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The 16 Major 747 Operators?  
User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10256 times:

In yet another AvB-thread I came across this article: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,20867,20085296-23349,00.html

I don't want to discuss the content of that article here yet again, but one half-sentence therein got my attention: they mention "the 16 major 747 operators" - so I wondered, which carriers this might refer to. I came up with (in no particular order):

Singapore Airlines
Qantas
Air New Zealand
Thai
Malaysian Airlines
Lufthansa
Air France
British Airways
JAL
ANA
Air China
China Airlines
Northwest
United

This would make 14. So - who else is operating the 747, and also, are all those airlines I listed meant to be "major" 747 operators?


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User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10200 times:

Quick guess:

Saudi Arabian Airlines
Virgin Atlantic
Korean Air
Cargolux


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10170 times:

Quoting Haggis79 (Thread starter):

This would make 14. So - who else is operating the 747, and also, are all those airlines I listed meant to be "major" 747 operators?

Hasn't Air New Zealand a rather small 747 fleet compared to the others? I'd include South African and KLM, aswell as Korean, Virgin and Saoudi Arabian. How big is Air China's 747 fleet?



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User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10134 times:

Shame on me for forgetting KLM and Virgin...  ashamed 

it's kinda late here, maybe I should rather go to bed.... I agree, Air NZ is probably not one of the really big 747 operators.... don't know about Air China, though...



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6702 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10108 times:

Cathay Pacific as well


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User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10081 times:

I would probably eliminate NZ from that list and add KE and KL.

User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10072 times:

What about China Airlines? 17 B744Fs currently and 15 B744.

REF: http://www.china-airlines.com/en/about/about.htm

Doesn't Atlas have a massive fleet of B744Fs?

What is the size of CX's fleet? 21 B744s according to the fleetlist http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_TW/whatonboard/ourfleet/b_747_400

Quoting Manni (Reply 2):
I'd include South African

I think SA has reduced it's (active) B747 fleet to 8: http://ww3.flysaa.com/en/en_content_...fleet_info_seat_plans_content.html

Bren



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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10054 times:

According to my almanac of 747 which is from 5 years ago (outdated, but still). Thai seemed to have a smaller 747 fleet than Malaysian.


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User currently offlineBaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10032 times:

I would say the biggest operators were BA, ANA & JAL?

User currently offlineCX777Fan From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9978 times:

Air India have a few, don't know whether they would make the top 16. Don't forget Iran Air's classics and SPs as well. Asiana have at least half a dozen 744 combis. Do EVA have any 747s? Garuda?

Air Pacific is another minor player with a couple of 747s.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8130 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9968 times:

^
BR still has a sizeable fleet. At least 10-12 including combis.

Not even close Baexec.

NH only operates 10 at the moment.

[Edited 2006-08-11 10:28:30]


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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9946 times:

Indeed shame on you for forgetting KLM  Wink

They have 25 747's from wich 3 747-400ERF's, and there's a 4th freighter comming...


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9930 times:

JAPAN AIRLINES INTERNATIONAL 70
BRITISH AIRWAYS 57
NORTHWEST AIRLINES 46
KOREAN AIR 45
CATHAY PACIFIC AIRWAYS 37
QANTAS 36
CHINA AIRLINES 33
AIR FRANCE 32
UNITED AIRLINES 31
LUFTHANSA 30
ATLAS AIR 27
SINGAPORE AIRLINES 27
KLM ROYAL DUTCH AIRLINES 25
ALL NIPPON AIRWAYS 23
SAUDI ARABIAN AIRLINES 23
AIR ATLANTA ICELANDIC 22
MALAYSIA AIRLINES 21
THAI AIRWAYS INTERNATIONAL 20
EVA AIR 18
KALITTA AIR 18
AIR INDIA 16
IRAN AIR 15
SINGAPORE AIRLINES CARGO 15
ASIANA AIRLINES 14
CARGOLUX AIRLINES 14
EVERGREEN INTERNATIONAL 13
VIRGIN ATLANTIC AIRWAYS 13
AIR CHINA 12
NIPPON CARGO AIRLINES 12
PIA 11
POLAR AIR CARGO 11
SOUTH AFRICAN AIRWAYS 11
UNITED PARCEL SERVICE 11
EL AL ISRAEL AIRLINES 10


User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9909 times:

Quoting CX777Fan (Reply 9):
Do EVA have any 747s?

