1rocco From United States, joined Dec 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1297 times:
Quoting Dc10s4ever (Thread starter): Good news is gives them more time to reach an agreement. Hope it works out for them.
That would be great if NWA was in the negotiating mood. Unfortunatly AFA and NWA have not been back at the table since TA2 was voted down. NWA is just dragging there feet till they find out how the judge is going to rule on there injunction to stop any kind of work action. Come on NWA why dont you try negotiating in good faith.. Ya right. Not going to happen.
Squid From United States, joined Jul 2005, 138 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1095 times:
- I was able to find a copy of the failed TA1 on line, the one NWA management imposed, and considering they are just FA's, I don't think the agreement is that bad. Really, the NWA FA's are being greedy considering NWA is in bankruptsy. Their starting pay was something like $17.85 per flight hour and tops out at year 15 at $almost $39.00 per flight hour. So basically if a FA flies 100 hours a month, they can make almost $4000. Their per diem is $1.65 and lead pay is $1.65 as well. So include lead pay and per diem and a FA at NWA can still make over $50,000 per year. Um, their not rocket scientists, their FA's, What is the problem here.
- Other things I noticed were the vacation, and a FA with 21 years does get three weeks paid time off, and considering how much time FA's normally have off I don't understand their problem with that either. And as far as sick time only being paid out at %70, well in my opinion that is just smart business sense to keep sick calls down.
- Additionally, NWA is offering their FA's a profit sharing plan based on pre-tax profits, so why is NWA considered a ruthless company? The FA's should be ashamed of themselves for this stunt while NWA is bankrupt. This CHAOS crap is not needed in order to turn NWA around. And in my opinion, if this is the TA they got after $195 million was extracted, well NWA FA's were very overpaid in my opinion and they should just be happy they got away with 5 years of ripping NWA off. I don't think the FA's have a valid reason to strike and I hope the judge see's that as well. Good luck NWA.
MalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1090 times:
What is the sense of threatening a strike if they are going to coward away from a strike. Do it, or dont.. If you cry wolf to many times no one will listen to you!
Ejmmsu From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 843 times:
Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 7): Yes, I do. But the two unions did not. They obviously had no sense of what their members wanted: bad faith. Actually, no faith.
So it is NW's fault that the Union Leadership was out of touch?
MalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 772 times:
Quoting Goaliemn (Reply 9): I'm sure some FAs have issues with voting in a new union, then telling them they did a bad job with negotiations. Are they any better off?
Anything is better of than dumpster diving! The FA Union has more ammunition now that the airline passed out those blasted books on how to save money.
Goaliemn From United States, joined Sep 2005, 462 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 713 times:
Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 10): The FA Union has more ammunition now that the airline passed out those blasted books on how to save money.
I don't know if its more ammunition.. It was supposed to be a helpful book to help people transition.. People at some stations are losing their job, per their contract, much like some FAs are as well. That wasn't a hidden fact.
NW should've checked them closer before handing them out.. at least they're reprinting them without the "list of ideas" I do think it was a nice thought, offering some tips, but the tips weren't that nice..
FlyGuyClt From United States, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 20 Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 654 times:
Quoting MattRB (Reply 12): The cynic in me wants to say this is just a PR move to garner some sympathy from the flying public..
We all have our opinions. We all have our commitments to safety. Seems to me if flight attendants are going to call themselves "safety professionals" they should walk the walk and talk the talk. It appears they are, cynical or not.
Tango-Bravo From United States, joined Jun 2001, 3346 posts, RR: 38 Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 611 times:
Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 6): What is the sense of threatening a strike if they are going to coward away from a strike. Do it, or dont.. If you cry wolf to many times no one will listen to you!
My sentiment exactly. From the instant I first read the headline "NW FAs Postpone Strike" it was ridiculously easy to read between the lines that what is happening for real is that the FAs and their union had already decided they would backpeddle on their threatened strike, regardless of the imposition of "totally unacceptable" cuts by NW management. The air travel mess created by heightened security from 10 August served as a convenient and perfectly timed event for the union and its members to back down from their empty threat of a CHAOS action or strike without appearing to cave in.
Plain and simple, it's yet another case of an airline union and its members crying wolf, only this time there was a ready-made, perfectly-timed excuse to grab onto in attempting to explain away the real reason for postponing their strike.
Bottom line, it's way past time for the airline unions and their members to put up or shut up. Their empty rhetoric and bluster on repeated occasions has become nauseating, to say nothing of a farce that has left the unions and their members acutely credibility-challenged in the bargaining process. Be sure that management can see through this latest charade, this time by the NW FA union and its members, which will only further reinforce the belief of management that labor is not to be taken seriously.
