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Samoan Governor Responds To FAA Warnings  
User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6872 times:

American Samoa's Governor Togiola Tulafono has responded to the FAA warnings against implementing a ban of Hawaiian Airlines flights into the territory. If you have been following this saga, the Governor has accused Hawaiian Airlines of discriminatory treatment of his constituents, including higher fares for Samoans, higher change fees, cancellation fees, and my personal favorite, accusing Hawaiian's flight attendants of discriminating against his people because we don't offer DIGEplayers on PPG flights. (We don't offer DIGEplayers on these flights because of storage issues, the flights are catered for a roundtrip out of HNL)
Amongst his latest outbursts are "The FAA has no authority to control an air carrier that uses its operating authority in various abusive ways to damage people as they run uncontrolled in a monopoly situation,"
This article is very interesting and gives a much clearer view of Mr. Tulafono's mindset and what HA is dealing with.
Read the article here:

http://www.pacificmagazine.net/pina/pinadefault2.php?urlpinaid=24004

And in a related matter, HA has asked the U.S. D.O.T. to issue a ruling regarding Governor Tulafono's executive order banning HA from American Samoa
Article here:

http://www.pacificmagazine.net/pina/pinadefault2.php?urlpinaid=24020

Aloha,
HALFA


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25248 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6843 times:
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So it would seem that the Governor does have a case, because there would appear to be a conflict of law.

Whether he wins the case or not is another matter, but it could resolve several gray areas of jurisdiction, and the interpretation of law.

So some good could come of all this, regardless of the outcome.  Smile

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6762 times:

Maybe someone on that side of the planet or otherwise in-the-know can answer this, but is this guy an elected official, or was he appointed?

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9637 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6689 times:

This is an interesting battle about what powers US territories have. Yes they can control their borders, but they are still under the power of the FAA. I wonder where this battle will go and if it will have any other ramifications.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25248 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6675 times:
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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):
This is an interesting battle about what powers US territories have.

I think you just hit the nail smack on the head.  checkmark 

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6638 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 2):
is this guy an elected official, or was he appointed?

Togiola Tulafono was the Lt. Governor when the acting Governor, Tauese Sunia died of a heart attack while flying from Apia to Honolulu in March of 2003.
Mr. Tulafono was then reelected by the American Samoan people in the fall of 2004. He will be up for reelection in Nov of 2008.

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6577 times:

There are the makings of a movie here.


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17495 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6498 times:

I think we've found our next Hugo Chavez Silly


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3643 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6433 times:

So what exactly are our interests in Samoa. Why are we still there and do we really care anymore? Free Samoa!

User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6329 times:

AM has been a territory for over a hundred years. American Samoans are US nationals and are free to live and work anywhere in the US, they elect a Governer, have representation in Congress, receive millions in federal funds for schools, infrastructure etc. Many American Samoans also serve in the US military. I'm not sure if "Freeing Samoa" or independence is something they are asking for, then again I dont live there and have not really studied the issue. This isn't an Iraq situation where we are 'there', we have been in American Samoa for a long time and I would imagine they get a lot of benefits in being associated with the US.

I would also imagine any US airline would be able to offer service to American Samoa if they wanted, but obviously they aren't beating down the doors to do so.

__________

Executive branch: chief of state: President George W. BUSH of the US (since 20 January 2001); Vice President Richard B. CHENEY (since 20 January 2001)
head of government: Governor Togiola TULAFONO (since 7 April 2003)
cabinet: Cabinet made up of 12 department directors
elections: under the US Consitution, residents of unincorporated territories, such as American Samoa, do not vote in elections for US president and vice president; governor and lieutenant governor elected on the same ticket by popular vote for four-year terms (eligible for a second term); election last held 2 and 16 November 2004 (next to be held November 2008)
election results: Togiola TULAFONO elected governor; percent of vote - Togiola TULAFONO 55.7%, Afoa Moega LUTU 44.3%


User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6231 times:

I have a LOT of support for the governor on this issue.

It is ironic that many Americans on this board decry him as a dictator (actually, he's democratically elected) and point out that American Samoa is the USA, and that therefore Pago Pago - HNL is a domestic flight, and the FAA rules.

Actually, Hawaiian and the FAA are screwing the Samoans.

