B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12549 times:
From when AC receives its new planes, 772lr and 787, which new cities could we, or should we expect to see from them? Also, could we see capacity increase on existing routes? Also, how many of each have they ordered? I tried checking the Boeing site and only could see orders from recene,t AC was not on there.
Cruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 998 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12487 times:
They have ordered 12 x 772LR's, 4 x 773ER, 2 x 772F, and 14 x 788. They have also leased 1 x 773ER.
One of the routes will be YYZ-LHR for the 773ER's, and other high capacity routes. I believe we will also see YYZ-DEL opened, and YYZ-HKG upgraded to the 772LR. Other than that, I think that ACCARGO could answer the routing plans much better than I ever could.
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JayinKitsap From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 765 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12403 times:
Quoting B752OS (Thread starter): I tried checking the Boeing site and only could see orders from recene,t AC was not on there.
AC ordered in 2005, you were probably looking at 2006. On the orders & delivery webpage go to standard reports click on time period and select your choices to arrange the data. AC pops up on 10 Nov 05 with 12+4+2 777 and 14 787.
SNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3232 posts, RR: 25 Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12251 times:
Quoting Cruiser (Reply 4): One of the routes will be YYZ-LHR for the 773ER's
Currently, at least the last time I checked, AC has a lot of frequencies in this route, some of the legs being flown with the B763ERs, which are relatively small. By introducing the B773ER in the route, will they increase capacity or reduce frequency?
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YVRSR From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 96 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12054 times:
Most AC long-haul international flights are flown using the 767-300ER, A330 and the A340. According to presentations on the AC website the company will get 4 777-300ER and 4 777-200LR planes next year. These planes will start to replace the A340. As far as I know, the A340 is used on the following routines in the summer: (*) means other long-haul planes, such as A330, 767-300ER, is not technically capable of doing the route or can't do it reliably without restrictions or stops.
YYZ nonstop to:
NRT* (767-300ER was used in winter, but sometimes can't do it reliably w/o stop)
HKG* (340 -500)
In the winter, some A340 are moved to flights from YYZ to South America, I believe. A340 may be used on some other flight as well. (I flew LHR -> YVR on one in January of this year.)
Anyways, as 777 are added and A340 are removed, the new planes will need to cover the above routes which can't be flown using A330 and 767-300ER. So I expect that the above routes will be first to get the 777. I think also that the 777 is planed for YYZ-LAX-SYD and that the 777-300ER may flown to airports with slot restrictions such as LHR and NRT.
AC said that they would start a YVR-Can (Guangzhou) flight in 2007. This will require an A340 or 777. We'll have to wait to see if this materializes.
Initially, I suspect most, if not all, of the 777 will be based in Toronto.
Workhorse From France, joined Jul 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11822 times:
I know it has been discussed here before, but since I haven't seen an answer, I'll bring this topic here again.
What was the reason to choose 772LRs instead of 772ERs ? All routes where they will be flying except YYZ-HKG (and maybe some new routes) can be perfectly flown with a 772ER, which is cheaper to buy and burns less fuel...
The only reason I can find for flying such routes with a 772LR is if you have huge amounts of cargo. Do AC really have such a high demand for cargo on flights like YYZ-LHR, YVR-NRT etc?
Accargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11731 times:
Quoting Workhorse (Reply 13): Do AC really have such a high demand for cargo on flights like YYZ-LHR, YVR-NRT etc?
Initially the 777 will fly some domestic routes to shake out the bugs, and familiarize pilot's, then expect YYZ/YUL-LHR/FRA for a while. Once the shake-outs are complete I believe plan is to use them across the Pacific. (YYZ-LAX-SYD, YYZ-NRT, YYZ-CHINA, YYZ-NEW ROUTES)
YYZ is on the short list to become the 777 base for mtce.
The 777F's will be operating the same routes flown by the current wet-lease freighters. There is some speculation that additional 777F's will be leased or ordered as 2 acft will not be enough to totally replace the MD-11's with the planned expansion of cargo routes. The 777F's are not due until 2009.
There will of course be some 777's operating from YVR on AC's busiest routes, and perhaps YUL to some destinations if a solid profit can be had. For all those Wet-Coasters and YULer's it's not about centre of the universe, it is about getting the most profit from your assets.
KrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1575 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11627 times:
I don't even thing that any more A340's will get the new paint scheme, I guess AC may give the hybrid look to some of the A340 that will stay in the fleet for another year or so. All the A330's are being repainted, with a lighter shade of blue as far as I know.
Aren't the B773ER's basically replacing the B744M's?