Philhyde From United States, joined Aug 2003, 609 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 594 times:
Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 15): The air travel mess created by heightened security from 10 August served as a convenient and perfectly timed event for the union and its members to back down from their empty threat of a CHAOS action or strike without appearing to cave in.
True or not, it sure is easy to say that in hindsight, no?
FlyGuyClt From United States, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 20 Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 532 times:
Quoting Squid (Reply 5): - I was able to find a copy of the failed TA1 on line, the one NWA management imposed, and considering they are just FA's, I don't think the agreement is that bad. Really, the NWA FA's are being greedy considering NWA is in bankruptsy. Their starting pay was something like $17.85 per flight hour and tops out at year 15 at $almost $39.00 per flight hour. So basically if a FA flies 100 hours a month, they can make almost $4000. Their per diem is $1.65 and lead pay is $1.65 as well. So include lead pay and per diem and a FA at NWA can still make over $50,000 per year. Um, their not rocket scientists, their FA's, What is the problem here.
- Other things I noticed were the vacation, and a FA with 21 years does get three weeks paid time off, and considering how much time FA's normally have off I don't understand their problem with that either. And as far as sick time only being paid out at %70, well in my opinion that is just smart business sense to keep sick calls down.
- Additionally, NWA is offering their FA's a profit sharing plan based on pre-tax profits, so why is NWA considered a ruthless company? The FA's should be ashamed of themselves for this stunt while NWA is bankrupt. This CHAOS crap is not needed in order to turn NWA around. And in my opinion, if this is the TA they got after $195 million was extracted, well NWA FA's were very overpaid in my opinion and they should just be happy they got away with 5 years of ripping NWA off. I don't think the FA's have a valid reason to strike and I hope the judge see's that as well. Good luck NWA.
-Well if you fly 100 hours of flight time a month. You are in your bed on average a whopping 11 nights per month. So if you are away from base on duty flying 100 hours. To get 100 hours of flying in, it takes around 400 hours away from base. So break that down to this: $10.41 per hour for that $50,000 you are talking about.
-Read above. Now repeat your line of "normally" have off?
-Flight Attendants often get sick from being on board. Meaning stuck in a metal tube for hours on end with sick passengers. A flight attendant can not fly with a head cold, ears will blow and that is 30 days off to heal.
-Just what do you think a flight attendant does anyhow?
-Spell check is complimentary and can be found at the upper left corner.
Ikramerica From United States, joined May 2005, 18453 posts, RR: 60 Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 521 times:
Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 18): -Well if you fly 100 hours of flight time a month. You are in your bed on average a whopping 11 nights per month. So if you are away from base on duty flying 100 hours. To get 100 hours of flying in, it takes around 400 hours away from base. So break that down to this: $10.41 per hour for that $50,000 you are talking about.
This is the life F/A's CHOOSE! This is such a lame argument.
F/A's choose this job knowing they will have to spend nights away from home. If they don't want to, then don't become an F/A. Work at a station, or work in another industry. One would assume F/A's choose to be F/As because they LIKE to travel, not because they are forced to.
Nobody gets paid for time they don't work. Other than being put up in hotels, what do you want the airline to do? Pay you to sleep?
If you are older and have a family and don't want to spend a lot of time away from home, you are in the wrong profession.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
History proves the worth of the professional flight attendant. Always ready for the unknown. Your unkind words. Well they are just words. Too many flight attendants have done their job and done it well.
FlyGuyClt From United States, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 20 Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 505 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 19): This is the life F/A's CHOOSE! This is such a lame argument.
F/A's choose this job knowing they will have to spend nights away from home. If they don't want to, then don't become an F/A. Work at a station, or work in another industry. One would assume F/A's choose to be F/As because they LIKE to travel, not because they are forced to.
Nobody gets paid for time they don't work. Other than being put up in hotels, what do you want the airline to do? Pay you to sleep?
If you are older and have a family and don't want to spend a lot of time away from home, you are in the wrong profession.
Please direct your anger somewhere else.
I was stating things like:
-They don't have massive amounts of time off.
-They put in long hours to get that money and it is well earned. It is not a cake walk job as some would make you think. NO, that is not a complaint. It is a fact of the job and what it entails.
-Why they tend to get sick more often then other professions.
-I did not say they don't like to travel.
-I never said anything about paying someone to sleep.
Questions for you if you don't mind?
