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SAS To Get A340 From Canada?  
User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2752 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12570 times:

I just heard that SAS are to get two A340 from Canada. Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor?

They are suppose to use these planes to places like HKG. Wouldn't it make more sense to use a A330-200 for these missions?

If the rumor are true, are these coming from Air Canada? I that case what kind of A340 are we talking about?

So many questions  

[Edited 2006-08-13 00:49:51]


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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12547 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Thread starter):
Wouldn't it make more sense to use a A330-200 for these missions?

Scandinavia-HKG is good territory for the A340. And it will inevitably be the A343s.


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12539 times:

Air Canasta? Who are they?

User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2752 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12505 times:

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 1):
Scandinavia-HKG is good territory for the A340. And it will inevitably be the A343s.

Perhaps. But IMO the A332 would make a breakeven with less passenger than the A343.

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 2):
Air Canasta? Who are they?

It is the new Canadian company. They just started opareting  Big grin Should have checked the grammar first.  Smile



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12487 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 2):
Air Canasta? Who are they?

New airline.....no IFE necessary, just card tables, the newest thing!


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Seriously, regarding SAS taking ex-AC A343s, its possible, there is a lot of speculation around as to which airlines will take AC's A340 fleet that will become available once the new 777s are delivered.....many seem to think that Star Alliance members will have a preferred shot at the airplanes.

I thought that SAS was considering cutting back its longhaul flying and there were rumors that SAS would even thinking about dropping longhaul altogether....whats the story? If this rumor is true, does that mean that SAS has once again changed its business plan and now wants to increase long haul flying?


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12474 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 3):
Perhaps. But IMO the A332 would make a breakeven with less passenger than the A343.

Yes, but it could also be more profitable.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12453 times:

AC has just the 300 version not the x version.

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 5):
Yes, but it could also be more profitable.

The A343 would make more sense to put on this route so the A332's can be deployed on routes to the USA and Canada.

I hear the A343's AC have are in mint condition. I'm guessing the 345's will go to Emirates.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12439 times:

Air canada are selling the two A345s , what is happening to them?

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12413 times:

The 773ER and 772LR is replacing them The CEO of AC has specified twin engine planes as they are more efficent.

EI321,

There have been tons of threads about AC's A340's being replaced by 777's.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12413 times:

I haven't heard any rumours to this effect although it sounds plausable. SK do need some more long haul equipment and these aircraft are a perfect fit in their fleet so why not?

Any other new long haul routes planned for SK?



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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12393 times:

I heard they had someone in YYZ checking them out. We'll see ..

The routes that are rumoured to be highest on SAS' longhaul wishlist are ARN-PEK and ARN-NRT .. CPH-HKG has also been mentioned.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12362 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 8):

There have been tons of threads about AC's A340's being replaced by 777's.

Yes I know. The question I was asking is: is there any news about possible suiters for the A345s once they leave the AC fleet. They are currently listed as availible on one of the aircraft sales sites, forget which one.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12298 times:

Where else are they going to et A340's from? Hasnt VS sold all theirs?

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12266 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 6):
AC has just the 300 version not the x version.

Actually they have both. 8 -300X, and 2 - 300s


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12222 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):

Yes I know. The question I was asking is: is there any news about possible suiters for the A345s once they leave the AC fleet. They are currently listed as availible on one of the aircraft sales sites, forget which one.

Who will take the AC A345s?

It will probably be an existing A345 operators, or one of the newer Indian airlines that is starting long haul routes, or they could be converted into private jets for gulf based oil barons. The market is limited, not many airlines need or want ULH airplanes, and a fleet of two airplanes is an extremely difficult proposition.


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12201 times:

Weren't MX a potential buyer?

User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11909 times:

Same rumor was, that Swiss would get 340s from AC to expand its long-haul fleet ...


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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2752 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11794 times:

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 10):
I heard they had someone in YYZ checking them out. We'll see ..

The routes that are rumoured to be highest on SAS longhaul wish list are ARN-PEK and ARN-NRT .. CPH-HKG has also been mentioned.

Thanks for your answer. So it may be that SAS will see if this is an equipment they could use. I remember that when they studied the possibilities to start up OSL-EWR again, they tried to get a A332, but there weren't any available n the market. I guess that if they only try to get hold of the A343 OSL-EWR with SAS seems less plausible.

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 16):
Same rumor was, that Swiss would get 340s from AC to expand its long-haul fleet ...

Hey cool. It will be interesting to see who will get hold of the AC A340s.

To sum it up, we have the following conclusion.

1: SAS has some people checking out the A340 equipment at YYZ.
2: SAS wants to start ARN-NRT and ARN-PEK.
3: SAS wants to start CPH-HKG as well
4: Air Canada has 8 -300X, and 2 - 300s
5: Swiss and other Star Alliance members are looking at the longhaul equipment from AC

and the following question:

1: Who is Air Canasta?  spin 
2: Who will take the A345 from AC?
3: Is MX a potential buyer?
4: Does SAS still want to start CPH-SFO as they wanted before 9/11?
5: Where else could they get the equipment from?
6: Has VS sold all their A343?

