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TSA Denies Sunscreen For Ramp Workers  
User currently offlineAfrikaskyes From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9231 times:

Get This! ATL is suffering a shortage of workers at Concourse C, so they requested agents from field stations to come down and help out. This is all fine, but the temp agents are required to go thru security checkpoint when starting their shifts.

I learned that this morning, my coworker was not allowed to bring sunscreen thru ATL checkpoint. (No one explained the new rules) Needless to say, she BAKED in the hot Georgia sun. Bright red and sun burned. She was badged with a SIDA badge and everything, but still required to go thru checkpoint.

Apparently, she did put sunscreen on before the her shift, but obviously wore off after a rather sweaty and humid morning.

Way to go TSA. Drop the political correctness already! Start profiling

[Edited 2006-08-10 22:04:59]

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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2665 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9221 times:

I hope TSA will help with the medicine for the skin cancer then.... that is just ridiculous.

I would have put it on before going thru screening then!!



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9642 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9195 times:

That's an unfortunate situation, but because of the raised terror threat, everyone has to suffer somehow. At least she could have put on sunscreen before going through security. Anything is possible in today's world. Someone could have pay off an airport employee to get something on a plane that shouldn't be there. Afterall rampers are the last ones to touch the plane and put things on the plane that are not seen by anyone during the flight.

I honestly pitty all of the TSA workers and airport employees that have to deal with all these uncomfortable passengers that are having to undergo these procedures in order to do something that many of them have to. I feel sorry for the thousands of airline employees that have been yelled at, cursed at and mistreated by frustrated people today throughout the world.



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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9157 times:

Quoting Afrikaskyes (Thread starter):
Needless to say, she BAKED in the hot Georgia sun. Bright red and sun burned.

Hope she knows about Solarcaine, I love that stuff when I get sunburn.

Anyways, it sucks that all of this happened


User currently offlineDiesel33 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9121 times:

Quoting Nkops (Reply 1):
I would have put it on before going thru screening then!!

She did...but it must have diluted with all her sweat.

Quoting Afrikaskyes (Thread starter):
Apparently, she did put sunscreen on before the her shift, but obviously wore off after a rather sweaty and humid morning.


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9069 times:

So here is a question...

What about Pilots and Flight Attendants, are they exempt from the ban?


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9642 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9041 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 5):
What about Pilots and Flight Attendants, are they exempt from the ban?

I would hope not. Yes it is a bit difficult to see why pilots need to go through security since they have complete control of the airplane, but there are enough immoral people out there that would carry stuff on for others if they were paid enough money regardless of how it would effect their job.



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User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9008 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
I would hope not. Yes it is a bit difficult to see why pilots need to go through security since they have complete control of the airplane, but there are enough immoral people out there that would carry stuff on for others if they were paid enough money regardless of how it would effect their job

The reason that I am asking is sometimes Flight Attendant and Pilot rotations can be weeks in length, and for U.S. airlines unlike European and Asian airlines, crew bags are stored at cabin level. In addition buying new toiletries in 10 different cities on a 21 day trip can be very costly.


User currently offlineAdh214 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8983 times:

I think we all need to settle down. The "Liquid" ban has been in place for less than 18 hours. It is possible the TSA is over reacting but in life and death situations an over reaction is better than an under reaction. In the next few days, I would hope that TSA will loosen the restriction on ramper sun tan lotion or Delta will arrange for rampers to leave the secure area during a break to reapply sun tan lotion and then reenter the secure area. Certainly using sun tan lotion is a safety issue for someone working out doors for hours at a time. However, we cannot expect everything to go smoothly on the first day.

As to Flight Attendants and Pilots going through screening, this is as much for their safety as yours. If FA's or Pilots were not screened, they would be the target of terrorists try to smuggle items into the secure zone.

Andrew


User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1725 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8923 times:

Prohibiting sunscreen to people with access to Jet-A and Skydol accomplishes what?

