NASCARAirforce From United States, joined Feb 2005, 1773 posts, RR: 4 Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7981 times:
I was at the Oakland County Pontiac Airport (KPTK) today for their annual open house and fly in. I happened to catch a note on the bulletin board in the Executive Terminal/Airport Management office there. It was issued by the FAA to all Airport Managers and Aircraft owners. It said something like this:
There was a letter intercepted written in Arabic that was giving directions for Muslims to target all U.S. registered Corporate Jets and destroy them. It named Learjets and Gulfstreams Specifically. I think it was mainly more for these attacks to happen abroad however and not domestically. It mentioned the reason for going after corporate jets was because they carry important CEOs and U.S. Dignitaries, and recognizing these American jets by their N number. It then gave a list of things to look out for such as suspicious people taking pictures around the airport etc.
My first question is - how come this hasn't hit the media yet? You would think that the propaganda machine would have a field day blowing this out of proportion
Second question is - Are the cops and rent a cops going to go after people even more for writing down N numbers and taking pictures?
Security reasons. Those who had a need to know probably were given notice well before the notice was pinned to the ops room wall. Easy solution is to hanger the ac when not at home base. Another way to add security would be to time delay the live tracking sites by a few hours.
Risk to US aircraft operating in certain reqions has always been a concern. In the few cases where we have operated our airplane in higher risk areas, we always gave a more detailed preflight inspection and paid attention to areas easily accessable to outsiders. On the last trips-to the Bahamas and Virgin Islands-the return preflights were especially detailed. Checked all vents, ports, removed all engine cowlings and covers, checked the wheel wells, inspected baggage locker and wing lockers. Whole preflight took nearly an hour and at intermediate stops, only the PIC left the aircraft to deal with customs and the refuellers. We adjusted our security to the specific risk at the time and once the aircraft was found to be clean, someone from our group had their eyes on it at all times until we cleared customs in Florida. It is no major deal for the corporate flight departments to adjust their security precautions to the present threats. Another trick would be to reregister corporate aircraft used abroad in a western European nation with greater confidentiality-foreign flagging an aircraft in essence.
"When a man runs on railroads over half of his lifetime he is fit for nothing else-and at times he don't know that."
Eksath From United States, joined Aug 2004, 781 posts, RR: 29 Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7589 times:
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Thread starter): My first question is - how come this hasn't hit the media yet? You would think that the propaganda machine would have a field day blowing this out of proportion
Actually, this story hit the news wires a while back. It was on the mainstream media including CNN etc.
This alert went out a while back. I would say about 6 months ago...atleast. Somebody here can probably give a date. You probably saw an old memo still on the wall...still valid but a bit dated.
Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 4546 posts, RR: 60 Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7020 times:
Blow up pax planes... foiled...
now... change of plans, blow up biz jets...
If that's foiled? what next after the change of plans?
Blow up all GE & PW powered airplanes? or Honeywell FMC equipped airplanes? Or even more specific, planes with Litton IRS ?
Anyways, I would assume that those who need to know now have been informed of the latest direction of the terrorists... and hope that this one will be foiled yet again...
Mandala499
When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6905 times:
Terrorists like to blow up commercial aircraft because its a lot of bang for one's buck. A large widebodied jet has a lot of people in a relatively small area, and they can be scattered 6 miles above the ocean with just a small amount of explosives. Its the horror "it could happen to me" aspect they're targeting.
In contrast, blowing up a small biz jet doesn't get them that much. A lot of effort for the death of 2 pilots, a cabin attendant and 2 wealthy executives? Just a small blip on the front pages of the world's newspapers.
EmSeeEye From United States, joined Jun 2006, 459 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6419 times:
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 6): In contrast, blowing up a small biz jet doesn't get them that much. A lot of effort for the death of 2 pilots, a cabin attendant and 2 wealthy executives? Just a small blip on the front pages of the world's newspapers.
Why would they bother?
Actually, it may be a bigger issue than you think. Speaking from my own memory I know of at least 5 corporate jet operators during the 90's that went above and beyond normal flight procedures to add extra security. 3 of them also removed the Amercian flag logo from their tails in more of an effort to take away any visible sign of it being an American A/C.
If these psycho's are going to strap explosives to themselves and walk into a pizza parlor in Isreal why wouldnt they bother to pick off a few Amercian jets? I think it would be bigger news than you think.
"Too many people buy things they don't need, with money they don't have, to impress people they don't even like..."
I wish they would just blow up all the falafel and cus-cus joints. That will do wonders for the local taxi-driver hangouts!
Seriously though, security for bizjets is probably up to the standard of airport security. The terrorist would have to attempt to follow a bizjet of a group of specific company's from airport to airport with the hopes that they find one that has a gap in the security--if they can keep up with the fast movement of the jet. This is a low level threat.
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Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6134 times:
Quoting EmSeeEye (Reply 7): If these psycho's are going to strap explosives to themselves and walk into a pizza parlor in Isreal why wouldnt they bother to pick off a few Amercian jets? I think it would be bigger news than you think.
But blowing up a packed pizza joint with ISRAELI teenagers packs a big punch - once again, lots of people in a small area.
Jmc1975 From United States, joined Sep 2000, 2966 posts, RR: 25 Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5994 times:
The time has now come that we as Americans rise up, be vigilant and fight the enemy by directing U.S. Corporate Jets to destroy the terrorists. To hell with tolerance! Let's take care of business!
