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China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles  
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8750 times:

Has this happen before?

http://www.nola.com/newsflash/topsto...545217040.xml&storylist=topstories

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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8701 times:

Man, what some crews won't do to avoid crew scheduling and getting JA'd...  Wink

User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8658 times:

He did the right thing, and he probably had a long time to think about it on his way here. He could probably find a flying job over here.

User currently offlineDernierVirage From China, joined Aug 2006, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8449 times:

One of the interesting points of this story is how the pilot managed anyway to hold a job as international pilot with MU if he had these political and religious beliefs. I say this because my experience is that in China this sort of situation would normally lead to big problems for him with his employer, especially one as high profile as China Eastern. He could have kept his views secret, but again my experience is that it would have been very hard to do.

But my comments probably should be on the non aviation site...


User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2115 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8393 times:

Always terrible when political refugees have to leave family behind.

5200 asylum cases to the US, in one year alone, must/should be a huge embarrassment to the Chinese authorities.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7815 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8368 times:

Are we talking 5200 claimed or approved.

User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2115 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8327 times:

Approved. I'd be very surprised if the US ever sent anyone back to China against their will.

User currently offlineBAtriple7 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8239 times:

Good for him.

Quote:
He said an airport worker with whom he'd discussed an anti-communist book and Falun Gong had turned him in.

Such a free, forward-thinking society.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineDernierVirage From China, joined Aug 2006, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8214 times:

[quote=BAtriple7,reply=7]Quote:
He said an airport worker with whom he'd discussed an anti-communist book and Falun Gong had turned him in.


Thank you, I had missed this information in the newspaper article.

Like I said earlier, keeping these sort of views secret is hard, and it is no surprise to me that he was denounced by someone. Sadly, denouncing colleagues is very frequent in China, at least in my own experience.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8150 times:

The article doesn't mention why he didn't bring his family on this flight with him. They get travel privileges, correct?

User currently offlineDernierVirage From China, joined Aug 2006, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8126 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 9):
The article doesn't mention why he didn't bring his family on this flight with him

Reading the article, it seems that he was denounced at about the time he left Shanghai, and that he seems to have made the decision on arrival at LAX. In other words, everything happened very quickly, and he just could not face returning...

As regards family travel, I don't know how Chinese airlines deal with this, but in any case getting a passport etc in China is not so simple, even if it is easier than before. It depends a lot on whether you work in the private sector, or for the government. So maybe his family (for various reasons) have no exit documents. (Of course, this is just speculation).

I imagine that MU are very unhappy with this, big loss of face for them.


User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2115 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8061 times:

Let's just be thankful this guy and his family aren't from North Korea. That would be tantamount to a death sentence. As far as I know, they'll be fine in China.

This would be a good thread in non-av


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26166 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7806 times:

Quoting Juventus (Thread starter):
Has this happen before?

Absolutely.

Reminds me of the days when East block airlines often had a "political" officer assigned to the crew to keep track of then during their layovers. Often crews had limited movement away from hotels without the escort of such minders.

Speaking of China specifically as late as the 1980s many CAAC overseas flights had such minders assigned. I even remember one fella whom would sit in the 747 cockpit on a one-leg stool!



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User currently offlineEksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1317 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7566 times:
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After being a pilot flying to and fro from US for 10 years,how come he needs an interpreter?


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User currently offlineRIXrat From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7152 times:

Eksath,

Exactlt my qestion. At least he should be knowledgable about the rudementary basics in English if he was an international pilot for China Eastern. So why go through the charade of an interpreter?


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7128 times:

So whats happening to this guy? Is he staying or going?

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User currently offlineB707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7099 times:

So here's a question. Did the trip the next day going back get delayed?

User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6799 times:

Quoting Eksath (Reply 13):
After being a pilot flying to and fro from US for 10 years,how come he needs an interpreter?
Because all they know is how to say clear to land and clear for takeoff. The aviation dictionary is only a few pages.

[Edited 2006-08-12 23:53:24]

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6318 times:

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 16):
Did the trip the next day going back get delayed?

I think it got canxled until another Captain was flown in.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7365 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6231 times:
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Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 2):
He could probably find a flying job over here.

Wonder with who? He is flying A346 metal on that routing. Maybe NW or US?


User currently offlineONTFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 380 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6105 times:

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 11):
As far as I know, they'll be fine in China.

One can only hope. But you never know...

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User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2115 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5871 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 19):
Wonder with who? He is flying A346 metal on that routing. Maybe NW or US?

If you can fly an A346, then I reckon you could fly almost anything else with a little bit of training!

Quoting ONTFlyer (Reply 20):
One can only hope. But you never know...

Reading this news and this thread made me feel sick. How often do nationals of the US, Canada, the UK, France, Brazil, Holland, New Zealand or any other free libertarian state have to claim asylum elsewhere? Never.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5800 times:

He can fly an A330 as anyone who flies an A346 flies an A330 with training.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5699 times:

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 14):
So why go through the charade of an interpreter?

It's not a charade, its a legal action. And you really can't afford to rely on "limited english" for it. It has to be clearly and specifically documented for your protection and for the host countries protection.

It's not like you say "I want asylum" and then you are granted it. Once you say it a whole bunch of international rules, regulations, and treaties come into effect. You are then taken to a safe area where you can be interrogated as to why you deserve it. If it determined to be genuine there is lengthy process to go through.

Tug



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User currently offlineAC777233LR From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 21):
Reading this news and this thread made me feel sick. How often do nationals of the US, Canada, the UK, France, Brazil, Holland, New Zealand or any other free libertarian state have to claim asylum elsewhere? Never.

There are a few of US soldiers claiming asylum in Canada, they refuse to be sent back to Iraq, claiming it's an illegal war. As far as I know none of the cases have been sucessful.


25 HKGKaiTak : Well just about everyone can get a passport nowadays, and I don't see how the family of an international airline captain couldn't ... It's still his
26 SP90 : Assuming this pilot is granted asylum and he gets back into flying for a US flagged carrier. If the airline allows him to fly into China again, how wi
27 FlyDeltaJets : Why would he want to take that sort of risk?
28 Juventus : There are many pilots in oppressed societies who dream of flying for an airline like Frontier. Live in the US and do one hour flights. I doubt he wan
29 Aaway : You'd be surprised at the large number of MU crews that have very rudimentary English-speaking skills. No delay due to crewing issues. MU maintains a
30 LPLAspotter : Got to give this guy credit. He obviously was a first officer or capitain on an A340-600 with loads of experience. He put his principals before his ca
31 MainMAN : Oh dear. I stand corrected!
32 HKGKaiTak : Not necessarily. Even you said he's a pilot with loads of experience. And whilst I don't know a pilot's career in detail I'm sure you gotta be pretty
33 Astral : Interesting news, but with FLG being banned in China, I am not surprised. Unlike other countries, not everyone in China is 'qualified' or 'allowed' to
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