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DL ATL-EDI - How Is It Doing?  
User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5913 times:

How is DL's service between ATL and EDI doing? How have the loads been, and does anyone know if they look sustainable?

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User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5883 times:

something i would like to know as well!!

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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5869 times:

AFAIK, loads recently have been around the 78% mark


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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5812 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 2):
AFAIK, loads recently have been around the 78% mark

What about the yields? As many people have noted here on a.net in the past, while load factors are some indication of performance (a route with a 20% LF obviously isn't making any money), the yield is really the key to evaluating a route's success.


User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5780 times:

79% load factor for it's first month in June. Not sure on the biz-eco split, but the route is carrying a lot of cargo.

User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5639 times:

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 3):
What about the yields?

Front has been completely full on a few ocassions, but it's more a leisure route with people connecting to Florida



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4880 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5617 times:
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Quoting Gkirk (Reply 5):
Front has been completely full on a few ocassions,

Front being full could simply mean a lot of non-revs, which is likely in this case as EDI is a new destination/route for DL...


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5560 times:

Well, if the route is carrying lots of cargo, that should help the financials of the flights if yields for pax are rather low. Still, at least the 79% LF is higher than many people would have probably expected.

User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2266 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5543 times:

79% at the height of summer ? Wonder what it will be in deepest winter (and yes I know the frequency is having to be reduced during the winter )

[Edited 2006-08-12 12:47:02]

User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

Quoting BY738 (Reply 8):
79% at the height of summer ? Wonder what it will be in deepest winter (and yes I know the frequency is having to be reduced during the winter )

More than it would have been at GLA?  Wink Give it time, it's just a new route after all.



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User currently offlineHUYguy From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5456 times:

Is this route being operated on the 764?

User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5449 times:

Quoting HUYguy (Reply 10):
Is this route being operated on the 764?

No, the 767-300ER



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User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1982 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5397 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 9):
79% at the height of summer ?

87% for July if i remember correctly. I did the maths earlier on and can't be bothered rechecking  Smile

Gaz



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User currently offlineDamian From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5354 times:

I think it's 86% for July. 11,475 passengers. Not bad at all. It carried more passengers than many established Scotland-USA routes, including GLA-PHL and GLA-ORD. Pretty good going. Loads will, I'm sure be down for winter, but hopefully they will be sufficiently strong to keep the route afloat on a year-round basis. Well done, DL!  Smile

User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2266 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5257 times:

Quoting Damian (Reply 13):

I suppose with minimal competition to the US from EDI you would hope so.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5229 times:

Quoting BY738 (Reply 14):
I suppose with minimal competition to the US from EDI you would hope so.

More competition from EDI than GLA this coming winter!



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User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5054 times:

ATL-EDI only carried 42 less passengers over the whole month of July than ATL-MAN did, a route which has been around for a good few years. Read into that what you will but hopefully the EDI route can establish itself as well as the MAN route has, looking good though.

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

If its mostly Florida tourist then great. I'm happy that this flight is proving to be a money maker.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4455 times:

As far as yields go, I´m sure the yields for the aircraft dedicated to the route is pulling in more money than a Florida shuttle that was operated with the 767-300´s before they were converted to int´l configuration.

User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2266 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4389 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 15):

If you say so......


User currently offlineDamian From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4366 times:

Quoting BY738 (Reply 14):
I suppose with minimal competition to the US from EDI you would hope so

I'm not sure I agree the competition is "minimal". Just because CO and DL are the only airlines flying directly to the USA from EDI that doesn't mean they represent the sum total of passengers travelling between the Scottish capital and the United States. BA/AA, AF, KL, LH, EI, BD/UA etc. all compete with these airlines from EDI, albeit on an indirect basis. Surface journeys to MAN to access US flights are also not unheard of. Additionally, GLA is near enough to EDI that transatlantic flights there are just as much competition to EDI.

Under the circumstances, DL seems to have done pretty well at EDI.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

Quoting BY738 (Reply 19):
If you say so......

Daily CO and 5 x weekly DL vs Daily CO and 3 x weekly GSM isn't more competition?



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4123 times:

Question for the Scots here...is GLA more leisure and EDI more business/finance or the other way around. Or do both cities have the same amount of that type of travel?

Just curious. Thanks all.

Bill



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4081 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 22):
Question for the Scots here...is GLA more leisure and EDI more business/finance or the other way around.

EDI is a high yielding destination, although it does have a mix of Business and Leisure pax. GLA is for the most part, a low yielding outbiound leisure airport.



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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5127 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4057 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 22):
Question for the Scots here...is GLA more leisure and EDI more business/finance or the other way around. Or do both cities have the same amount of that type of travel?

Edinburgh is the second most important business destination in the UK, after london. There are a lot of large companies based in Edinburgh, specifically Standard Life, Royal Bank Of Scotland, HBOS etc.

If you look at the traffic at each airport, you will see that most of Edinburghs traffic is scheduled european flights, with very little in the way of charter services. Glasgow on the other hand is the opposite, very few euro destinations, and a huge charter market.

Most of Edinburghs flights are year round, there are only a few summer-only services. A lot of Glasgows flights are summer only, the airport is pretty queit during the winter, so much so that BAA has offered airlines reduced fees during the winter to attract services.



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