additional carry-on baggage procedures issued by federal authorities, some airports may be experiencing heavy congestion. Please allow plenty
98 UKCO : This is what BA are saying about the US on their website - it's very confusing as the TSA are saying something different ............ With immediate e
99 Post contains links and images Starlionblue : I would be glad to run it! And I know just the crew I need. I understand that my case may be unusual, but all the other people I meet at trade shows
100 NASCARAirforce : AirTranTUS, have you forgotten a very famous Benjamin Franklin quote (and yes I know my government as he was a very important founding father). "Thos
101 NASCARAirforce : This directly alone isn't affecting our first 10 Amendment rights. What I meant is that this is one more step of the U.S. turning into a police state
102 Post contains images Starlionblue : Now now. Let's not confuse effective security measures with the need to politically "do sometihng". Effective security is hard to found outside the M
103 Post contains images LTBEWR : GOOD POINT! You probably have a greater chance on a day to day basis of getting killed in a car accident or killed by a street criminal than being ki
104 SWALoveField : Flying in an airplane is a privelegde and is not a right granted by the US Constitution. I'm upset that so many of my peers here would trade toothpast
105 Csturdiv : There is always some numbnut who has to drag politics into any conversation.
106 VV701 : We already have in the UK - See reply 140 and 141 above. I am sorry about that. Of course it is appropriate that we Brits should suffer the worst con
107 L-188 : Well if you want to keep your job you better hope the Feds start treating your passengers better. At this point I can't see where you would end up be
108 Bnamaxx : I departed JAX this past Sunday prior to this news hitting, and just curious how much more obtuse the TSA at that particular station can be? It is sti
109 Post contains images Starlionblue : As is being explored in a tech_ops thread, there are plenty of variables. The PA102 bomb was in the hold amid tightly packed luggage. It didn't simpl
110 Halaka : You know - it really isn't that simple. I happen to believe that the restriction on *all* electronic items will be brief in duration. That said, I th
111 Nonrevman : The Brits do have my sympathy. We are in this together as it does not matter what your nationality is when you board the effected UK-US flight. Howev
112 Falstaff : Exactly how is not carrying tooth paste and shampoo in your carry on bag violating your right for free speech? You still have the right to complain a
113 L-188 : Thank ranks right up there with the TSA trying to seize Joe Foss's Medal of Honor for the same bloody reason.
114 AAL0616 : No. Enough, please. With all due respect, this echoes shallow Democrat talking points or blogesphere rubbish. Do the outrages you allege include, say
115 NASCARAirforce : Of course the TSA likes to single out those 80 year old ladies and 5 year old boys... however, I flew out of JAX and I thought that was one of the fe
116 Airlinebrat : Perhaps the next rule will be that all airline passengers will have to board the plane completely naked and will be required to place all their clothe
117 Post contains images USAIRWAYS321 : Nah, somebody will shove a pipe bomb up their ass.
118 Falstaff : WARNING... I am going to say something that is going to get some people all worked up! Those groups are easy to single out. If you single out 18-30 Mi
119 DocLightning : Well, gee, why allow luggage at all? I mean, a bomb in the hold will bring a plane down real quick, too, won't it? Heck, make everyone go naked! And i
120 Gigneil : I would rather be in a bazillion pieces than without my rights for even a brief moment. N
121 USAIRWAYS321 : This'll be good...
122 AAL0616 : Falstaff, that wasn't my comment, but I agree with it, whoever said it, the TSA does appear sometimes to single out illogical suspects. I am sure that
123 DocLightning : The solution is simple: use white-looking people as your bombers. Profiling is exactly as useful as any other security method: as long as it's there,
124 Thegooddoctor : ...I'm not even sure how to respond to the complaints on this board... except to say that I fly enough that I'd rather exchange my privilage to eat a
125 AAL0616 : Yes, if I were an Islamic terror mastermind, I would recruit as many Swedes as I could to get around mere visual or behavior profiling. Although, so f
126 Thegooddoctor : Agreed. I find it depressingly ironic that it seems the only way to disband a group of people that wants to kill others - and demonstrates their whol
127 SkyHigh777 : OK wait a minute I am a bit confused. So are we not allowed to bring any carry-on bags at all? I flew to South Africa two months ago with two luggages
128 USAIRWAYS321 : Flights leaving the UK are, as of now, the only ones subject to the complete carry-on ban. Carry-on bags are still permitted on other flights, though
129 LPLAspotter : Exactly. No matter what happens they win. We loose our freedom = they win, they blow us out of the sky = they win with a cherry on top. LPLAspotter
130 DocLightning : Amen. Remember "Live Free or Die?" It's time to decide. Are we to live up to those ideals that we were taught in elementary school? Or do we willingl
131 Halls120 : A paranoid and unsupportable assertion. I'm flying to the UK on holiday - Scotland, actually - next month. I for one am very glad that UK law enforce
132 57AZ : To be quite honest, the basic technology required to conduct business long distance has been around for a while. However, with the rapid advancement
133 GEG2RAP : I thought all you guys were moving to Canada after the last election....... 1st Admendment so toothpaste is part of freedom of the press or religion
134 Post contains images Thegooddoctor : GEG2RAP - don't you understand?! He is upset about his right to freely express his dental cleanliness after a 7 hour flight! I say we take this one s
135 DAYflyer : I would rather be inconvienienced than dead. A rather silly and immature post.
136 Bmacleod : What's a snow globe????
137 AirTran717 : I have to say that as a former crew member, I agree with the new security measures. To aleviate any and all problems and misinterpretations, no one br
138 Post contains images Bnamaxx : Hey, at least you had a good experience! In the last year, out of say 30 flights, I have had to remove my shoes twice, both times at JAX. Oh well. I
139 AirTran717 : Here's another thought... You can still bring books and magazines. Perish the thought that you actually enrich yourself through the written word rathe
140 Okie73 : I hate to say it, but I was thinking the same thing. Was there a terror plot? No doubt. But I honestly believe Bush is exploiting it to influence the
141 Post contains images Elite : Just some advice to you all... you could put your laptop in a Samsonite protective sleeve and stick it in the middle of your luggage, surrounded by y
142 Post contains images Lightsaber : First, you have a good point. The issue is that the passanger to the side of me won't take this option And then I'm stuck listening to their drivel w
143 NASCARAirforce : I am beginning to think that the business traveller is looking more and more forward to these new air taxi carriers such as Day Jet and the like to st
144 Post contains links Garnetpalmetto : Since the thread has gone off topic and is by and large a double of other threads, specifically All Liquids, Gels, And Lotions Now Banned. (by Burnsie
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