IAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11802 times:
So now we will have to buy toothpaste and mouthwash when out of town if we carry a bag onboard so looks like ramp folks are gonna be getting much more luggage and we can close all the overhead....faster boarding for sure! So who is going to pay for the broken laptops that are now going to be checked as luggage when you open them up and they don't work? That will be the next thing to go out of the carry on list as it has in the UK today.
[Edited 2006-08-10 15:34:19]
Any views shared are strictly my own and do not a represent those of any former employer.
NO LIQUIDS OR GELS OF ANY KIND WILL BE PERMITTED IN CARRY-ON BAGGAGE. ITEMS MUST BE IN CHECKED BAGGAGE. This includes all beverages, shampoo, suntan lotion, creams, tooth paste, hair gel, and other items of similar consistency.
Lets hope you DON'T loose your checked baggage....
And loose all your hygiene/vacation items..
Why not just get rid of ALL "carry-on" baggage.
Get rid of overhead bins on all aircraft. Might save the airlines some cash.
FLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11623 times:
I am still confused on how a sealed bottle of water can damange anything. At the baseball games down here, tou can bring a sealed bottle of water in, but if it is unsealed, you cannot. Why can't the TSA be civil and do this?
Sulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11623 times:
It's not really a big deal is it? Going without carry-on water or drinks (remember the nature of this particular threat) is not going to kill you. A major security threat has just been identified that features carry on items, so until it's all cleared up people will simply have to live with it. It's not hard.
It takes a big man to admit they are wrong, and I am not a big man.
SafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11551 times:
Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 11): I am still confused on how a sealed bottle of water can damange anything. At the baseball games down here, tou can bring a sealed bottle of water in, but if it is unsealed, you cannot. Why can't the TSA be civil and do this?
It's rather easy to re-seal a bottle, or open a bottle without breaking the seal (by twisting the liner with the cap).
FLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11495 times:
sorry about my prev posts...the initial shock got to me. I am still pissed because of my traditions, and if the airlines lose my checked "carry on" bag, they'll hear it from me, but I'll get on with life.
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11402 times:
Quoting Sulman (Reply 13): Going without carry-on water or drinks (remember the nature of this particular threat) is not going to kill you.
Clearly you have never travelled long haul. Without a bottle of water, you will die, because the stinge-bag airlines never give you any. Lets hope the airlines make up for depriving you of your hand luggage by at least giving you something to drink FOR FREE on board.
CPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4780 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11229 times:
Quoting Da man (Reply 19): This is obsurd!
I guess I won't be flying to or from the UK for a while. I'm not trusting my laptop or iPod to my checked luggage.
We won't miss you.
If these aircraft had indeed been blown up, I don't think anyone would be complaining about the inconvnience - it would be seen as a necessity.
Face it folks, whether you want to be a part of it or not, there is a problem here and it has to be dealt with, iPods and Laptops be dammned. I'm going to Toronto this Sunday from MAN and I will happily leave my laptop at home and bring all my files on a USB pen drive.
TinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11201 times:
Get over it people, it might be an inconvenient but if something does happen you'll be bitching how the TSA is useless coz it let something through security. Bottom line is this rule is probably here to stay so live with it or stay home.... Heck, drive your car to Hawaii instead of flying if you don't wanna be inconvenienced.
Positiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11132 times:
Quoting DTW757 (Reply 34): What I'd like to know is....What happens onboard the airplane when you take out your bottle of water or coke that you bought airside or will you not be allowed to purchase them?
As I understand it, you can purchase it and consume it in the terminal, just not onboarrd the plane. You have to dispose of it before baording.
Flyinfroggie From United States of America, joined May 2004, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11049 times:
You know - I keep reading all of these posts about how inconvenienced everyone is with what's happened. But, from the tone in a lot of posts, it seems that people are pissed off at the airlines, TSA, airports, local governments, etc. Why don't we direct our anger and disgust at those individuals that are responsible for this? - the cowardly TERRORISTS that act like savages!
It appears that we are reacting to a real threat. In today's world, I would rather overreact than underreact. Once we have the opportunity to have some time to consider what's happened (and what didn't happen), I think that we'll be able to then put more realistic measures in place.
After the horrific events that happened on September 11, 2001 (I hate when people use the '9/11' term like a trendy catchphrase), we closed the airports completely in the United States for days in order to assess what had happened, and to put measures in place. I think that at this point, we should be thankful to those that continue to work so hard to keep us safe, and to do what we can to work with them - not against them.
That being said....
1) Airlines - Please provide at least water service on flights, and include some extra bottles now that we can't bring our own.
2) Flight Attendants - Please consider us thirsty people that may be in the back of the plane, too.
4) Baggage Handlers - Please treat our luggage like if it were your own, and not a football.
