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DL To Start BOS-PHF (Newport News, Virginia)  
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5124 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/060811/103684.html

surprised it took DL this long to add this route since FL has been running it for a while now.  Yeah sure

new 2X daily CRJ service to begin 11/15.

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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5101 times:

Air Tran is an obvious factor in this, but then again, PHF has developed pretty good for Delta in general. Still, I don't give this route much of a future.

User currently offlineSJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5097 times:

who all flies to Newport News?

i know DL to ATL and now BOS
and FL to ATL and BOS
and US to PHL?



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User currently offlineDelta787 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5073 times:

Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 2):
who all flies to Newport News?

i know DL to ATL and now BOS
and FL to ATL and BOS
and US to PHL?

Taken from Wikipedia

AirTran Airways (Atlanta, Boston, New York-LaGuardia, Orlando)

Delta Air Lines (Atlanta)
Delta Connection operated by Atlantic Southeast Airlines (Atlanta)
Delta Connection operated by Freedom Airlines (Orlando [seasonal])

US Airways
US Airways Express operated by Air Wisconsin (Charlotte, Philadelphia)
US Airways Express operated by Piedmont Airlines (Charlotte, Philadelphia)



Fly Delta!
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5047 times:

Where is the "supposed" expansion that Delta was supposed to do Monday and/or today?


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5041 times:

Quoting Delta787 (Reply 3):
US Airways
US Airways Express operated by Air Wisconsin (Charlotte, Philadelphia)
US Airways Express operated by Piedmont Airlines (Charlotte, Philadelphia)

Just out of curiousity, when did Piedmont d/b/a US Airways Express stop flying Newport News-Norfolk? I remember taking that six-minute flight back in 2003 following a VDB on PHF-CLT, and connecting from Norfolk to LaGuardia.



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4970 times:

Why didn't they just start RIC-BOS instead????


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6578 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4966 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 6):
Why didn't they just start RIC-BOS instead????

Because Airtran flies PHF-BOS and DL loves to throw RJ's at Airtran routes.


User currently offlineOkie73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4936 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 7):
Because Airtran flies PHF-BOS and DL loves to throw RJ's at Airtran routes.

seems to work. You only have to take a portion of Airtrans passengers to cause them to lose money on the route.


User currently offline28thguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4786 times:

You can bet your last dollar that when AirTran pulls down their newly-inaugurated BOS-Florida routes, Delta won't be flying BOS-Newport News anymore.

Same with ACY-MCO if Spirit withdraws from ATL-Florida.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4696 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 7):
Because Airtran flies PHF-BOS and DL loves to throw RJ's at Airtran routes.

Well, Jetblue flies RIC-JFK and DL loves to throw RJ's at B6 routes as well. Why not RIC-BOS?



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 10):
Well, Jetblue flies RIC-JFK and DL loves to throw RJ's at B6 routes as well. Why not RIC-BOS?

Umm, can you name some examples? Last I know, DL mostly "threw mainline planes" at B6 routes, not RJs. At least I don't see any CRJs on JFK-DEN or JFK-SEA.


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4580 times:

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 8):
You only have to take a portion of Airtrans passengers to cause them to lose money on the route.

If the fares match FL, the CRJ loses considerably. The CRJ economics prevent its profitability at LCC fares.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11):
Umm, can you name some examples? Last I know, DL mostly "threw mainline planes" at B6 routes, not RJs. At least I don't see any CRJs on JFK-DEN or JFK-SEA.

Very true, B6 forced DL to create an airline- Song.


User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4560 times:

I got a promotion from Delta offering $79/each way for this route...

User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11):
Umm, can you name some examples? Last I know, DL mostly "threw mainline planes" at B6 routes, not RJs. At least I don't see any CRJs on JFK-DEN or JFK-SEA.

On July 5, Delta started 3x daily, non-stop flights from RIC-JFK with CRJ's. The route was originally supposed to be started with Dash 8's but the public raved about how they would be murdered on the route with Jetblue flying the same route with jets, tvs, etc... I believe the same goes for some of the other routes Delta started out of JFK these past few months.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4510 times:
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Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11):
Umm, can you name some examples? Last I know, DL mostly "threw mainline planes" at B6 routes, not RJs

JFK-BUF DL=CRJ
JFK-SYR DL=DH8
JFK-RIC DL=CRJ
JFK-BOS DL=CRJ
JFK-RDU DL=CRJ
JFK-IAD DL=DH8
JFK-PWM DL=DH8
JFK-BTV DL=CRJ/DH8

to name a few



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User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3382 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

In Delta's defense:

JFK-BOS and JFK-RDU were served long before jetBlue was even born.

