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Air Canada-new planes on which routes  
User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 16053 times:

From when AC receives its new planes, 772lr and 787, which new cities could we, or should we expect to see from them? Also, could we see capacity increase on existing routes? Also, how many of each have they ordered? I tried checking the Boeing site and only could see orders from recene,t AC was not on there.

[Edited 2006-08-14 01:57:52]

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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 16048 times:

Its Air Canada. 777LR will be used on the LAX-SYD non-stop scheduled to begin next year pending government approval. My guess is the 777LR will replace the 340-500, on a one to one basis.

[Edited 2006-08-14 01:59:04]

User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 16025 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 1):
Its Air Canada

I know I know, I fixed the title.


User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15997 times:

B777 LR YYZ-hkg, YYZ-LAX-SYD... MAy be YVR-SYD, YVR-SIN

User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15991 times:

They have ordered 12 x 772LR's, 4 x 773ER, 2 x 772F, and 14 x 788. They have also leased 1 x 773ER.

One of the routes will be YYZ-LHR for the 773ER's, and other high capacity routes. I believe we will also see YYZ-DEL opened, and YYZ-HKG upgraded to the 772LR. Other than that, I think that ACCARGO could answer the routing plans much better than I ever could.

James



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User currently offlineAC320tech From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15933 times:

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 4):
I think that ACCARGO could answer the routing plans much better than I ever could.

There has been speculation o these 777's will do the world tour like the DC-8's did. Mostly, they are going to replace the leased MD-11's from Gemini, and operate those routes.

The 772LR will replace the A340-500 and A340-300 on a lot of the Asia-Pacific ops.


User currently offlineJayinKitsap From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15907 times:

Quoting B752OS (Thread starter):
I tried checking the Boeing site and only could see orders from recene,t AC was not on there.

AC ordered in 2005, you were probably looking at 2006. On the orders & delivery webpage go to standard reports click on time period and select your choices to arrange the data. AC pops up on 10 Nov 05 with 12+4+2 777 and 14 787.


User currently offlineAC345 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15813 times:

When will the T7's be entered in AC's reservation system? I tried a few of the above mentioned routes and none of them show as being operated by T7's.

User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3247 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15755 times:

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 4):
One of the routes will be YYZ-LHR for the 773ER's

Currently, at least the last time I checked, AC has a lot of frequencies in this route, some of the legs being flown with the B763ERs, which are relatively small. By introducing the B773ER in the route, will they increase capacity or reduce frequency?

Tony



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User currently offlineDavidYYC From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15686 times:

I would strongly suspect that YYC-FRA would be a773ER, also the YYC-LHR is quite busy too.
When are these machine going to arrive. I really like the 777, its going to be great to see them coming here!


User currently offlineYVRSR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15558 times:

Most AC long-haul international flights are flown using the 767-300ER, A330 and the A340. According to presentations on the AC website the company will get 4 777-300ER and 4 777-200LR planes next year. These planes will start to replace the A340. As far as I know, the A340 is used on the following routines in the summer: (*) means other long-haul planes, such as A330, 767-300ER, is not technically capable of doing the route or can't do it reliably without restrictions or stops.

YYZ nonstop to:

LHR
FRA
NRT* (767-300ER was used in winter, but sometimes can't do it reliably w/o stop)
ICN*
PEK*
PVG*
HKG* (340 -500)

YVR ->

NRT
HKG*

In the winter, some A340 are moved to flights from YYZ to South America, I believe. A340 may be used on some other flight as well. (I flew LHR -> YVR on one in January of this year.)

Anyways, as 777 are added and A340 are removed, the new planes will need to cover the above routes which can't be flown using A330 and 767-300ER. So I expect that the above routes will be first to get the 777. I think also that the 777 is planed for YYZ-LAX-SYD and that the 777-300ER may flown to airports with slot restrictions such as LHR and NRT.

AC said that they would start a YVR-Can (Guangzhou) flight in 2007. This will require an A340 or 777. We'll have to wait to see if this materializes.

Initially, I suspect most, if not all, of the 777 will be based in Toronto.