Tod


User currently offlineQXRamperMEII From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 93 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8913 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 5):
So here is a question...

What about Pilots and Flight Attendants, are they exempt from the ban?

As a matter of fact, I asked my girlfriend the exact same question. She's an FA for QX. They just put out a policy about crews taking the "banned" items with them.

- Crews in uniform are allowed to take the usual "liquids" (soap/shampoo/cream, etc) through security. However, they are NOT allowed to take beverages of anykind

-Crews not in uniforms (deadheaders, nonrevs, commuters) are subject to the same restrictions as pax

Hopefully that cleared up a few things. I don't know if the policy is only for QX or not...I assume other airlines are coming up with similar things


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8913 times:

Quoting QXRamperMEII (Reply 10):
Hopefully that cleared up a few things. I don't know if the policy is only for QX or not...I assume other airlines are coming up with similar things

Lets hope all of the Baggage Claim areas at the airports are ready for the influx of baggage!


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9642 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8879 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 7):
The reason that I am asking is sometimes Flight Attendant and Pilot rotations can be weeks in length, and for U.S. airlines unlike European and Asian airlines, crew bags are stored at cabin level. In addition buying new toiletries in 10 different cities on a 21 day trip can be very costly

Are they having to check their luggage? I am sure crews out of the UK are, but what about US crews. I am sure they could go through that hassel if necessary.

Quoting Tod (Reply 9):
Prohibiting sunscreen to people with access to Jet-A and Skydol accomplishes what?

Jet-A is hardly a dangerous fuel. You can drop a match in it and it will go out as if it were water. There are plenty of clear and odorless flammables out there that could be mixed and create a dangerous explosion. Kerosene is not very explosive under normal conditions, which is why it is such a good fuel for aviation. Now 100LL will burn a lot easier.



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8824 times:

Given that one of the terrorists arrested in the UK was a Heathrow ramper, I fully agree with placing tough restrictions on rampers and heavily scrutinising them every time they enter a restricted area.

I hope the same is implemented worldwide, I see people walking through gates without any kind of check at all except a cursory glance at an ID badge all the time and constantly wonder what is being smuggled inside (and back out).



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User currently offlineAfrikaskyes From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8707 times:

Given that one of the terrorists arrested in the UK was a Heathrow ramper, I fully agree with placing tough restrictions on rampers and heavily scrutinising them every time they enter a restricted area.

I hope the same is implemented worldwide, I see people walking through gates without any kind of check at all except a cursory glance at an ID badge all the time and constantly wonder what is being smuggled inside (and back out).


You're missing the point. I'm not suggesting she should have to avoid the screening. I am suggesting there is a problem when she was denied sunscreen and was burned as a result of not having been fore warned about it.

Terrorists win.


User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8676 times:

SOLUTION: Airlines who emloy rampers (and others) who need sunscreen inside of the secure area should provide it for them. Its the 1st day....give them a break. I'm sure the sunscreen issue will be resolved soon.

Weren't there any other 'regular' employees there who did not go through the checkpoint who could have let her borrow some sunscreen?

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineOutlier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8502 times:

Maybe they should wear burkhas


Sun burn as the next terrorist weapon?
The un-sunscreened will survive. No lawsuits necessary.


User currently offlineAfrikaskyes From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8423 times:

Sun burn as the next terrorist weapon?
The un-sunscreened will survive. No lawsuits necessary.


Speaks for itself....

You must work out on the ramp

Am I the only one that gets it?? Somewhere, the terrorists are laughing their asses off watching airport screeners take away hair gel from a blonde sorority girl going back to collge.


User currently offlineOutlier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8370 times:

Quoting Afrikaskyes (Reply 17):
Speaks for itself....

You must work out on the ramp

No, but thanks for the compliment!


User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8356 times:

TSA is working on it. During a conference call with stakeholders and TSA today the issue was raised by airlines on the call, and the thinking was that becase rampers go through the same checks at flight crews, the sunscreen ban would be lifted for them. It was an uninended consequence of the actions of today. TSA will issue guidance in the AM.