EVA has quite a few -- 5 passenger, 10 Combis and 3 744Fs.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 10):
NH only operates 10 at the moment

NH had 27 a year age ... have they really got shot of 17 since then?



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User currently offlineNZ560 From New Zealand, joined May 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9890 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 2):

Hasn't Air New Zealand a rather small 747 fleet compared to the others?

NZ only have 8 744R's.



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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1561 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9872 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 12):
JAPAN AIRLINES INTERNATIONAL 70
BRITISH AIRWAYS 57
NORTHWEST AIRLINES 46
KOREAN AIR 45
CATHAY PACIFIC AIRWAYS 37
QANTAS 36
CHINA AIRLINES 33
AIR FRANCE 32
UNITED AIRLINES 31
LUFTHANSA 30
ATLAS AIR 27
SINGAPORE AIRLINES 27
KLM ROYAL DUTCH AIRLINES 25
ALL NIPPON AIRWAYS 23
SAUDI ARABIAN AIRLINES 23
AIR ATLANTA ICELANDIC 22

There are the sixteen major operators.

How many operators all together?



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User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9841 times:

Quoting CX777Fan (Reply 9):
Garuda?

They only have (operate) three, AFAIK.


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9747 times:

Quote:
JAPAN AIRLINES INTERNATIONAL 70
BRITISH AIRWAYS 57
NORTHWEST AIRLINES 46
KOREAN AIR 45
CATHAY PACIFIC AIRWAYS 37
QANTAS 36
CHINA AIRLINES 33
AIR FRANCE 32
UNITED AIRLINES 31
LUFTHANSA 30
ATLAS AIR 27
SINGAPORE AIRLINES 27
KLM ROYAL DUTCH AIRLINES 25
ALL NIPPON AIRWAYS 23
SAUDI ARABIAN AIRLINES 23
AIR ATLANTA ICELANDIC 22
MALAYSIA AIRLINES 21
THAI AIRWAYS INTERNATIONAL 20
EVA AIR 18
KALITTA AIR 18
AIR INDIA 16
IRAN AIR 15
SINGAPORE AIRLINES CARGO 15
ASIANA AIRLINES 14
CARGOLUX AIRLINES 14
EVERGREEN INTERNATIONAL 13
VIRGIN ATLANTIC AIRWAYS 13
AIR CHINA 12
NIPPON CARGO AIRLINES 12
PIA 11
POLAR AIR CARGO 11
SOUTH AFRICAN AIRWAYS 11
UNITED PARCEL SERVICE 11
EL AL ISRAEL AIRLINES 10

Actually SQ should be 5th at the list, because you also counted the KL cargo planes in the 25 listed, and when you count the 15 cargo planes up to the 27 pax planes you would get 43...


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9651 times:

What % of the the worlds active 747 fleet would these 16 airlines fly combined? Passenger and cargo aircraft seperated and let us count combi's as passenger aircraft.

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 15):
Quoting Keesje (Reply 12):
JAPAN AIRLINES INTERNATIONAL 70
BRITISH AIRWAYS 57
NORTHWEST AIRLINES 46
KOREAN AIR 45
CATHAY PACIFIC AIRWAYS 37
QANTAS 36
CHINA AIRLINES 33
AIR FRANCE 32
UNITED AIRLINES 31
LUFTHANSA 30
ATLAS AIR 27
SINGAPORE AIRLINES 27
KLM ROYAL DUTCH AIRLINES 25
ALL NIPPON AIRWAYS 23
SAUDI ARABIAN AIRLINES 23
AIR ATLANTA ICELANDIC 22

Total is 560 for passenger and cargo aircraft combined. However I would add SIA's 15 freighters to the list aswell, take out Air Atlanta Icelandic and replace it with number 17 on the list, MH. That would give a total of 574.