American Samoans don't get a vote in US Presidential elections, so who is the dictator here? And when Hawaiian want to charge exorbitant fares they do so on the basis that Pago Pago - HNL is an international flight, but then when there is talk of allowing international competition (eg the much leaner, cheaper Polynesian Blue) Hawaiian and the FAA hide behind saying "but it's a domestic route, so no cabotage by foreign airlines is allowed".

In other words, Samoans are not American enough to be allowed to vote, but they are American enough to only be allowed to be serviced by American airlines. And they are not American enough to get domestic-sized fares (even though they are closer to HNL than California is), but they are so American that foreign airlines (even fellow Samoan ones) aren't allowed to compete.

If Hawaiian really think it's such an expensive, unviable route they could just leave and stick to their other routes. But oh no, they can't be prised out of Pago Pago, they're hanging on for dear life.

And why not, they are charging the highest seat/mile fares in the entire US airline market on this route! Shame on them. It's like Continental Micronesia. They are ripping off the poorest "Americans" and abusing their monopoly status, which they get largely by the blind application of cabotage rules to a territory which is nowhere near the rest of the USA.


User currently offlineMeechy36 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6089 times:

Quoting Koruman (Reply 10):
If Hawaiian really think it's such an expensive, unviable route they could just leave and stick to their other routes. But oh no, they can't be prised out of Pago Pago, they're hanging on for dear life.

And why not, they are charging the highest seat/mile fares in the entire US airline market on this route! Shame on them. It's like Continental Micronesia. They are ripping off the poorest "Americans" and abusing their monopoly status, which they get largely by the blind application of cabotage rules to a territory which is nowhere near the rest of the USA.

The reason I don't agree with you is that there isn't any other domestic airlines beating a path to Pago Pago. How many people a month are carried on that route. How much cargo is carried on this route? What fare is considered a break even fare on this route?

Comparing California to Hawaii to Pago Pago to Hawaii is apples and oranges, the volume alone from the US to Hawaii makes it viable. If HA pulled out and Aloha or another carrier took over does the governor really think the fares would go down or would he just assume lose all air service, that'll do wonders for the economy.

As for service I really can't comment since I don't know enough about it but HALFA's explaination made sense to me.

Also, do Somoans qualify for government assistance such as food stamps and medicare? Puerto Rico is a territory also and they aren't allowed to vote in Presidential elections either but they enjoy all the other benefits of being a citizen, so if the Somoans are in the same group I agree with the FAA that this is a domestic route. The governor seems to want it all, all the handouts from the US but none of the regulations.

mikeBOS


User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6008 times:

I'm thinking without Federal assistance, the prospects of Samoa wouldn't exactly be bright. 1/3rd of Samoa's economy is based upon government jobs and another third is secondary economy (retail/service industry). As an independent nation with no aid Samoa would likely end up much like Nauru. Employment is somewhere around 50%. Samoa has it's own constitution so things ARE a bit different than here. Lest everyone forget, the US isn't the only nation with such territories. France has quite a few (Guadeloupe and St. Pierre et Miquelon come to mind).

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17495 posts, RR: 45
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5985 times:

Quoting Koruman (Reply 10):
Actually, Hawaiian and the FAA are screwing the Samoans.

Boo-frickin'-hoo. If they hate the service so much, they can start their own. Hawaiian should just cut the route and see how they enjoy zero service versus HA's service.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5900 times:

Quoting Koruman (Reply 10):
I have a LOT of support for the governor on this issue.

It is ironic that many Americans on this board decry him as a dictator (actually, he's democratically elected) and point out that American Samoa is the USA, and that therefore Pago Pago - HNL is a domestic flight, and the FAA rules.

Actually, Hawaiian and the FAA are screwing the Samoans.

American Samoans don't get a vote in US Presidential elections, so who is the dictator here? And when Hawaiian want to charge exorbitant fares they do so on the basis that Pago Pago - HNL is an international flight, but then when there is talk of allowing international competition (eg the much leaner, cheaper Polynesian Blue) Hawaiian and the FAA hide behind saying "but it's a domestic route, so no cabotage by foreign airlines is allowed".

You left out the part where if you live on American Samoa you don't pay federal income taxes, they receive money form the US govt and don't have to maintain any sort of defense since that's the responsibility of the United States.


User currently offlineKDCA From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5871 times:

Isn't "The Rock" Samoan?

User currently offlineChgoflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5755 times:

Quoting Koruman (Reply 10):
American Samoans don't get a vote in US Presidential elections, so who is the dictator here?