Your profile says you like to "relax" but you post in anger on more than one occasion. How is that relaxing?
Many people have put you on their Respected list. Yet, you only have a few. Could you be a little selfish?
I guess just like flight attendants prove themselves selflessly everyday by just doing their jobs well. You prove yourself by your postings and profile.
Ben330NWA From United States, joined Feb 2006, 36 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 417 times:
Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 18): Quoting Squid (Reply 5):- I was able to find a copy of the failed TA1 on line, the one NWA management imposed, and considering they are just FA's, I don't think the agreement is that bad. Really, the NWA FA's are being greedy considering NWA is in bankruptsy. Their starting pay was something like $17.85 per flight hour and tops out at year 15 at $almost $39.00 per flight hour. So basically if a FA flies 100 hours a month, they can make almost $4000. Their per diem is $1.65 and lead pay is $1.65 as well. So include lead pay and per diem and a FA at NWA can still make over $50,000 per year. Um, their not rocket scientists, their FA's, What is the problem here.
- Other things I noticed were the vacation, and a FA with 21 years does get three weeks paid time off, and considering how much time FA's normally have off I don't understand their problem with that either. And as far as sick time only being paid out at %70, well in my opinion that is just smart business sense to keep sick calls down.
- Additionally, NWA is offering their FA's a profit sharing plan based on pre-tax profits, so why is NWA considered a ruthless company? The FA's should be ashamed of themselves for this stunt while NWA is bankrupt. This CHAOS crap is not needed in order to turn NWA around. And in my opinion, if this is the TA they got after $195 million was extracted, well NWA FA's were very overpaid in my opinion and they should just be happy they got away with 5 years of ripping NWA off. I don't think the FA's have a valid reason to strike and I hope the judge see's that as well. Good luck NWA.
-Well if you fly 100 hours of flight time a month. You are in your bed on average a whopping 11 nights per month. So if you are away from base on duty flying 100 hours. To get 100 hours of flying in, it takes around 400 hours away from base. So break that down to this: $10.41 per hour for that $50,000 you are talking about.
-Read above. Now repeat your line of "normally" have off?
-Flight Attendants often get sick from being on board. Meaning stuck in a metal tube for hours on end with sick passengers. A flight attendant can not fly with a head cold, ears will blow and that is 30 days off to heal.
-Just what do you think a flight attendant does anyhow?
I don't think that people understand a certain fact about flight attendant pay. While that $17.00 or $39.00 an hour looks great on paper, you have to realize that many times flight attendants work up to 14+ hours a day...and during those 14 or so hours they might only get paid for flying maybe 4:15 of that entire day. And it's not like EVERYONE gets to work as many hours as they want to or bid for trips that give them a ton of time off. It just amazes me after reading so many of these posts and seeing what you all think of flight attendants and their "greed." You guys act as though this work group is driving around in BMW's or Lexus's and going home to huge houses and whining about their pay. Yes this is the life that many of them choose to live, but they didn't ask for wages that would put them on government assistance. Many of them stay because this is something that is in their blood. Something that they have dedicated much of their lives too. Not only that, it has only been a few years I think maybe 6-7, that the NWA flight attendants received a contract that put them on par with other airlines, before that many of them were still living on government assistance. So before all of you jump on flight attendants who are merely struggling and fighting to receive what is fair, put yourselves in their shoes. There are MANY things that happen internally at NWA that never see the light of day, yet have such a negative impact on the work groups. No one truly understands the position of these people unless they are in it. Now while it is easy for everyone to log on and type up what they think of these people, it's not so easy for them who have to make it in the world without anyone to turn to.
AASTEW From Dominican Republic, joined Oct 2001, 420 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 411 times:
Finally someone with some sense, makes a comment about the Flight Attendant profession. Many on here love to make assumptions about the job and pay. Many A.netters have no clue!
TVNWZ From United States, joined Feb 2006, 1587 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 326 times:
Quoting Ben330NWA (Reply 22): put yourselves in their shoes. There are MANY things that happen internally at NWA that never see the light of day, yet have such a negative impact on the work groups. No one truly understands the position of these people unless they are in it. Now while it is easy for everyone to log on and type up what they think of these people, it's not so easy for them who have to make it in the world without anyone to turn to.
Then quit. There are those that will work under these conditions. Let them.
26 ASFlyer: Yes, and they can find plenty of 10 years olds to work in sweat shops in foriegn countries - does that make it okay?
27 Ben330NWA: That's a great way to look at things. So if your management at your company slashed your pay and benefits to the point of you needing government assi
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