User currently offlineSalomon From Canada, joined Jun 2006, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 15416 times:

I beleive I saw on one of the Air Canada presentations a while ago that the first 773ER would fly on YVR-HKG since its a very busy route.


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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5353 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15399 times:

I'd of thought that YYZ-LAX-SYD would be a 77W! They are getting 5 of them so 3 for this route and then 1 on YYZ-LHR plus another route.

YVR-SYD will probably become non stop and use the 772LR.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 1):
My guess is the 777LR will replace the 340-500, on a one to one basis.

They only have 2 A345's so they won't take long to replace one to one.


User currently offlineWorkhorse From France, joined Jul 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15326 times:

I know it has been discussed here before, but since I haven't seen an answer, I'll bring this topic here again.

What was the reason to choose 772LRs instead of 772ERs ? All routes where they will be flying except YYZ-HKG (and maybe some new routes) can be perfectly flown with a 772ER, which is cheaper to buy and burns less fuel...

The only reason I can find for flying such routes with a 772LR is if you have huge amounts of cargo. Do AC really have such a high demand for cargo on flights like YYZ-LHR, YVR-NRT etc?


User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 15274 times:

Quoting YVRSR (Reply 10):
Initially, I suspect most, if not all, of the 777 will be based in Toronto.

Pretty sure this is correct. You'll see them on the YYZ-YUL-LHR run initially as they come online and pilots get their familiarization.



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User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15235 times:

Quoting Workhorse (Reply 13):
Do AC really have such a high demand for cargo on flights like YYZ-LHR, YVR-NRT etc?

Yes.

Initially the 777 will fly some domestic routes to shake out the bugs, and familiarize pilot's, then expect YYZ/YUL-LHR/FRA for a while. Once the shake-outs are complete I believe plan is to use them across the Pacific. (YYZ-LAX-SYD, YYZ-NRT, YYZ-CHINA, YYZ-NEW ROUTES)

YYZ is on the short list to become the 777 base for mtce.

The 777F's will be operating the same routes flown by the current wet-lease freighters. There is some speculation that additional 777F's will be leased or ordered as 2 acft will not be enough to totally replace the MD-11's with the planned expansion of cargo routes. The 777F's are not due until 2009.

There will of course be some 777's operating from YVR on AC's busiest routes, and perhaps YUL to some destinations if a solid profit can be had. For all those Wet-Coasters and YULer's it's not about centre of the universe, it is about getting the most profit from your assets.


User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15210 times:

The 777-300 from Yul will probably be put on CDG and FRA than a hop to YYZ than back to Europe... but demands wise i could see CDG for sure...

All those YYZ south america also...

Are they retiring all 340 from fleet 345 and 343? is that a fact?


User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1435 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15158 times:

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 16):
The 777-300 from Yul will probably be put on CDG and FRA than a hop to YYZ than back to Europe... but demands wise i could see CDG for sure...

Probably only for the initial period as ACCargo stated above.

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 16):
All those YYZ south america also...

Unlikely. As stated they will be used on premium routes and to open up new routes.
YYZ-India, YYZ-Far East, YYZ-SYD, YYZ-LHR, YYZ-FRA.

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 16):
Are they retiring all 340 from fleet 345 and 343? is that a fact?

Yes confirmed. Eventually the A330s too but not for a while.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15138 times:

Cool. If you dont mind me asking, what will replace the 762 non er versions. 787's? We see a 762 in MCO about 5x a week and thats a non er 762 or 763ER.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15131 times:

I don't even thing that any more A340's will get the new paint scheme, I guess AC may give the hybrid look to some of the A340 that will stay in the fleet for another year or so. All the A330's are being repainted, with a lighter shade of blue as far as I know.

Aren't the B773ER's basically replacing the B744M's?

Anyone know the delivery schedule for the T7s? First B773ER should come 04/06, right? followed by the other 3 and one leased B773ER. There was an executive presentation on AC's website that outlined the fleet integration schedule, but I can't find it anymore.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1435 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15080 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 19):
First B773ER should come 04/06, right?