User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8208 times:

Quoting Afrikaskyes (Thread starter):
I learned that this morning, my coworker was not allowed to bring sunscreen thru ATL checkpoint. (No one explained the new rules) Needless to say, she BAKED in the hot Georgia sun. Bright red and sun burned. She was badged with a SIDA badge and everything, but still required to go thru checkpoint.

This is definetly over the top. Hopefully they'll find a way to make sunscreen available to rampers airside so they don't need to worry about getting it through security.

Quoting Afrikaskyes (Thread starter):

Way to go TSA. Drop the political correctness already! Start profiling

Racial profiling=racism. It has nothing to do with political correctness.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8117 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
honestly pitty all of the TSA workers

Why they are the scum that made the rules...they deserve to suffer for their stupidity.

Quoting Adh214 (Reply 8):
It is possible the TSA is over reacting

Possible is not the word, they are just trying to justify their budget by creating a crisis.

Quoting Adh214 (Reply 8):
but in life and death situations

It isn't a life and death situation. Despite what New Scotland Yard and those DHS wankers want the people to belive. They keep the public scared, they keep their jobs.

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 15):
Airlines who emloy rampers (and others) who need sunscreen inside of the secure area should provide it for them. Its the 1st day

Actually that might be a very legit OSHA claim.



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User currently offlineJ_Hallgren From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8117 times:

I'm sure there is plenty of excess sunscreen that pax are dumping that could be delivered to rampers in a controlled manner...


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User currently offlineOutlier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8112 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 20):
Racial profiling=racism.

Wrong.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8098 times:

Quoting J_Hallgren (Reply 22):
I'm sure there is plenty of excess sunscreen that pax are dumping that could be delivered to rampers in a controlled manner...

I heard that if you mix Coppertone and Skydrol you get a powerful incindary paste.