LTBEWR From United States, joined Jan 2004, 9356 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5796 times:
I live near Teterboro Airport, one of the top bizjet airports in the USA. It is managed by the PANYNJ so their police are a presence there, not some rent-a-cop. There have been improvements in the last several years as to security access to the airport grounds with higher fences and more security present. Passengers whom are going to board bizjets or even enter the property have to go through security checks, like at a commercial airport although their won't be any lines. Most of the largest bizjets are kept in hangers or well away from the fences. As also noted, most USA based jets will not have USA flags on them and try to look as anonymous as possible. Of course, a number of airports that handle bizjets may not be as secure and no place is absolutely safe.
Many high level companies have strict rules that CEO's, other top executives and even family members cannot use commercial flights and have to use private flights due to a number of security fears including terrorism. Some of these rules have been in place for many years.
With the new round of fears, this may mean more bizjet flights with more complaints of ops from the NIMBY's and losses to airlines of not having as many biz pax critical to their income due to sales of premium coach, biz and 1st class fares.
DeltaGuy767 From United States, joined Jun 2005, 582 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5725 times:
Let's analyze how a terrorist could destroy a biz jet or other corporate aircraft:
1)RPG Near Airport Area (Remember AMS foiled plot last fall)
2)Find some way to become a passenger or pilot of a important person's a/c and pull an Egyptair, or use explosives.
3)Become a mx guy and put a bomb on a/c
These three scenarios will take a lot of time for a terrorist to accomplish due to the background checks at the larger GA airports required to get security clearance onto the airfield. And after that DXR (Danbury,CT) scare where a drunk snuck onto the airport and stole an airplane, GA airports have received much better security. The only plausible way is option #1 which is very high risk and can be easily become detected. Let's hope that any terror plot will be foiled in all due time.
Cheers from BDL,
DeltaGuy767
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Danny From Ireland, joined Apr 2002, 3273 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5550 times:
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Thread starter): . It then gave a list of things to look out for such as suspicious people taking pictures around the airport etc.
Hysteria continues and yet again they target wrong people. Security forces will increase their hassling of spotters and other enthusiast without imporving security at all.
TheRonald From United States, joined Jun 2006, 41 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5114 times:
Quoting DeltaGuy767 (Reply 15): Let's analyze how a terrorist could destroy a biz jet or other corporate aircraft:
1)RPG Near Airport Area (Remember AMS foiled plot last fall)
2)Find some way to become a passenger or pilot of a important person's a/c and pull an Egyptair, or use explosives.
3)Become a mx guy and put a bomb on a/c
Some very good points, 767; however,
1) an RPG you would need to be CLOSE & be SEEN, the most threatning weapon of choice is the shoulder mounted SAM; everyone recalls when the threat of these SAM's were widely available, worst, you could be 2-3 miles away from the airport, launch at any aircraft departing/arriving, walk away with your hands in your pockets right into a shopping center. Airlines were pulling their hair out trying to come up with aircraft defense systems to defeat the SAM's, i don't think pax would have an issue paying higher tix prices if the airlines stated they were installing counter-measures for any possible situation involving a ground lauched 'bogie'.
3) these days you may find a financially stressed mx who is into the ground with credit card debt; may have a gambling problem (i.e. a loan shark or a casino comming after you); offer the poor soul a 'way out of his debt world', show him an envelope with lots of pretty green inside, whisper a few sweet somethings into his ear & the deed is done. OR go Hollywood style & just hang around a hanger area, find your pidgeon, come up behind knock him out, drag him hide him slip on the coveralls grab the toolkit and your on your way.
I already have the quilty concious, may as well have the money, too.
F22KA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4046 times:
Yeah, right... terrorist threat... Based on Mr. "I Smell Bacon" there is no terrorist threat. This is just propaganda to distract people's attention from the events in Lebanon. Poor "freedom fighters", are blamed again by the "evil" administrations in GB and US for something they did not even imagine.
That's the only explanation for which there is no mention of such threat by the "elite" media.
@#*&!!!
(I am already doing 1000 push ups just for the heck of it)
AirOne From United States, joined Apr 2000, 603 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3777 times:
Many private jet companies have thier own security meaures in tact. I know when I worked in operations at NetJets they had thier own security people as well as people from ASI and ISA who worked there too. They looked at terrorist threats and other security related issued for the passengers and crew and positioning of the aircraft once on the ground, securing the apron around the aircraft, and all this was done hours before the plane even lifted off for its destination.
DeltaGuy767 From United States, joined Jun 2005, 582 posts, RR: 3 Reply 25, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3294 times:
Quoting AirOne (Reply 24): Many private jet companies have thier own security meaures in tact. I know when I worked in operations at NetJets they had thier own security people as well as people from ASI and ISA who worked there too. They looked at terrorist threats and other security related issued for the passengers and crew and positioning of the aircraft once on the ground, securing the apron around the aircraft, and all this was done hours before the plane even lifted off for its destination
Why not just have the plane swept by a bomb sniffing dog or other form of detection before receiving passengers/crew. That would leave only a RPG or SAM threat which is very hard to defend against. However techonlogy using lasers could help.
Cheers from BDL and BAF,
DeltaGuy767
[Edited 2006-08-14 20:38:48]
" Cutlass 9RA, Bradley Tower No Delay, Delta 767 holding for runway 24."
26 RIXrat: I'm still not convinced that the terrorists are after the airplanes, as a whole. It sounds and is spectcular, but I believe that they are still after
27 Fumanchewd: I posted the same letter which was released by the TSA two months ago. The letter then stated "moslems" instead of terrorists, so some moslems on this
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