Well we all missed it then  Wink I think you meant 04/07 and that would be correct IIRC. I'm sure Royal will keep us all abreast of the first AC777 status.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15057 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 19):
Anyone know the delivery schedule for the T7s? First B773ER should come 04/06, right? followed by the other 3 and one leased B773ER. There was an executive presentation on AC's website that outlined the fleet integration schedule, but I can't find it anymore.

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/investor/documents/NBF_060321.pdf

Page 35 i believe.


User currently offlineWorkhorse From France, joined Jul 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 15047 times:

Thank you Accargo, YULYMX, AirbusfanYYZ, KrisYYZ and everybody for your complete replies !

Quoting Accargo (Reply 15):
There will of course be some 777's operating from YVR on AC's busiest routes, and perhaps YUL to some destinations if a solid profit can be had. For all those Wet-Coasters and YULer's it's not about centre of the universe, it is about getting the most profit from your assets.

Well, from YVR, you will hardly have the choice if you let all 340's go. A 763 or a 333 can not do YVR-HKG, YVR-PVG or YVR-PEK, so either you put a 777 or you close the route (which is unlikely).


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 15032 times:

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 20):
I think you meant 04/07

oops, thats what I meant, Thanks.

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 21):
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/investor/documents/NBF_060321.pdf

Page 35 i believe.

sweet, thanks!
I would think that schedule is pretty much sill accurate, besides that single switched order form LR or ER model.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineYVRSR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14972 times:

Quoting Workhorse (Reply 22):
Well, from YVR, you will hardly have the choice if you let all 340's go. A 763 or a 333 can not do YVR-HKG, YVR-PVG or YVR-PEK, so either you put a 777 or you close the route (which is unlikely).

Actually, right now YVR-PVG and YVR-PEK are flown with the 767-300ER daily. These planes won't be leaving the fleet for a while. The A340 is needed for the YVR - HKG flight.


