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LAN To Fly SCL-GIG Daily Non Stop  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4811 times:
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LAN will begin daily service between Santiago and Rio de Janeiro effective September 1st as they obtained the necessary approval from ANAC to improve their network to Brazil for up to 5 daily flights.

Very interesting as it allows very comfortable times on both directions. For this flight, LAN will use Airbus A320.

Timetable:

LA774 SCL 1400 GIG 1910 A320
LA775 GIG 2000 SCL 2340 A320

This is the first non-stop between Rio and Santiago and also it has been created just a few days before Gol confirm their new services to SCL.

Felipe


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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1367 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

Oi Felipe,

Thanks for the news. Maybe I should look in to flying Hawaiian to Papeete and then connecting with LA from PPT to Easter Island to SCL to GIG!!! It might be cheaper than Delta!!

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineAvatordon From United States of America, joined May 2006, 239 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4726 times:

Wouldn't it be something if LAN added Brazil to their network, that is, LAN-Brasil (along the lines of Ecuador, Argentina, etc.)

User currently offlineAcontador From Chile, joined Jul 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4689 times:
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Quoting Avatordon (Reply 2):
Wouldn't it be something if LAN added Brazil to their network, that is, LAN-Brasil (along the lines of Ecuador, Argentina, etc.)

I think they have been trying for many years now, but Brazilian market is not open and subject to many "special" regulations by CAA, so they turned instead their attention to easier to get-in markets like Peru, Ecuador and Argentina. Probably it is just a question of time until you see Lan-Brazil, but it will take some time.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4581 times:
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Quoting HALFA (Reply 1):
Thanks for the news. Maybe I should look in to flying Hawaiian to Papeete and then connecting with LA from PPT to Easter Island to SCL to GIG!!! It might be cheaper than Delta!!

Seems to be an interesting trip !

Quoting Avatordon (Reply 2):
Wouldn't it be something if LAN added Brazil to their network, that is, LAN-Brasil (along the lines of Ecuador, Argentina, etc.)

IMO, Lan could take advantage of an improved bilateral, allowing them to fly routes like SCL-GIG-FRA, SCL-GRU-CCS, SCL-REC-XXX.
Also, POA-SCL seems to be a good market for their A319 as well as IGU on the summer.

Quoting Acontador (Reply 3):
I think they have been trying for many years now, but Brazilian market is not open and subject to many "special" regulations by CAA, so they turned instead their attention to easier to get-in markets like Peru, Ecuador and Argentina. Probably it is just a question of time until you see Lan-Brazil, but it will take some time.

You're right, our regulations are not easy for a foreign player, but as i comment above, LAN can take advantage of their position, flying more to Europe thru Brazil.

Felipe



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4503 times:

Good connections from SYD-AKL-SCL as well...

User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 5):
Good connections from SYD-AKL-SCL as well...

True. Does the orginal LAN SYD-AKL-SCL continue on to GRU??

[Edited 2006-08-13 06:53:12]

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4460 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 6):
True. Does the orginal LAN SYD-AKL-SCL continue on to GRU??

Nope, LA terminates in SCL, but then offers onwards connections to GRU.

AR operated GRU-EZE-AKL-SYD vv with the same flight number and aircraft for a while, but i think this has been discontinued.

From memory, the 2nd highest OD pax carried by both LA and AR is to Brazil, after their home markets.

South America is gaining popularity as a destination in the Australian market.


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4436 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
AR operated GRU-EZE-AKL-SYD vv with the same flight number and aircraft for a while, but i think this has been discontinued.

From memory, the 2nd highest OD pax carried by both LA and AR is to Brazil, after their home markets.

South America is gaining popularity as a destination in the Australian market.

Ahh thanks for that freedom. I knew one of the South American carriers extended their flights onwards to GRU but didn't know which one.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4404 times:
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Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
AR operated GRU-EZE-AKL-SYD vv with the same flight number and aircraft for a while, but i think this has been discontinued.