Im sure that voting in Pres. elections could be arranged. However the first step that needs to be taken is a local branch of IRS opened to collect income tax



Will someone please wake me up in 4 years
User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5491 times:
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I'm not sure if the Governor has a legitimate beef or not, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't have the authority to override federal law.

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 8):
Why are we still there and do we really care anymore? Free Samoa!

They are freely associated with the US. They have voted on the issue and decided that being American is the way they want to go.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 10):
It is ironic that many Americans on this board decry him as a dictator

Stop that.....no one seriously accused him of being any sort of dictator. He's an American, and he's been freely elected. When his term is up he'll go peacefully. He may just be looking out for his people and making as many waves as possible to do it, and he may be looking for re-election votes.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 10):
And when Hawaiian want to charge exorbitant fares they do so on the basis that Pago Pago - HNL is an international flight, but then when there is talk of allowing international competition (eg the much leaner, cheaper Polynesian Blue) Hawaiian and the FAA hide behind saying "but it's a domestic route, so no cabotage by foreign airlines is allowed".

Perhaps the fares are such because no one else wants to run that route due to limited demand. Has there been some controversy where an airline was denied the right to service that route?

Quoting KDCA (Reply 15):
Isn't "The Rock" Samoan?

I think his mother is Samoan, his father is American of African descent.



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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 5431 times:

Quoting Koruman (Reply 10):
If Hawaiian really think it's such an expensive, unviable route they could just leave and stick to their other routes.

No, they can't. They are required by law to fly the route until a replacement carrier could be found...If no replacement wass found, they would have to fly it even if they didn't want to.

As far as lower fares go, Aloha tried the route in 2004 with very low fares and an increased bagage allowance and couldn't make it work on a 124 seat 737.

If Samoans were dying because of Hawaiian's 'preadatory/discriminatory pricing,' Aloha should have been completely full, but they weren't. Maybe its because Aloha doesn't offer "DigEPlayers" so people thought they were discriminating too!!!  Wink

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 5328 times:

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 18):
No, they can't. They are required by law to fly the route until a replacement carrier could be found...If no replacement wass found, they would have to fly it even if they didn't want to.

And if they still refused, what would happen ?



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5203 times:

Remember that this guy used to be an airline executive. It's pretty apparent that the "replacement" that he wants is something that he will have or have had an association with.

By the way, there's no conflict of laws situation here. This is an *executive order*, which may only be issued within certain narrow bounds. He has no authority to issue such an order, because it isn't within the scope of orders that he has power to issue AND is violates the Supremacy Clause. Forget it. It's over. It's not even a question. The only reason it's still in the paper is that nobody (but me, apparently) realized that this idiot would not be placated by an administrative decision of the FAA. Most people would get the FAA letter and let the thing go. This guy instead will require the mobilization of all the Federal machinery (DOT tribunal, courts, etc.) to spit out a formal legal opinion, and is apparently willing to spend his country's meager funds on legal counsel to fight a battle that he lost before it began. Pathetic.

Also, to demand "reparations" for his "people" from an Airline?! It seems like he's mentally-unbalanced.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25248 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5153 times:
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Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 20):
this idiot

So - what does that make the people who elected him? Obviously, your opinion of them cannot be high.

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 20):
his country's meager funds

When did American Samoa become "a country"?

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineSJCRRPAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 17):
They are freely associated with the US. They have voted on the issue and decided that being American is the way they want to go.

It has been my experience that Samoans are extremly proud of being associated with America. In fact, I have noticed they poke fun of Western Samoa because they don't have this association. I have also heard that more Samoans live on the mainland than in Samoa (very high birth rate, the Island could never support that life style.) One thing America does not need to worry about is Samoa declaring independence --- Samoans are about as loyal to America as a person can be.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4792 times:
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Quoting Mariner (Reply 21):
Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 20):
this idiot

So - what does that make the people who elected him? Obviously, your opinion of them cannot be high.

I wonder if you feel the same way about the people who call our president an idiot. They must think we're a pack of idiots, too, using your reasoning.

The man's not an idiot, but he's possibly corrupt. He slid into the position and won his first election as an incumbent. If he's really agitating for a piece of some pie then he's just a crook. If he's saying that Samoans are being discriminated against because they aren't getting some sort of IFE then that's a stretch. Either way it seems fishy

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 22):
It has been my experience that Samoans are extremly proud of being associated with America.