25 FLYACYYZ : The 777-300's are tentatively arriving in Early Spring 2007. The 773ER's, will basically operate high density routes formerly operated by the 747 Comb
26 MSPCRJ200 : AirCorp: You mentioned that AC would use the new 772LRs on an LAX-SYD route, can AC pick up pax in the US and transport them to Australia? I thought t
27 SNATH : Thanks for the heads up. Do you know the Y config. Is it 3-3-3 or 2-5-2. Also, is AC planning 8-abreast or 9-abreast on their B787s? Tony
28 FLYACYYZ : Tony: It's firmed up at 3-3-3. The 2-5-2 is heaven for the AC/HK seats, but based on past experience with the L-1011, customers had a perception of be
29 Post contains images SNATH : Damn. Seriously now, why don't more airlines consider 2-4-3? Tony
30 FLYACYYZ : It's consistent with the new US/Canada bilaterals. It's a matter of final regulatory approval from OZ.
31 YULYMX : 2-4-2 would be perfect man the 777 is huge 2-5-2 i prefere 2 on the window side
32 FLYACYYZ : Does anybody actually have this configuration?? IIRC at a meeting this question was posed, and it had something to do with Transport Canada and evacu
33 FLYACYYZ : Perfect for the customer but not for generating revenue. It's all about real estate. 1 less seat per row is lost revenue. What amazes me however, is
34 SNATH : Ditto. Yes, KLM on their MD-11s and Finnair partly on their MD-11s too (part of Y is 2-4-3, the other part if 3-4-3). I'd look for pictures, but I'm
35 YULWinterSkies : We know we know, it's not a centre of the universe thing... Anyway, who got Canada's first ever scheduled 773ER service? Not YYZ, but YUL... We know
36 YULYMX : What's wrong with that should have alot of space in that configutation
37 FLYACYYZ : It's not a space issue. When you're paying that kind of money for J/C, I would think there would be a preference for aisle or window seating, and not
38 YULYMX : You mean the 777-300 from AF? as far As AC YUL should see is fair share of 777-300 on CDG/FRA/LHR and some To YVR and FLL but YUL will never see a 77
39 Scotland1979 : I think AC will keep 4 A343s and get approx 20 used 772. Next month Ac will get 772s and then in May 2007 Ac will get brand new 773s Cheers! Can't wai
40 AirCanada014 : Air Canada has the 5th freedom right for Canada and USA so if approval Air Canada will pick up passengers in Toronto and in Los Angeles to Sydney.
41 MSPCRJ200 : Is Australia the only third country under this regulation or is there a possibility of seeing AC pick up pax in places like EWR or ORD for European d
42 FLYACYYZ : AC has fifth freedom rights between the UK and points beyond. In the past, there have been limited carriage opportunities such as: YYZ/YUL-LHR-DUS YU
43 SunriseValley : This is A.Net conventional wisdom. Not necessarily reality. In the case of fuel burn, not correct. In a posting in November last Widebodyphotog gives
44 FLYACYYZ : That's a yes and no scenario. Under the existing agreement AC can transport passengers/cargo between the US Australia, as evidenced by HNL-SYD, and t
45 Post contains images FLYACYYZ : HUH??? The 340's are going, and considering there is not any 777 pilot training till January, how could this be accomplished by next month. On a side
46 KrisYYZ : ???? I pretty sure that AC will no get any B772ers, I assume you're talking about 200ER's because there aren't any used B772LR on the market. I can't
47 A332 : I think there is only 1-2 767-200s (non-ER) left in the AC fleet... many of the routes served by these aircraft are covered by AC's A320 family.
48 KrisYYZ : Slightly off topic, but has anyone herd what's going on with the winglets for the B763ERs? Weren't they suppose to be a part of the XM upgrades for th
49 FLYACYYZ : Winglets were part of the original package negotiated by Boeing and Air Canada to upgrade the 763's while awaiting T-7 deliveries. After the deal fel
50 KrisYYZ : thanks! I think the 67s would look good with winglets, especially with AC scheme. KrisYYZ
51 AirCanada014 : I think we'll see more expansion for Air Canada using the 5th freedom in the USA and UK.
52 Post contains images Aeroplan73 : I have no idea what the route the first revenue flight of the AC 777 will take. I do know that I will be booking a ticket, regardless of where it's go
53 YULYMX : YUL-YYZ i would bet money on it like the A345
54 Accargo : HUH, what crystal ball are you looking at? Whichever one it is, give it a shake because it is giving you bad info. Any 772's arriving next month will
55 Post contains images CNZ3 : I'm waiting on that first YUL-YYZ flight; I'm going to make a trip up to YBG around March. From this thread it looks like we might have an A.Net mini-
56 FLYACYYZ : I'm with you bud!! It's insane. I bet your right. Will probably ferry from Boeing Field to Montreal for pre-revenue service modifications. First reve
57 Gemuser : Actually the bi-lateral names SFO & HNL as the cities in the US that Canadian airline can serve on the way to Oz, plus one other, subject to approval
