DernierVirage From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2006, 228 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7575 times:
One of the interesting points of this story is how the pilot managed anyway to hold a job as international pilot with MU if he had these political and religious beliefs. I say this because my experience is that in China this sort of situation would normally lead to big problems for him with his employer, especially one as high profile as China Eastern. He could have kept his views secret, but again my experience is that it would have been very hard to do.
But my comments probably should be on the non aviation site...
DernierVirage From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2006, 228 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7340 times:
He said an airport worker with whom he'd discussed an anti-communist book and Falun Gong had turned him in.
Thank you, I had missed this information in the newspaper article.
Like I said earlier, keeping these sort of views secret is hard, and it is no surprise to me that he was denounced by someone. Sadly, denouncing colleagues is very frequent in China, at least in my own experience.
DernierVirage From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2006, 228 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7252 times:
Quoting Juventus (Reply 9): The article doesn't mention why he didn't bring his family on this flight with him
Reading the article, it seems that he was denounced at about the time he left Shanghai, and that he seems to have made the decision on arrival at LAX. In other words, everything happened very quickly, and he just could not face returning...
As regards family travel, I don't know how Chinese airlines deal with this, but in any case getting a passport etc in China is not so simple, even if it is easier than before. It depends a lot on whether you work in the private sector, or for the government. So maybe his family (for various reasons) have no exit documents. (Of course, this is just speculation).
I imagine that MU are very unhappy with this, big loss of face for them.
Reminds me of the days when East block airlines often had a "political" officer assigned to the crew to keep track of then during their layovers. Often crews had limited movement away from hotels without the escort of such minders.
Speaking of China specifically as late as the 1980s many CAAC overseas flights had such minders assigned. I even remember one fella whom would sit in the 747 cockpit on a one-leg stool!
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AirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 5925 times:
Quoting Eksath (Reply 13): After being a pilot flying to and fro from US for 10 years,how come he needs an interpreter?
Because all they know is how to say clear to land and clear for takeoff. The aviation dictionary is only a few pages.
Reading this news and this thread made me feel sick. How often do nationals of the US, Canada, the UK, France, Brazil, Holland, New Zealand or any other free libertarian state have to claim asylum elsewhere? Never.
Tugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5007 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 4825 times:
Quoting RIXrat (Reply 14): So why go through the charade of an interpreter?
It's not a charade, its a legal action. And you really can't afford to rely on "limited english" for it. It has to be clearly and specifically documented for your protection and for the host countries protection.
It's not like you say "I want asylum" and then you are granted it. Once you say it a whole bunch of international rules, regulations, and treaties come into effect. You are then taken to a safe area where you can be interrogated as to why you deserve it. If it determined to be genuine there is lengthy process to go through.
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AC777233LR From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 75 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 4111 times:
Quoting MainMAN (Reply 21): Reading this news and this thread made me feel sick. How often do nationals of the US, Canada, the UK, France, Brazil, Holland, New Zealand or any other free libertarian state have to claim asylum elsewhere? Never.
There are a few of US soldiers claiming asylum in Canada, they refuse to be sent back to Iraq, claiming it's an illegal war. As far as I know none of the cases have been sucessful.
25 HKGKaiTak: Well just about everyone can get a passport nowadays, and I don't see how the family of an international airline captain couldn't ... It's still his
26 SP90: Assuming this pilot is granted asylum and he gets back into flying for a US flagged carrier. If the airline allows him to fly into China again, how wi
27 FlyDeltaJets: Why would he want to take that sort of risk?
28 Juventus: There are many pilots in oppressed societies who dream of flying for an airline like Frontier. Live in the US and do one hour flights. I doubt he wan
29 Aaway: You'd be surprised at the large number of MU crews that have very rudimentary English-speaking skills. No delay due to crewing issues. MU maintains a
30 LPLAspotter: Got to give this guy credit. He obviously was a first officer or capitain on an A340-600 with loads of experience. He put his principals before his ca