Mine as well. I had great friends in the Army who were Samoan and they were the best guys to have on your side of a dispute.



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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4767 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 19):

And if they still refused, what would happen ?

I am guessing that the DOT would levy VERY heavy fines on Hawaiian for violating federal law, which Hawaiian would be obligated to pay. Which essentially means that until the DOT says Hawaiian doesn't have to fly to Am. Samoa AND Hawaiian decides it doesn't want to, they will HAVE to fly the route.

-Aloha!



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25 Mariner : For the record, you quoted me, but it was not my statement. I do not regard voters as "idiots" and I have never referred to any elected representativ
26 PanAm747 : So, Governor Tulafono from American Samoa. Exactly how does he intend to force this ban? What he is doing is posturing for the voters - much the way p
27 Wjcandee : Now, now. Don't be putting words in my mouth. Maybe he didn't act in a manner that made it clear that he was certifiable until after he was elected.
28 Mariner : Refer to post #23. Sorry you got it wrong. cheers mariner
29 Gemuser : Guys, he is a POLITICIAN! He and his terriorty is also between a rock and a hard place. The obvious answer is call "open" tenders to run the route wit
30 Koruman : Given that American Samoa is 100 miles from the nation of Samoa, but thousands of miles from even Hawaii, it seems to me that a country like the USA w
31 Wjcandee : I did, and I don't get it. There are plenty of rabble-rousing politicians and politicians-posing-as-"community leaders" here in the States, including
32 Kanebear : ...and as soon as Oz allows SQ to fly the SYD-LAX route we'll be happy to look at that. Why is it the US Government's responsibility to look after th
33 Mariner : And the way to improve the debate is to dismiss the opponent as an idiot? But what if the grievances are genuine? What if he is using the HAL issue a
34 Kanebear : Rephrase that we as you. Please do not project your lack of knowledge and research into the situation onto others. It's simply not the case. Please d
35 Aeri28 : I really dont think you can compare FP to AS as they are entirely different. Just happen to be located in the South Pacific... I would hardly call FP
36 Alohajock : "Mahalo"! (Thank You) to HALFA for keeping all of us well informed on the "War of Words in the Pacific", and also those who provide some interesting i
37 Wjcandee : Oh, puh-leese. Nobody *dismissed* him as an idiot; I *characterized* him as an idiot. And I explained the logic underlying that conclusion. The Losin
38 Mariner : There is very little debate about the history of this controversy contained within this thread and only a couple of links to external sources. You ad
39 Laxintl : ATN was not created out of necessity, quite far from it. More like for ego. The Flosse mafia coerced many island business owners to put up money for
40 Post contains links HALFA : That is factually incorrect. Sources please? Do you always blurt out baseless statements or would you care to back them up with facts? The demand is
41 777fan : I'm still waiting for the Gov to present his case regarding HA's alleged discrimination against his citizens...sounds like pandering at its finest. No
42 Nzrich : This is very true but there is a major difference ..The Cook Islands is its country, but they have the right to live in NZ unlike American Samoa whic
43 SJCRRPAX : I'm not sure exactly what you meant by the above, but Samoans have the right to reside and work in the United States without restrictions and apply f
44 Mariner : I guess it was me, but why do you assume I didn't realize that? We were talking about Samoa - we could throw in Niue and the Tokelaus, as well, I gue
45 Cospn : From Mondays Paper: PAGOPAGO (Pacnews) — A defiant American Samoa Gov. Togiola Tulafono says the Federal Aviation Administration doesn’t control h
46 HAL : HALFA has done a great job at bringing this subject to everyone's attention. I'd like to add my perspective as a Hawaiian pilot to the mix. Did you kn
47 Nzrich : What i said was the difference between the cook islands and american samoa is that .The cooks are a independant country run by the cook islanders.. A
48 Travelin man : Exactly. That is why it is laughable that the governor of a US territory is trying to bar a US airline from its shores. They are not an independent c
49 777fan : Outstanding post that warrants a place on my RU list. Any HA employees scheduled to fly the HNL-OGG leg on August 26th (Sat)? I'm flying out for the
50 Bennett123 : Could AM create it's own airline.
51 Mariner : The old conundrum: Yes, American Samoa is not an independent country, it is a "territory" of the US. But why are flights from one point in the US - s
