N754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3584 times:
Becuase of the huge mess caused by a Typhoon two days before. That 744 arrived on the 4th, about 7pm and departed on the 5th. The flight on the 3rd (777) diverted to Subic Bay in the Philippines and did not get to Hong Kong till the afternoon of the 4th.
RichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3506 times:
Quoting N754PR (Reply 1): The flight on the 3rd (777) diverted to Subic Bay in the Philippines
Why would NZ divert to Subic Bay rather than MNL nearby?
Also a large percentage of NZ's highest paid and most respected employees are long haul 744 and 777 pilots.
A 55 year old 744 pilot would have been flying 10-12 hour sectors looking at clouds and buttons for maybe up to twenty years.
As much as you may respect these guys opinions you have to run NZ as detached as possible from the general thinking inside the business. A lot of the disasterous ideas from the past would have come from previous CEO's seeking out the general views of senior people in the business.
MotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 2760 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3474 times:
Quoting RichardJF (Reply 2): Also a large percentage of NZ's highest paid and most respected employees are long haul 744 and 777 pilots.
A 55 year old 744 pilot would have been flying 10-12 hour sectors looking at clouds and buttons for maybe up to twenty years.
As much as you may respect these guys opinions you have to run NZ as detached as possible from the general thinking inside the business. A lot of the disasterous ideas from the past would have come from previous CEO's seeking out the general views of senior people in the business.
I don't understand what you're on about. Can you clarify your point please? I'm interested.
Cloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2425 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3342 times:
Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 7): What has this to do with the plane at HKG?????
What about providing additonal capacity over the B772 to make up for the delayed and cancelled flights on 3rd and 4th, shifting the stranded passengers here?
NZFan From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 75 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3126 times:
Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 9): Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 7):
What has this to do with the plane at HKG?????
What about providing additonal capacity over the B772 to make up for the delayed and cancelled flights on 3rd and 4th, shifting the stranded passengers here?
I think he was referring to reply 2 and not what was the plane doing in HKG
Why would NZ divert to Subic Bay rather than MNL nearby?
The diversion was due to the fact all other options were already full!
Thanks.
I think Rob should consider my previous post. NZ very tricky to run from the inside in my opinion. AKL-LAS would be very good in the NZ-UK market with BD and VS code shares.
McCarran very close to the strip and you could depart at 2,3 or 4 in the morning due to the nature of Las Vegas thus beating the summer heat issues.
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 14 Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2392 times:
Quoting RichardJF (Reply 12): Thanks.
I think Rob should consider my previous post.
how can anyone consider your previous post when you haven't actually explained what you meant ... it may have made sense to you at the time you typed it ... but I have read it several times and still do not understand what you were trying to say .. so for the benefit of not-so-bright people like myself can you explain the connection between the topic and what you posted ?
Quoting RichardJF (Reply 2): Also a large percentage of NZ's highest paid and most respected employees are long haul 744 and 777 pilots.
A 55 year old 744 pilot would have been flying 10-12 hour sectors looking at clouds and buttons for maybe up to twenty years.
As much as you may respect these guys opinions you have to run NZ as detached as possible from the general thinking inside the business. A lot of the disasterous ideas from the past would have come from previous CEO's seeking out the general views of senior people in the business.
Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
RichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2290 times:
This is why I don't like HGK-LHR
Almost certainly the directional decisions over the years including Ansett, hub at BNE etc.. simply reflected the general thinking in the higher levels of NZ rather than any specific management. Very easy trap to fall into for a CEO.
Fyfe starting to get caught in this situation IMO.
Doesn't happen... go look at the US invading Iraq, Bush (admittedly not the sharpest president ever) just reflecting what thousands of people in Washington believe. Get to the objective. Get rid of Saddam. Get to the objective, Get To Heathrow. The business routes enable getting to LHR. The LHR psychology exists in QF as well (nonstop to LHR to take..... what 2 hours off an Aussie holidaymakers trip to UK/Europe).
Koruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 2983 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2258 times:
Richard, I never can quite understand your logic.
Unless you are Ryanair (or Emirates to South Asia and New Zealand), long-haul airline routes live or die by premium class traffic (not holidaymakers).
And when a route needs a refuelling stopover, you obviously pick a point where traffic will get on or off, otherwise Air NZ would just use Christmas Island in Kiribati and fly over the pole!
I see a big LHR-LAX market and a big LHR-HKG market.
I see a big LAX-AKL market, although I'm pretty sure that HKG-AKL on a 747-400 is going to be a disaster unless there is a lot of LHR-AKL through traffic (which by definition is lower yield, as the fares are only 10% higher than for LHR-HKG, but the costs are obviously double).
Is there a market of London and Auckland to Las Vegas or Cancun? Maybe a few tourists who would otherwise fly on charter flights. But a high yield premium market? I just can't see it. Sorry.
ZKNBX From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 464 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2141 times:
Richard,
furthermore, a point you may have missed. AKL-HKG-LHR has not begun yet. Your thread has no relevance to an NZ 744 in HKG the other day. Please start a new thread if you want to change the subject.
I guess there is high demand for this one off 744 to HNL? Interesting, bring back the days when everyone went to HNL and NZ and a ton of other airlines stopped over there.
RichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1888 times:
In 3-4 years when you don't have the latest product and want to fly to LHR the stopoff has to be far more attractive. CUN would IMO get the best premium customers for a AKL-LHR and allow a prudent less than daily schedule vs A380's which will have perhaps 1" wider seats (economy) than 748's. LAS also would do superbly in back, front and freight (freeway roading networks) Both will work straight off far quicker than ORD because NZ/Aust outbound traffic will be very strong here similar to SFO.
Cloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2425 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1678 times:
Quoting RichardJF (Reply 21): In 3-4 years when you don't have the latest product and want to fly to LHR the stopoff has to be far more attractive. CUN would IMO get the best premium customers for a AKL-LHR and allow a prudent less than daily schedule vs A380's which will have perhaps 1" wider seats (economy) than 748's. LAS also would do superbly in back, front and freight (freeway roading networks) Both will work straight off far quicker than ORD because NZ/Aust outbound traffic will be very strong here similar to SFO.
If you want to rant about AKL-LHR please start a new thread. Your posts have nothing to do with the topic of this thread. If you're not sure how this forum works please take a look at the rules: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/rules.main?confirm=no
Is it just me or do you just not make sense? Looks like other people who asked that question earlier in the thread shut up already so I assume they finally figured out what you were talking about.... Since I haven't, what the hell are you talking about? What does this have to do with an NZ 747 in HKG? Maybe I need some coffee!
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