AAL0616 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 272 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10994 times:
Due to flight cancellation, I find myself available today to catch up on errands, yard work or to read all the posts in the threads concerning today's events. I am deeply appalled at many of the posts complaining about the actions of the authorities. I am equally shocked at how much many of you apparently favor your material possessions over your lives.
It should be apparent from the gravity of the actions, and the obvious consequences and inconveniences, that the threat is quite serious and genuine. Perhaps those of you who are terribly concerned about your laptops, i-pods and beloved, permanently surgically attached cell phones should take a collective deep breath and buy a book at the airport and practice the quaint old notion of reading to pass the time.
As someone who feels like they walk around with a bulls-eye painted on them, I've fallen into the habit of looking closely at every person I can in a terminal, boarding area or onboard an aircraft. Perhaps this comes from nightmares about free falling in a piece of a fuselage that has been dismembered by an explosion at 35,000 feet, or having my throat cut with a box cutter. How paranoid of me. However, as I am not about to convert to radical Islam, my choices are to help defend western civilization as best I can in my own way, or surrender my way of life, family and homeland to hideous fanatics.
My material "stuff" is not as important to me as my life. I have also heard it suggested this morning by some pundits that we only have ourselves to blame for all of this because of the assertive way in which our western governments, particularly the US and the UK, are fighting the war on terror. So by offending militant Islam, we brought 9-11 upon ourselves, and now, by not appeasing the enemy, (excuse me, "having negotiations or a discussion, understanding their point of view, realizing its all our own fault, etc."), we have made it worse. Its all our own fault anyway, and now our incompetent authorities are compounding our problem by inconveniencing us.
We need to get a grip, face reality, bite the bullet and get on with our lives, business, pleasures and, yes, responsibilities to ourselves with a measure of determination that these monsters cannot intimidate or break us. We can start by not being selfish and complaining.
When I wonder about the maturity, relevance or source of much of the dribble, I suspect from the age and origin of many, that you are not necessarily frequent travelers or professionals, and some of you have very disturbing political outlooks and agendas.
American and British aircrew are not willing to be suicidal pawns any longer and will defend passengers and colleagues to the best of our ability. Our nations have proven, at least in our fathers time, that although very peaceful and apparently decadent to the fanatical Muslim, when attacked, we can fight to the death with no quarter. Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, militant Islam's godfathers, can attest to our tenacity once threatened.
So people, the stakes are serious, but lighten up and adjust for the moment. At least our incompetent authorities have today saved some of you from a 35,000 foot free fall. For that, a few fewer cell phone calls or video games are worth it.
ContinentalFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 356 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10958 times:
I don't know if the threat was real or not until more information comes out, though to be honest just because the plot was uncovered by Scotland Yard, versus the FBI, gives it some credibility in my eyes.
But to me, besides the obvious bellyaching, which is expected and understandable, I think a lot of people don't give our government, and especially the TSA, a lot of credibility in these matters. Over the years, there's been a lot of "trust us, don't ask questions, just do as we say" type stuff from them and a lot of knee-jerk reactions that don't do anything to really increase security, and therefore a lot of people, me included, are, right or wrong, very cynical about anything that comes from the government, again especially the TSA (remember the duct tape your house debacle?).
: BA give out water in every class don't they?
: Agreed. Even if it might turn out later that this was an over-reaction because the threat didn't exist (like weapons of mass destruction in Irak): I
: I understand the concerns, I do value my life and that of others but... I never check any liquids because they often explode in flight or get smashed
: Gonna have to disagree with you there Jon. On our trip to SLC last year, DL kept us well supplied with water, soft drinks and coffee throughout the f
: Well while I wish they didn't have to take this measure it is safer so I guess I won't complain... B6jfk
: i love how people read my angered post...but nobody caught this one; yea, Im mad, but the more i watch the more i realize that as much as i disgarre i
: Tchah ! You're so literal ! Yes, OK some do, but others don't, I prefer to take my own. And what about hobnobs, eh ? Can't eat manky airline food, do
: Does anyone in the government have a reality-check? "Explosive liquids." Well, can anyone think of any? Gasoline isn't really "explosive," unless you
: Oops... I CAN make a point, but I obviously CANNOT count...
: UAL787 has a very good point. I had a number of irritating problems over the years with with shampoo, etc. leaking in checked luggage on pleasure trip
: Er, wasn't me that picked that particular fopar up. But hey, who's counting Andy
: I'm sorry, but those guys are idiots. You know that less than 16oz of plastic explosive took down Pan Am 103, right? The 20in hole it created in the
: If $hit blows up while you and your $2000 laptop are in it, nobody will remember the laptop.
: The explosives were in the cargo hold. I will admit, I am no expert on the Pan Am 103 disaster. But was the cause of the crash structural integrity o