Yes, keep the same flight number but GRU-EZE leg use to be run with Boeing 737-500.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
South America is gaining popularity as a destination in the Australian market.

Very true, and also Brazil and Australia signed a bilateral allowing flights between both countries (but i believe only Qantas will take advantage of this, at least during the next two years).

Felipe



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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
Very true, and also Brazil and Australia signed a bilateral allowing flights between both countries (but i believe only Qantas will take advantage of this, at least during the next two years).

Interesting I wonder if QF will start flying to South America or even Jetstar International within the next 5 to 10 years.

[Edited 2006-08-14 09:17:21]

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4292 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
Very true, and also Brazil and Australia signed a bilateral allowing flights between both countries (but i believe only Qantas will take advantage of this, at least during the next two years).

The reason Australia held talks with both Argentina andf brazil is becuase current agreements do not permit 3rd country codeshare.

so while QF codes on LA to SCL, they can't add their code onwards to brazil or argnetina, and therefore it reverts to an interline agreement.
i suspect LA will increase to daily by next november.

also keep in mind that QF codes on 127 seats per flight... ie about 50% of seats!


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4218 times:
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Quoting VHVXB (Reply 10):
Interesting I wonder if QF will start flying to South America or even Jetstar International within the next 5 to 10 years

I believe QF could even start before 2009, but some actions need to be taken as Australia need to decrease the high fee collected from students (IIRC about US$ 300), and also even more business ties with Brazil. Nowadays i believe the huge number of pax are students (use to fly Y).

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 11):
so while QF codes on LA to SCL, they can't add their code onwards to brazil or argnetina, and therefore it reverts to an interline agreement.
i suspect LA will increase to daily by next november.

also keep in mind that QF codes on 127 seats per flight... ie about 50% of seats!

Thanks for sharing this info !
How about Singapore services to Brazil, i heard rumors this year of a 3x weekly service for 2007, but nothing more has been said. Do you know something ?

Felipe



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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
South America is gaining popularity as a destination in the Australian market.

Australasian market as a whole! South American countries are becoming stronger trading partners and much of the continent is perceived as the "New Asia" for adventurous holiday makers looking for something and somewhere different, but not dangerous.

Personally I can't wait to visit. Just can't afford the four months off work.

Regards
MH



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
How about Singapore services to Brazil, i heard rumors this year of a 3x weekly service for 2007, but nothing more has been said. Do you know something ?

Nope, I don't know anything about this.
I wonder if this could potentially be the reason for SQ launching SIN-MIL-BCN services. Get the brand into the market and build pax, then delink, and operate MIL 3pw on its own, and then serve SIN-BCN-GIG?
With Varig gone, this could be a smart move.

SIN-JNB-GIG is faster, but via BCN would probably be more profitable.



Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 13):
Personally I can't wait to visit. Just can't afford the four months off work.

what do you mean?? even 5 weeks is fine.!


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4121 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 14):
what do you mean?? even 5 weeks is fine.!

Oh but I want to do so much (LOL).

Regards
MH



come visit the south pacific
User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 15):
Oh but I want to do so much (LOL).

get a taste of it, and you will go back again and again.

been back to sth amercia a number of times.
although flights are more expensive when compared to europe, ones you're there, it is all relatively cheap.

aahhhh, those $6 steaks in argentina.
machu pichu... cusco... lake titicaca... santiago...

great memories!


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
but some actions need to be taken as Australia need to decrease the high fee collected from students (IIRC about US$ 300),

Do you mean taxes

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
Nowadays i believe the huge number of pax are students (use to fly Y).

True and backpackers as well

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 14):
MIL 3pw on its own, and then serve SIN-BCN-GIG?
With Varig gone, this could be a smart move.

Interesting. I thought the market between Spain and South America was well served by IB, LA, AR. I guess not


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4101 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 17):
Interesting. I thought the market between Spain and South America was well served by IB, LA, AR. I guess not

No airline serves BCN-GIG non-stop.

