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Asiana Takes Off Without Passanger Crew  
User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4097 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11666 times:

You all have to excuse me if this has been posted before..........

http://www.dagbladet.no/dinside/2006/08/12/473685.html


Asiana , Koreas biggest airline forgot the cabin crew

The captain found out when he asked for a coffe


A missunderstanding between the pilots and the tower is supposed to explain it.......  Smile

The incident is now being investigated by the airline authorities in the country.

The plane had been flying for 30 minutes when the pilots found out and returned to the airport to pick up the rest of the crew.


The flight was an emty flight.

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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11666 times:

How did they shut the doors - normally that is a crew job?!


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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11610 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):

Asiana , Koreas biggest airline forgot the cabin crew

Korean Air is Korea's biggest airline.



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User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4097 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11570 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 2):

Sorry Manni

I was'nt aware of that. I just quoted the news article  Smile


User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4097 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11558 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 1):

The article does not say. I've been wondering about that too................


User currently offlineBMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 860 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11455 times:

Maybe a ground handling agent closed the door from the outside like they do at some airports?


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11383 times:

Who Shut the door.Who carried out the Demo.Who confirmed to Flight crew on Door arming.
Seems odd.Somethings missing.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineINTENSS From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11366 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
The flight was an emty flight.

This last sentence explains alot.....it was empty, a ferry flight. They probably didn't know there was cabin crew riding with them. The article doesn't doesn't say WHO was on, someone else may have closed the doors. People get left behind alot.....even crew.


-Rich


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4359 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11269 times:

There's an urban legend that a passenger plane, a domestic US 727 or so, departed once without cabin crew, and the pilots only found out midflight after passengers knocked on the door (obviously pre September 11) to enquire when they'd get drinks or a meal service. Makes you wonder if flight attendants would be missed anyway (on normal flights) since cutting back of service. duck 


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User currently offlineAnthsaun From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 544 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7758 times:

Sorry I don't speak the language the article is written on.


Where was this at?

What kind of aircraft was it?

Did they depart from a gate?

What kind of coffee did the pilot asked for?



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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4639 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6252 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 1):
How did they shut the doors - normally that is a crew job?!



Quoting BMED (Reply 5):
Maybe a ground handling agent closed the door from the outside like they do at some airports?

Who closes the doors is determined by that paticular airlines policy. Some the f/a's do it, some the gate agents, and some the rampies do it (AC).

Kris



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User currently offlineOrdryan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6173 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 2):
Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):

Asiana , Koreas biggest airline forgot the cabin crew

Korean Air is Korea's biggest airline.

...yep, not Asiana.



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User currently offline747spa330md11 From Germany, joined Dec 2003, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5823 times:

Quoting Anthsaun (Reply 9):
What kind of coffee did the pilot asked for?

The Koreans mostly drink coffee with milk and sugar in a paper cup



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4716 times:

A ferry Flight & the Flt crew did not know there was to be Cabin crew on board.Do they sign the L&T without checking it.
Someone goofed up def.
regds
MEL



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User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4097 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

Quoting Anthsaun (Reply 9):

The article is written in Norwegian  Smile


User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 748 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 14):
The article is written in Norwegian

oh man I love the Internet!


At my airline the Gate agent shuts the door once the sign off is aquired.

Andrew
JFK/MEM/MCI



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

But if it was an empty ferry flight I guess it is not that bad, only that there were no confirmation that the doors were armed unless a cockpit crew member did it assuming he didnt have to carry a FA crew with him.

At first I thought there were passengers on board, that rather bothered me.



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User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

The issue is shouldn't the pilots have known there were supposed to be crew - you know for the total on board figure????

At least it was a positioning flight  Smile

Phil
FlyingColours



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User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

G´day

Closing the door is one thing but arming the slides is another. As to whether the slides are armed or not to my knowledge is visible in the cockpit and verifying the slides are armed prior to departure surely is part of the checklist.

Thus the flight crew must have armed the slides themselves and thus realized here was no cabin crew, unless they overlooked that item on the checklist.

Cheers

Peter



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