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25 Cactus739 : The guy standing at PHX Terminal 2 getting screamed at by a woman who has to throw away an $80 tube of make up is not the scum that made the rules. H
26 L-188 : It is a bit of an extreme comparison, but basicly you are saying that you should be angry at the guy guarding the rail-boxcar you are in because Himm
27 Nonrevman : It would be if I was a ramp worker. I am fair skinned, burn very easily, and have already had one melanoma removed. If TSA denied me this, some accom
28 L-188 : Actually I wonder if you should talk to an ADA attorney then. Because I would argue that providing of skin protection inside the SIDA would be a "Rea
29 StarAC17 : No its not. Racism is being prejudice to another rase where is isn't justified, examples would be how black people in the US were treated in the 60's
30 RoseFlyer : Do you really think that the person that gets paid slightly over minimum wage to tell you to take off your shoes and walk through the scanner is scum
31 Jwenting : no, you're missing the point. If ramp workers are allowed to just bring bottles of something onto the ramp, they can bring bottles of explosives and
32 Luketenley : So by letting the pilots take their "usual" stuff with them is any better? They are on the planes. We couldn't take anything through security today bu
33 AirTran737 : They make a bit more money than that. I believe that they start off at well over $12.00 an hour
34 Frntman : I think the TSA pays a bit better than minimum wage..... Position Title: TRANSPORTATION SECURITY OFFICER (TSO) (Screener) SV-1802, Pay Band D Annual
35 Afrikaskyes : no, you're missing the point. If ramp workers are allowed to just bring bottles of something onto the ramp, they can bring bottles of explosives and p
36 Bobski : No it isn't. Considering that statistically the people most likely to plot or perform a terrorist act such as this are of Islamic/South Asian/Middle
37 Post contains images Goodbye : And still people stick up for these arcane and draconian laws
38 Deltadude : That's BS. Everytime there is any threat it's a person of Middle Eastern descent. Name ONE time in the last 6 years that a person NOT of Middle Easte
39 Flyer732 : And I saw a report on BBC stating that one of the arrested people in London had an LHR ID and worked at the airport.
40 Positiverate : Everyone take a breath. Again, in the turmoil of yesterday, one of the uinintended consequences was that rampers also had their sunscreen taken. TSA
41 Aanyc : As crew members we were told a couple of years ago that there was a possiblity of this type of situation happening. People bringing separate items on
42 Positiverate : Right, like a few hours from when the announcement of the arrests and the details of the plot emerged to the morning rush occurring at the nation's a
43 Post contains images Tjwgrr : FYI- names of 18 of the 19 Suspects arrested in the jetliner terror plot: Abdula Ahmed Ali, Cossor Ali, Shaza Khuram Ali, Nabeel Hussain, Tanvir Huss
44 MechEngineer : Profiling... The problem is that terrorists would get around that problem, just as they now got around the problem of post-9/11 security checks. They
45 Aanyc : If you read my complete statement, I was referring to the fact that they had many years to develop a plan. Again, the same type of plot with the flig
46 Outlier : You are falling into the "profiling = race" trap. And, if they could "use" white European looking loonies, why haven't they?
47 CVG2LGA : Looks like you may be the one suffering, whining and getting upset here, not them. Yea, thats it. I bet you would be crying all hell out if aircraft
48 Access-Air : Well, I dont agree. Once again this is TSA's knee-jerk reaction to something that could be tactfully handled....I guess the prevailing mentality is t
49 Post contains images Lightsaber : First, as someone fair skinned I have no problem with security banning personel liquids. But just as the airline provides water, they must step up and
50 N353SK : That's not the point. The point is that you can't reasonably deny sunscreen from somebody who works outside over 40 hours per week. Frankly, I'm hopi
51 Access-Air : Thank you for the info..... I think that I can kind of guess what the substance is..... I guess that I am venting because it is absurd to suspect eve
52 Flyer732 : While not behind the plot itself, Richard Reid.
53 ANother : According to the reports I've seen one 'suspect' is a young mother, two others are fair skinned recent converts (one with a double-barreled frightful
54 Antiuser : This is no new threat - an investigation was done in March where federal agents disguised as regular pax managed to get bomb components through securi
55 Positiverate : Huh??
56 Skyguy : Absolutely.They are also the people who refuel planes with dangerous and flammable liquid, after all, they are the the last ones to touch the plane a
57 StarAC17 : I don't have a problem right now with any of this right now because I believe that it will blow over in a month or so. However if this remains permane
58 Brdcessna : Another paranoid bleeding heart liberalist. I have no sympathies for the TSA, And put yourself in their shoes once would you like to spend money in e
59 Deltadude : It would certainly thin the herd though. K, that's one.
60 RoseFlyer : I fully agree that it is not fair for flight attendants to have to buy all new items at each destination since they cannot carry them on board. I als
61 Post contains images Lightsaber : Hopefully... but by then a lot of damage has alread been done. I didn't know about that... that is scary. If one person were to dump a xxx based chem
62 Post contains images Antiuser : Sure, I'd guess the vast majority of the stuff that's dumped in the vats is soda, juice, harmless liquids like that. Still not a very wise strategy i
63 L-188 : More importantly if the use of sunscreen, prescribed by a doctor, is denied to a skin cancer survivor by his employer.....well I think there are grou
64 Nonrevman : Actually, the melanoma came from sun exposure long before starting work with an airline. Part of it is genetic as well. As long as I take precautions
65 L-188 : And as typical for many goverment agencies they come up with something completely inane, and did half arsed.
66 Access-Air : What about all the water for the ramp agents in the AOA that would otherwise die of dehydration...has TSA banned that too???? Access-Air
67 Post contains links ANCFlyer : Incorrect. This is a cop out for those without the gut to do the hard job and make the hard call. Incorrect Again. Go read this thread. Authorities S
68 Post contains links TACAA320 : http://www.tsa.gov/press/releases/2006/press_release_08132006.shtm
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