Anyone know the delivery schedule for the T7s? First B773ER should come 04/06, right? followed by the other 3 and one leased B773ER. There was an executive presentation on AC's website that outlined the fleet integration schedule, but I can't find it anymore.
RJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11553 times:
Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 19): Anyone know the delivery schedule for the T7s? First B773ER should come 04/06, right? followed by the other 3 and one leased B773ER. There was an executive presentation on AC's website that outlined the fleet integration schedule, but I can't find it anymore.
Workhorse From France, joined Jul 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11543 times:
Thank you Accargo, YULYMX, AirbusfanYYZ, KrisYYZ and everybody for your complete replies !
Quoting Accargo (Reply 15): There will of course be some 777's operating from YVR on AC's busiest routes, and perhaps YUL to some destinations if a solid profit can be had. For all those Wet-Coasters and YULer's it's not about centre of the universe, it is about getting the most profit from your assets.
Well, from YVR, you will hardly have the choice if you let all 340's go. A 763 or a 333 can not do YVR-HKG, YVR-PVG or YVR-PEK, so either you put a 777 or you close the route (which is unlikely).
YVRSR From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 96 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11468 times:
Quoting Workhorse (Reply 22): Well, from YVR, you will hardly have the choice if you let all 340's go. A 763 or a 333 can not do YVR-HKG, YVR-PVG or YVR-PEK, so either you put a 777 or you close the route (which is unlikely).
Actually, right now YVR-PVG and YVR-PEK are flown with the 767-300ER daily. These planes won't be leaving the fleet for a while. The A340 is needed for the YVR - HKG flight.
25 FLYACYYZ: The 777-300's are tentatively arriving in Early Spring 2007. The 773ER's, will basically operate high density routes formerly operated by the 747 Comb
26 MSPCRJ200: AirCorp: You mentioned that AC would use the new 772LRs on an LAX-SYD route, can AC pick up pax in the US and transport them to Australia? I thought t
27 SNATH: Thanks for the heads up. Do you know the Y config. Is it 3-3-3 or 2-5-2. Also, is AC planning 8-abreast or 9-abreast on their B787s? Tony
28 FLYACYYZ: Tony: It's firmed up at 3-3-3. The 2-5-2 is heaven for the AC/HK seats, but based on past experience with the L-1011, customers had a perception of be
29 SNATH: Damn. Seriously now, why don't more airlines consider 2-4-3? Tony
30 FLYACYYZ: It's consistent with the new US/Canada bilaterals. It's a matter of final regulatory approval from OZ.
31 YULYMX: 2-4-2 would be perfect man the 777 is huge 2-5-2 i prefere 2 on the window side
32 FLYACYYZ: Does anybody actually have this configuration?? IIRC at a meeting this question was posed, and it had something to do with Transport Canada and evacu
33 FLYACYYZ: Perfect for the customer but not for generating revenue. It's all about real estate. 1 less seat per row is lost revenue. What amazes me however, is
34 SNATH: Ditto. Yes, KLM on their MD-11s and Finnair partly on their MD-11s too (part of Y is 2-4-3, the other part if 3-4-3). I'd look for pictures, but I'm
35 YULWinterSkies: We know we know, it's not a centre of the universe thing... Anyway, who got Canada's first ever scheduled 773ER service? Not YYZ, but YUL... We know
36 YULYMX: What's wrong with that should have alot of space in that configutation
37 FLYACYYZ: It's not a space issue. When you're paying that kind of money for J/C, I would think there would be a preference for aisle or window seating, and not
38 YULYMX: You mean the 777-300 from AF? as far As AC YUL should see is fair share of 777-300 on CDG/FRA/LHR and some To YVR and FLL but YUL will never see a 77
39 Scotland1979: I think AC will keep 4 A343s and get approx 20 used 772. Next month Ac will get 772s and then in May 2007 Ac will get brand new 773s Cheers! Can't wai
40 AirCanada014: Air Canada has the 5th freedom right for Canada and USA so if approval Air Canada will pick up passengers in Toronto and in Los Angeles to Sydney.
41 MSPCRJ200: Is Australia the only third country under this regulation or is there a possibility of seeing AC pick up pax in places like EWR or ORD for European d
42 FLYACYYZ: AC has fifth freedom rights between the UK and points beyond. In the past, there have been limited carriage opportunities such as: YYZ/YUL-LHR-DUS YU
43 SunriseValley: This is A.Net conventional wisdom. Not necessarily reality. In the case of fuel burn, not correct. In a posting in November last Widebodyphotog gives
44 FLYACYYZ: That's a yes and no scenario. Under the existing agreement AC can transport passengers/cargo between the US Australia, as evidenced by HNL-SYD, and t
45 FLYACYYZ: HUH??? The 340's are going, and considering there is not any 777 pilot training till January, how could this be accomplished by next month. On a side
46 KrisYYZ: ???? I pretty sure that AC will no get any B772ers, I assume you're talking about 200ER's because there aren't any used B772LR on the market. I can't
47 A332: I think there is only 1-2 767-200s (non-ER) left in the AC fleet... many of the routes served by these aircraft are covered by AC's A320 family.