52 Travelin man : Since the FAA governs the skies, it doesn't seem to matter. They cannot ban a US airline from serving their territory.
53 Mariner : Perhaps it matters to them? I agree, it is extremely unlikely they can ban a US airline - I guess, in the end, the US could send in the cavalry - but
54 Travelin man : It's a really interesting situation, I agree. But I don't think it is interesting from a Legal perspective. It seems rather black & white. The questi
55 Robsawatsky : Because American Samoa still maintains its own Customs and Border Controls separate from the US Federal Gov't. So, even domestic US airlines have to
56 Mariner : That may be, although there is an essential legal contradiction, as provided in post #55. If the Governor's action seems extreme, I thought Mr. Udvar
57 Aloha73G : What law is he asking to be changed? The one that sets Hawaiian's fares? His dispute is with Hawaiian, its fares and its service. The legal dispute i
58 Mariner : I've no idea. But at the very least, there might seem to be a fuzzy area of law, which might do with some clarifcation: As per post #55 - if American
59 Travelin man : Aloha obviously could NOT afford the cheaper fares, because they no longer fly the route.
60 Mariner : Presumably, because they didn't get the loads they expected. I find it very hard to imagine that they said "oh, we'll fly the route and charge fares
61 MotorHussy : Why yes, but he wears a stetson. He's a Western Samoan. His mother comes from the village of Lalomanu on the Aleipata coast, one of the most beautifu
62 Travelin man : You guys are getting ridiculous. The fact is that there are advantages and disadvantages to living in a place with territorial status. The US has alw
63 SJCRRPAX : I think about 10 American Samoans have died in Iraq, But we have no draft. it is an all volunteer Military. Samoans living in American Samoa are not
64 Post contains images Mariner : PERIOD.? Wow. That means that there can be no discussion of an apparent anomaly as to who controls the borders of American Samoa - as the Governor cl
65 Post contains links Leelaw : American Samoa is considered an "unorganized territory" of the United States as well as an "insular area," which is United States territory that is n
66 Travelin man : It would seem that your effort to wring drama out of this is only exceeded by your lack of knowledge of the US Constitution. In your world, Interstat
67 Mariner : So - when you say PERIOD., you don't really mean "PERIOD."? But - for the record - i did not realize that US Constitution is an immutable document, o
68 Socal : It is only a matter of time the Governor is put in his place. Once again he fails to recognize he is under US Government Jurisdiction and all federal
69 Post contains links Ha763 : I was doing some searching and found out some interesting information about Aloha's PPG service that was in a recent Samoa News editorial. These were
70 Koruman : HAL's post is superb, but I disagree with much of it. It is standard practice for airlines to have to budget to carry mechanics on Pacific Island rout
71 MotorHussy : Yeah whatever?! Perhaps I should have mentioned that, unlike The Rock (aka Dwayne Johnson) I am an American Samoan, as well as a New Zealander. I als
72 Post contains links Leelaw : According to 8 U.S.C. §1408 it is possible to be a U.S. national without being a U.S. citizen. A person whose only connection to the U.S. is through
73 HAL : LIH: Aloha, American Airlines, Go!, Hawaiian, Island Air, Ryan International, United Airlines, USAirways. KOA: Aloha, Hawaiian, Go!, Air Canada, Amer
74 Post contains images We're Nuts : Wait, did he die on a HA flight? Hmmm....
75 Koruman : HAL, the point is that Smartsaver INTERNATIONAL fares on Air NZ, or Polynesian Blue fares are far, far lower than HA's Pago Pago fares, even though th
76 Aloha73G : While they may not be served by ALOT of carriers, but you have to remember that the number of daily flights is very high. 1. Hawaiian can't leave the
77 MotorHussy : etc, etc... Good post, fair and reasonable, thank you. Regards MH
78 SeeTheWorld : I live in Washington, DC and pay the highest income taxes of any state in the U.S. While I get to vote for president, I do not have any representatio
79 LMP737 : I don't know how you disagree with the fact that he totally blew out the water your claim that HA charges the highest seat/mile fares in the entire U
80 Sllevin : I think we're also overlooking a significantly critical fact here. An advantage currently held by American Samoa is that they are guaranteed air servi
81 AirTranTUS : That will always happen when looking for a short flight like that. You can search for a longer one-way flight (albeit with a connection) and get the
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