While Spain-Argentina/Chile may be well served, Brazil has some potential.
Of course, the viability of this service would also depend on whether Spain allows uplift of local traffic on BCN-GIG.

Star Alliance partner Spanair would also provide good feed for SQ over BCN


User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4098 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
Nowadays i believe the huge number of pax are students (use to fly Y).

I reckon this is especially true on the LAN flight SCL-AKL-SYD. I've met tons of people while backpacking thru LatAm who were on this flight. Mainly British or Australian citizens that are on a OneWorld Round the World or Visist LatAm Pass ticket. The great advantage of OneWorld is LAN; SkyTeam and Star don't have flights from LatAm to NZ/AU, and with the end of RG only OneWorld has internal flights in LatAm.
I've not been on a Round the World tickets, because I've "only" been in South America, and one ends up taking quite some flights. Normally they're not too expensive, but it all adds up. Next time I'd definitely go for the LAN South Americapass, or one of those OneWorld packages that are great value.

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 13):
Personally I can't wait to visit. Just can't afford the four months off work.

You'll never regret it; do it now you're still fit and able to do everything you like. Now is the time, countries like Argentina, Chile, Brazil are politically stable, tourism is on the rise and you might be able to fly the 732 & 727  Wink

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 17):
Nowadays i believe the huge number of pax are students (use to fly Y).

True and backpackers as well

As said, I get this is mainly true on routes like SCL-AKL and the student-friendly carries that accept STA tickets, like DL, AZ, BA, IB.
Most notably here is that foreign carriers always tend to be cheaper than domestic ones. E.g. someone from Manchester is likely to find a cheap flight on AF and someone from Germany a cheap flight on BA, etc. I can't back this up with data; anyone?


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4080 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 18):
No airline serves BCN-GIG non-stop.

While Spain-Argentina/Chile may be well served, Brazil has some potential.
Of course, the viability of this service would also depend on whether Spain allows uplift of local traffic on BCN-GIG.

Thanks for that Freedom. Makes it a bit more clearer now

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 19):
As said, I get this is mainly true on routes like SCL-AKL and the student-friendly carries that accept STA tickets, like DL, AZ, BA, IB.

well STA tickets from what I have seen mainly opt for the One World Carriers when you fly RTW


User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4078 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 20):
well STA tickets from what I have seen mainly opt for the One World Carriers when you fly RTW

For RTW definitely, because SA)">OW is the only alliance that enables true RTW flights (the popular Europe-LatAm-NZ/AU-Asia-Europe route).
When Malaysia joins SkyTeam they could offer North America-Asia-Africa-LatAm-North America; via the CPT-EZE connection.
Star flies to GRU (or GIG) on SA; still after the RG collapse coverage in LatAm is not what it used to be.
For "normal" 1-year return tickets however, with STA flexibility are mostly booked on Skyteam and One IMHO.


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4060 times:

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 21):
When Malaysia joins SkyTeam they could offer North America-Asia-Africa-LatAm-North America; via the CPT-EZE connection.

With MH joining Skyteam it will be very easy to have RTW trips and it will aslo provide alot more flexibility as well


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3988 times:
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Quoting VHVXB (Reply 17):
Interesting. I thought the market between Spain and South America was well served by IB, LA, AR. I guess not

You can include on your list PU (3x weekly MAD-GIG) and UX (flies MAD-SSA 3x weekly and will fly MAD-GIG 2x weekly).

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 18):
No airline serves BCN-GIG non-stop.

While Spain-Argentina/Chile may be well served, Brazil has some potential.
Of course, the viability of this service would also depend on whether Spain allows uplift of local traffic on BCN-GIG.

Agree with you, both are big cities and keep strong domestic market (GIG) and a good network for Europe (BCN). Meanwhile it's a low to medium yield market, due to connections can become a very interesting flight.

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 17):
Do you mean taxes

Thanks for the correction.

Felipe



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