I think this sums it up in a good way.  Smile



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User currently offlineMatt27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11757 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 17):
SAS wants to start ARN-NRT and ARN-PEK.

Last year there were talks about getting a dew A330-200s for those routes, but the A340-300 might be a good choice.


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11356 times:

I have read that after SAS joined the Star Alliance their long haul routes might be cancelled all in all as Lufthansa is better positioned to carry them out.
It doesn't sound likely that SAS will get A340's into their fleet, but maybe this is an effort from SAS to remain a "global" airline?


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11193 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 19):
I have read that after SAS joined the Star Alliance their long haul routes might be cancelled all in all as Lufthansa is better positioned to carry them out.

well, SAS has been a member for over 9 years now! and they are still operating long haul routes...



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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11027 times:

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 20):
well, SAS has been a member for over 9 years now! and they are still operating long haul routes...

Good point. I see what you mean.
But now SAS is in a crisis. Much is changing. I hope we (Scandinavians) still can have a national airline that does longhaul, but ....
Well .. we'll se. It's just what I have been reading.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11007 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 17):
Who will take the A345 from AC?

My guess is Emirates or SQ.

Swiss and SAS are all good candidates for those A340's. I've heard Finnair is also looking at the A340's.

Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 13):
Actually they have both. 8 -300X, and 2 - 300s

I apologise for my mistake.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10888 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 17):
4: Does SAS still want to start CPH-SFO as they wanted before 9/11?

Probably further down on the wishlist.

From what I heard, SAS only wants two aircraft. This will naturally limit the amount of new routes. Two new aircraft could serve ARN-NRT/PEK.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10544 times:

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 23):
From what I heard, SAS only wants two aircraft.

I think they need four. Two for new routes and the other two to upgrade existing routes. I know SAS needs capacity on these routes and that frees two A332 for new routes.