58 MAH4546 : YYZ-FLL-JNB? That would be interesting. If they do it, I'm sure it would be via Miami. I think the route could work out for them thanks to the large
59 Wolsingerjet : Can you say rapidair YYZ-YUL?!?AC has used nearly every aircraft type it ever operated on this route and I think we will see atleast 1 or 2 daily trip
60 Scotland1979 : Hey, did I say 777 Long Range? Nope! I said 772 (777-200) It could be 200 or 200ER Thanks!
61 ZK-NBT : I think the point here is that the problem is this Pilot training according to these insiders doesn't start until January. I really doubt that there
62 Workhorse : With all due respect, this is a little bit hard to believe. The LR is a plane with higher MTOW, higher OEW and bigger engines... Well, it has winglet
63 YULYMX : First B777 will probably do first flight YUL-YYZ-YVR-YYZ-YUL first Day My 2 cents
64 Post contains images YOWguy : I hope that any AC insiders will let us A.net users known when and where the first flight is. ( Yes I hope it will be YYZ to YUL ...but times and date
65 Accargo : No you said: "Next month Ac will get 772s and then in May 2007 Ac will get brand new 773s" Where are they coming from? Who is going to fly them? Or a
66 AC320tech : AC didnt order -200 or -200ER, we orderd -200LR and they come next year.
67 FLYACYYZ : AC ordered 777-200LR's 777-300ER's & 777-Freighters I believe the mix is 7/11/2 respectively for firm orders, with several options. The 772LR's will b
68 FLYACYYZ : Think you've done your homework!! Cabin A - 24 J Suites Rows 1 - 6 Cabin B - 18 J Suites Rows 7 -11 Cabin C - 68 Y Seats Rows 18-25 3-3-3 Except Rows
69 AirCanada014 : I think the first air craft to go into service is the B777-300ER?..Didn't AC mention the 777-300ERs will arrive in spring following B777-200LR in the
70 SNATH : Some interesting pieces of information here! I didn't even know that AC was evaluating a premium economy product... So, VS has 4-across on their B747
71 Scotland1979 : Need more info about AC plans to get 777s (200s and 300s) - just ask Eric Fortin... Thanks Eric for the info few months ago Frank
72 CNZ3 : It's good to have math skills when you do CAD for a living, but I figured I'd be wrong on that 3-abreast J Suite thing, considering they're putting 3
73 Post contains links SunriseValley : Read Reply 56 in the following link; it has a pretty complete explanation ... RE: AC Re-confirms 777, 787 Order (by Widebodyphotog Nov 10 2005 in Civ
74 Cruiser : Frank, I think that either Eric does not have the facts, or he was just listing rumours. As of this minute, AC is getting: 12 x 772LR's 5 x 773ER's 2
75 FlyDreamliner : That is a very very long flight. I don't understand that either! I saw that on a KLM MD-11, and I think that's probably the best layout i've seen. I
76 YULYMX : Not that much from SFO-SYD or LAX-SYD
77 AC320tech : Well they must be rumours. I havent, nor have any of the other staff, my friends in SOC and MTC, and AC Cargo havent heard anything about AC getting
78 FLYACYYZ : This is on the 300ER seat map. Row 30 has 3 stand alone seats (30DEG) just a little behind the 3L/3R door line, allowing for suitable passage/access.
79 Accargo : Why don't you go back and ask Eric again. Your info is wrong.
80 Workhorse : Well, this seems to make some sense indeed. It would be very intersting to have some data from an airline operating both 777-200ER and 777-200LR. May
81 Post contains images MotorHussy : How about a YVR-AKL-MEL codeshare with NZ once they both get their 787-8's? This would compliment the YVR-SYD route and the YYZ-LAX-SYD route. And wha
82 AC787 : I'd like to see the SIN route being non stop. Could the 787-8 do yyz-sin effectively both ways, that would complement SQ's service from yvr nicely an
83 YULYMX : Does SQ offer nonstop to YVR? one way? B777LR would do it Nonstop from both YVR and YYZ
84 MotorHussy : SQ only flies to YVR via ICN currently. Yes, but I doubt there'd be enough demand for a regular (daily) if it didn't stop in at TPE for YVR and PVG o
85 YVRlonghauler : Who knows. I've seen quite a lot of Aussies on vacations here during the summer. Recall that QF is serving YVR again via SFO for the summer time. Any
86 MotorHussy : Thanks, but this was in reference to a proposed SIN leg from YVR and YYZ. I was suggesting the following: YVR-TPE-SIN YYZ-PVG-SIN and/or YYZ-PEK-SIN.
87 KrisYYZ : I wonder when, and which airframe options AC will exercise in the future. AC only covered the withdrawal of the A340s and replacement of the B744s wit
88 Post contains links JayinKitsap : The order had substantial options associated with it. They have 18 purchase rights for the 777 and and options/rights to 46 787's. I think financially
89 AirbusfanYYZ : Well before we get ahead of ourselves there would need to be a bilateral drawn up between Canada and Singapore. IIRC there is none in place now and S
90 Bomboy : Will 2007 finally see the YYZ-BOM Non-stop? I still cannot figure out why they stopped the BOM flight abruptly in 1992 - they apparently were doing we
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