Can anyone come up with a list of the current 16 biggest 744 operators? I guess that would add TG, MH and OZ to the list and atleast eliminate Air Atlanta Icelandic, Polar and ...?



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8130 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9562 times:

No they haven't got rid of 17, but I forgot about the -481Ds  Wink


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User currently offlineBaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9369 times:

So if we now have the top 16 list how do Airbus claim they have half of them as customers?

I can only see SQ, AF, LH, KE and QF. That's less than a third.



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User currently offlineLjungdahl From Sweden, joined Apr 2002, 907 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9316 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 12):
IRAN AIR 15

There might be 15 747s delivered to Iran, but a fair number of those is operated for the Iranian Air Force, also some of them are grounded for good AFAIK.

/Johan


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7471 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9305 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 18):
Can anyone come up with a list of the current 16 biggest 744 operators?

BA is the biggest with 57.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8307 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9287 times:

Quoting Baflyer (Reply 20):
So if we now have the top 16 list how do Airbus claim they have half of them as customers?

If you count only top 16 passenger carriers operating the 747, using the above list, IIRC at least 7 of them have ordered the A380. That's pretty close to half of them.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9259 times:

Quoting Baflyer (Reply 20):
So if we now have the top 16 list how do Airbus claim they have half of them as customers?

I can only see SQ, AF, LH, KE and QF. That's less than a third.

Something might have been lost in the translation, I doubt Air Icelandic's fleet of 747's classic and Atlas Air Cargo's fleet are of any relevance when talking about the worlds largest 747 "airlines". That would move MH and TG (2 A380 customers) into the top 16.

Another possibility is the worlds largest 747 airlines quote was the worlds largest 744 airlines.

Or is a A380 order on the horizon...  cheerful 



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25 BAflyer : Fair comments - but Airbus are doing exactly what they are complaining Boeing are doing - massaging the numbers to suit their own purpose. They both
26 Gr8Circle : AI currently have a fleet of 14 747s, consisting of 12 744's and 2 743's....
27 Richardw : Which airport, and at what time of day, has the largest number of B747 on the ground?
28 Post contains links AMSSFO : from http://airlinerlist.com/ which is one of the more reliable sites 67 Japan AL 57 British AW 46 Korean Air 41 Singapore AL 36 Cathay Pacific 35 Qan
29 EDDB : If I were an Airbus manager I would be very relaxed, cause if only have of these 'Big 16' orders the A380 equivalent to the number of 747s they're ope
30 1337Delta764 : JAL is even larger, with 60. BA operates more 747-400s though.
31 Haggis79 : actually, what I was just wondering.... may they have counted KL and AF as one?
32 LHR777 : True - in fact, BA operates only 747-400's!
33 Jfr : The Polar numbers should be for Atlas and Polar together - same company after all.......
34 KLM685 : No they're not, they were counted as individual airlines.
35 Lijnden : What about a list of only the original buyers of 747's of all series? I am sure we will see Pan Am up there as well as TWA and not Polar Tigers. How a
36 Mowtoib : Not quite true... If we look at the list compiled by Keesje and edited by CXA330300 (note his nick!) we will actually see more Airbus customers: BA -
37 Post contains images Skip17 : According to wikipedia (althought not sure precise) these are the top: Japan Airlines (60) British Airways (57) Korean Air (42) Cathay Pacific (37) Ai
38 KBGRbillT : I 2nd that, and the thread is asking for the 16 major Operators, not just passenger airlines so with 41 B747F's (according to Atlas's website) that w
39 Tbear815 : Mowtoib - Even though they have few, both SQ and TG fly the A340-500. And yes, it would be interesting to see what airline has ordered the most 747's
40 ZK-NBT : JL by a country mile!! I'm not sure exactly how many but it would be around 120+! I think JL's include Freighters aswell.
41 VV701 : Sorry. I thought it was clear that I was responding to a question about operators of the 744 and not all models of the 747:
42 BA787 : BA operates the biggest fleet of 744's JAL operates the biggest combined fleet
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