PJ


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

Oh, of course, I completely forgot, Delta never adds routes to feed their international traffic, it's always only just to p*ss off B6, right? And never mind the fact that most of these routes used to be served even before B6 was a wet dream of Neeleman, and were discontinued by a man who had no idea how to run an airline.

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 16):
JFK-BOS and JFK-RDU were served long before jetBlue was even born.

So was JFK-IAD.


User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4472 times:
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Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 17):
Oh, of course, I completely forgot, Delta never adds routes to feed their international traffic, it's always only just to p*ss off B6, right? And never mind the fact that most of these routes used to be served even before B6 was a wet dream of Neeleman, and were discontinued by a man who had no idea how to run an airline.

Feeding international traffic is one of the reasons DL started these routes but another was to try to weaken/annoy Jetblue. If it wasn't they wouldn't advertise low fares to compete with Jetblue on those routes. I know I saw alot of those banner ads her on a.net when service first started and I do see them from time to time now.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4457 times:

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 18):
Feeding international traffic is one of the reasons DL started these routes but another was to try to weaken/annoy Jetblue. If it wasn't they wouldn't advertise low fares to compete with Jetblue on those routes.

Interesting logic. Last I read Delta was offering low introductory fares on ATL-DKR-JNB. Didn't know that JetBlue was flying that route as well.


User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4434 times:
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Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 19):
Interesting logic. Last I read Delta was offering low introductory fares on ATL-DKR-JNB. Didn't know that JetBlue was flying that route as well.

No Jetblue doesn't serve that route and ATL-JNB is not a route that is designed to feed traffic. Delta is offering low introductory fares between ATL-JNB because they want people to travel ATL-JNB on DL. If PWM-JFKs sole purpose was to allow pax to connect international cities, why bother to advetise flights for Jetblue's $59 fare when most of your seats are going to be occupied by Int'l connections.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 12):
If the fares match FL, the CRJ loses considerably. The CRJ economics prevent its profitability at LCC fares.

Simply not true. RJs can and do operate profitably in many markets that have Low fares. They succeed because DL has a good revenue management department. Even in low fare markets, there are fares worth several hundred dollars. Profitability comes by taking fewer of the deepest discount fares and more of the upper end fares. With only 50 seats to fill, it's alot easier to take just a handul of the cheap seats and top off with a higher percentage of three digit fares.

DL already flies BOS-ORF. By adding BOS-PHF they are putting pressure on FL by having twice as many flights in essentially the same market. Not sure how successful it will be but FL has been adding flights in several markets and probably in DL's mind is partly to blame for this pissing contest between FL and NK because FL decided to go into Detroit. I'm a little surprised we haven't seen any route changes from NW because of this little FL-NK spat.


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2971 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 10):
DL loves to throw RJ's at B6 routes as well

True. While it may not be DL's *complete* intention to compete with B6, they have thrown RJ's on a lot of B6's routes.

Some of the flights are for feeder traffic to the international bank at JFK; the rest are for mostly O&D traffic. For example, ROC-JFK operates 4x on DL (6x on B6), but only 2 of the flights match the international bank. I highly doubt the other 2 flights are for domestic connections while CVG and ATL are both well-served from ROC.

As for the topic at hand, this doesn't surprise me in the least. As someone said before, this is probably just retailiation for FL starting BOS-MCO/TPA/RSW, though I don't see AirTran as a major threat.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineTL8490 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 22):
Some of the flights are for feeder traffic to the international bank at JFK; the rest are for mostly O&D traffic. For example, ROC-JFK operates 4x on DL (6x on B6), but only 2 of the flights match the international bank. I highly doubt the other 2 flights are for domestic connections while CVG and ATL are both well-served from ROC.

You may want to look at the domestic connections...I know recently upstate NY travelers are looking at Delta to get to the west coast via NYC since Jetblue gave them the idea...Delta now is able to expand on that....


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