48 KrisYYZ: Slightly off topic, but has anyone herd what's going on with the winglets for the B763ERs? Weren't they suppose to be a part of the XM upgrades for th
49 FLYACYYZ: Winglets were part of the original package negotiated by Boeing and Air Canada to upgrade the 763's while awaiting T-7 deliveries. After the deal fel
50 KrisYYZ: thanks! I think the 67s would look good with winglets, especially with AC scheme. KrisYYZ
51 AirCanada014: I think we'll see more expansion for Air Canada using the 5th freedom in the USA and UK.
52 Aeroplan73: I have no idea what the route the first revenue flight of the AC 777 will take. I do know that I will be booking a ticket, regardless of where it's go
53 YULYMX: YUL-YYZ i would bet money on it like the A345
54 Accargo: HUH, what crystal ball are you looking at? Whichever one it is, give it a shake because it is giving you bad info. Any 772's arriving next month will
55 CNZ3: I'm waiting on that first YUL-YYZ flight; I'm going to make a trip up to YBG around March. From this thread it looks like we might have an A.Net mini-
56 FLYACYYZ: I'm with you bud!! It's insane. I bet your right. Will probably ferry from Boeing Field to Montreal for pre-revenue service modifications. First reve
57 Gemuser: Actually the bi-lateral names SFO & HNL as the cities in the US that Canadian airline can serve on the way to Oz, plus one other, subject to approval
58 MAH4546: YYZ-FLL-JNB? That would be interesting. If they do it, I'm sure it would be via Miami. I think the route could work out for them thanks to the large
59 Wolsingerjet: Can you say rapidair YYZ-YUL?!?AC has used nearly every aircraft type it ever operated on this route and I think we will see atleast 1 or 2 daily trip
60 Scotland1979: Hey, did I say 777 Long Range? Nope! I said 772 (777-200) It could be 200 or 200ER Thanks!
61 ZK-NBT: I think the point here is that the problem is this Pilot training according to these insiders doesn't start until January. I really doubt that there
62 Workhorse: With all due respect, this is a little bit hard to believe. The LR is a plane with higher MTOW, higher OEW and bigger engines... Well, it has winglet
63 YULYMX: First B777 will probably do first flight YUL-YYZ-YVR-YYZ-YUL first Day My 2 cents
64 YOWguy: I hope that any AC insiders will let us A.net users known when and where the first flight is. ( Yes I hope it will be YYZ to YUL ...but times and date
65 Accargo: No you said: "Next month Ac will get 772s and then in May 2007 Ac will get brand new 773s" Where are they coming from? Who is going to fly them? Or a
66 AC320tech: AC didnt order -200 or -200ER, we orderd -200LR and they come next year.
67 FLYACYYZ: AC ordered 777-200LR's 777-300ER's & 777-Freighters I believe the mix is 7/11/2 respectively for firm orders, with several options. The 772LR's will b
68 FLYACYYZ: Think you've done your homework!! Cabin A - 24 J Suites Rows 1 - 6 Cabin B - 18 J Suites Rows 7 -11 Cabin C - 68 Y Seats Rows 18-25 3-3-3 Except Rows
69 AirCanada014: I think the first air craft to go into service is the B777-300ER?..Didn't AC mention the 777-300ERs will arrive in spring following B777-200LR in the
70 SNATH: Some interesting pieces of information here! I didn't even know that AC was evaluating a premium economy product... So, VS has 4-across on their B747
71 Scotland1979: Need more info about AC plans to get 777s (200s and 300s) - just ask Eric Fortin... Thanks Eric for the info few months ago Frank
72 CNZ3: It's good to have math skills when you do CAD for a living, but I figured I'd be wrong on that 3-abreast J Suite thing, considering they're putting 3
73 SunriseValley: Read Reply 56 in the following link; it has a pretty complete explanation ... RE: AC Re-confirms 777, 787 Order (by Widebodyphotog Nov 10 2005 in Civ
74 Cruiser: Frank, I think that either Eric does not have the facts, or he was just listing rumours. As of this minute, AC is getting: 12 x 772LR's 5 x 773ER's 2
75 FlyDreamliner: That is a very very long flight. I don't understand that either! I saw that on a KLM MD-11, and I think that's probably the best layout i've seen. I