MCOflyer



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25 Robbie86 : Since CA has joined Star Alliance and is opperating PEK-ARN I think it would be a wiser move for SK to start ARN-NRT and CPH-HKG.
26 Clogman : Yes they do. And they have come long in that process. But what I dont get is this. Why does AC wanna get rid of them? They are expanding like hell at
27 Johnnybgoode : they will slowly phase out their Airbus long haul fleet as the 777s (and later 787s) are delivered. so this is not going to happen over night, and ap
28 AndersNilsson : Anders
29 AndersNilsson : Finnair started their Asian route expansion earlier than SAS and have less problems between management and unions. Helsinki is closer to Stockholm th
30 Mortyman : SAS seems to have problems with long haul flights. Atleast from Norway. They couldnt even keep up the route between Oslo and New York and had to end t
31 Gilesdavies : I wonder if Virgin would be interested in the A340-500's, this would allow them to operate the LHR-SYD route non-stop and free up some of their A340-6
32 Brendows : No, it can't fly LHR-SYD non-stop, not with much pax onboard. VS doesn't have any routes where the A345 is needed, they can reach most of their desti
33 ZRH : The 340-500 or 777-200LR can fly LON-SYD nonstop but not with a reasonable payload. No airline would do that. I think if ever an aircraft was able to
34 Andaman : Finnair got one A340 from Virgin this summer, two new A340s, out of three, coming next year.
35 YWG : I'm pretty sure AC does have the X version....as I HAVE flown a few in the past. B
36 Psimpson : I think they need four. Two for new routes and the other two to upgrade existing routes. I know SAS needs capacity on these routes and that frees two
37 MCOflyer : If they got 4 wouldnt it free up A333 a/c for new flts to new destinations and/or add capacity? MCOflyer
38 Post contains images CXA330300 : AC does have A340-300Xs. Examples of routes operated by AC A343s include YYZ-NRT and YYZ-PVG. Oh, is dew a counting word? Would this be timed to conn
39 Sukhoi : The A333 is used for shorter longhauls CPH-EWR,ORD and ARN-EWR,ORD. They will not replace 333 with 343 on these routes. Sukhoi
40 Olympus69 : See reply 13
41 Matt27 : SAS do not use the A333 on CPH-ORD, a A343 is used on that route, but they use the A333 on CPH-IAD
42 LN-MOW : On the contrary. SAS did OK with the 767. The A330's too big and the route disappeared when the 767's left.
43 GrinddalSK340 : they do so fly A333 from CPH-ORD ... it differs..
44 AC320tech : Actually, all except one, which is ex-Air Jamaica is a -300X. This Air Jamaica A343 (non -300X) has to have one row of containers removed for weight
45 ChrisA330 : If I'm not mistaken both C-FTNQ, and C-FDRO are 300s. One is a -312 and one -313. FTNQ is original AC, while FDRO is ex-JM.
46 UpperDeck79 : I sincerely hope SK doesn't get slots/rights to fly ARN-NRT before AY gets slots for daily NRT fligths. It's already too screwed up that SK can fly C
47 Robbie86 : Don't know about ICN. Wouldn't it be wiser to be connect from PEK or NRT? Regarding AKL and SGN: I have no idea how HKG has it with it's slots. Is an
48 ThePRGuy : This is good news - Am I right in thinking SK currently operate 7 340s? Thanks PR
49 Robbie86 : SK fleet: Airbus 340-300: 7 330-300: 4 321-200: 8 Boeing 737-600/700/800: 27/6/12 MD 81/82/87: 9/25/15 deHavilland Q400: 24
50 Scanwing : SAS Sweden 737-600/800: 15/4 = 19 SAS Braathens 737-400/500/600/700/800: 4/13/11/15/9 = 52 Total: 737-400/500/600/700/800: 4/13/26/15/13 = 71[Edited
51 Sukhoi : SAS International have two slots from Norway, two from Denmark and three from Sweden. I thought the slots issue is going to be loosing up since there
52 Mortyman : Yes, the route ended because the 767 was only half full and SAS were loosing money on it. Continetal is doing better, because they use a smaller plan
53 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : Well, AY started to fly to KIX and NGO because it can't get more slots at NRT... So why should SK get the slots at NRT and AY only at KIX and NGO? Re
54 Post contains images Sukhoi : Yes like AY from somewhere  
55 Robbie86 : Competiton prehabs? I'm not saying that SK should get a daily ARN-NRT, because that will never work. I think it would be better giving SK slots for 2
56 UpperDeck79 : Where's your logic? SK already has the upper hand on NRT ops since it has slots for daily operations. SK is free to begin KIX and NGO whenever it wan
57 Robbie86 : First of all AY only has one (HEL) hub while SK has three. (CPH/ARN/OSL) Scandinavia is a popular destination for Japanesse people. So why wouldn't i
58 UpperDeck79 : So? And by the way, OSL is not an intercontinental hub for SK. Actually Finland is the most popular destination for Japanese people in Nordic Countri
59 Robbie86 : It's pretty obvious that you are just talking "pro" AY. I have made my point clear so I don't see any resaon to continue this discussion. And how is
60 Birka340 : If SAS will add the two AC A340s, when can they be operated in SAS colours? How many weeks/months will it take to make a deal?
61 UpperDeck79 : Yes, I'm pro AY. Sure, you can stop discussing this matter if you want to. But you forgot to comment on my valid point: I don't have any figures on t
62 Robbie86 : If the allready have three slots to Sweden that they not are using I think it's because the lack of aircrafts. So if they buy the ones from AC maybe
63 UpperDeck79 : The Swedish slots are not un-used, they are used from CPH: 2 + 2 + 3 = 7 -> daily operations from CPH, 0 from ARN, 0 from OSL. What I'm saying is, if
64 Robbie86 : Okay, I thought you ment something else. You make a good point. But I have a hard time seeing that SK will cut down it's CPH-NRT route. If I'm not mi
65 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : Thank you for seeing it. I guess we will both keep hoping good things to come for "our" airlines.
66 Sukhoi : In Finland you have Finnair, in Sweden we only have SDA Scandinavian Danish Airlines as a national carrier! Sukhoi
67 Post contains images Robbie86 : So true so true.
68 Robbie86 : Just thought of something. Wouldn't ARN-MSP be a good route? After all there is a big population in Minnesota the has emmigrated from Sweden in the pa
69 UpperDeck79 : They might fill the flights during Xmas and July-August, but how about the other months...?
70 Post contains images OyKIE : Or what about OSL-MSP? Northwest used to fly this route some years ago. Actually we should reinstate the old Intercontinental network that all westbo
71 Robbie86 : If SK puts in ARN-MSP two times a week a think the can fill it up. OSL-EWR failed when using a Boeing 767. So how will SK make OSL-MSP work using a A
72 SK909 : You are wrong. With the 767 it was a success. But then SK sold them and acquired A330/340. When they started using the A330, it was a failure. They c
73 StarGoldLHR : I think the UK needs SAS to keep it's lonig haul... if SAS capitulates that leaves LH as the only long haul star alliance carrier in europe ! BD doesn
74 SK909 : Well, maybe, maybe not... When Sk had their flights to Asia, they weren't generation enough traffic. I see your point, I am just not sure it would wo
75 Robbie86 : Okay okay, I got the thing wrong. But the point is, if they can't fill a plane to New York they won't be able to fill one to MSP.
76 Post contains images SK909 : That's okay. I am also wrong from time to time. But I would think that if SK bought a nice handful of A330-200 or some cheap B767, they would actuall
77 Post contains images Doona : This actually makes things easier for the two million or so Swedes that live closer to CPH than ARN! I agree, but MSP isn't a viable candidate for ex
78 SK909 : I agree, that you could find other destinations that are a lot more viable; SFO, LAX, MIA, MCO, YYZ. MIA and MCO are interesting in regards to touris
79 Bjornstrom : If SK would buy these ex-AC aircraft - would they modify the interior to fit the current seatmap and color scheme? (I believe that the galleys are loc
80 SK909 : Most likely. The planes will be sent to Asia for refitting, and painting, and sent back to Scandinavia. After purchase we can expect to se them within
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