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Air Wisconsin - What's Next  
User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6126 times:

I think the title says it all. We have a new CEO, we have the new ground with NW, what about YX? Is there any news - anything that has been going around? I'm just wondering what is around the corner.


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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5898 times:

I would also like to know the answers to the above questions, but would also like to throw this one out there.

With US getting E90s, do you think some of the routes operated out of PHL by Air Wisconsin will be upgraded to E90 routes? If so, will any of the CRJs be moved to PIT to replace some of the SF3 cities that need more seats? I just have to think that some of the CRJ routes in PHL need larger aircraft. In my opinion, the PHL route network needs more aircraft like the E70 and E90.



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User currently offlineEasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5877 times:

Sorry, no answers, just more questions:

IS the NW thing a done deal, or just very close to done?

I heard that there is a chance they may be taking as many as 40 CRJ200s (ex-Independence) out of the desert. Is this still a possibility?

I also heard that they could be moving their headquarters away from Wisconsin, and maybe going close to either PIT or DCA. Does the NW deal (if it's done) keep them in Wisconsin?



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User currently offlineN757ST From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5754 times:

A lot of you guys are dreaming. Air Wisconsin might have more money then any other regional right now, but they are a VERY conservative company. The only hope for growth in the near future is midwest flying, outside of that don't look for ZW to expand. I have heard it from the VP *KL himself, -900's are too expensive right now, and ZW is not looking for short term growth, which is what is happening all over the industry. (ie the Mesa Dash 8 flying for DL is a 2 year contract, as is the CHQ Continental flying). I hope to be proven wrong, but I highly doubt that I am.

As for the 175s, I see them going to CLT and PHL, with Wisconsin possibly moving more operations to LGA with the CHQ 50's being pulled from there. It would also not suprise me to see E170's eventually parked at F terminal when the 190s come online.

All educated guesses though, take them for what they're worth.

[Edited 2006-08-15 00:47:13]

[Edited 2006-08-15 00:47:49]

User currently offlineN757ST From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5744 times:

Also, about the headquaters moving outside of Wisconsin, also false. The facilities and cost of living in the area enough to keep ZW based in ATW for a long time, also heard first hand from high up management. It does not cost them all that much to limo people that need to get to and from ATW from MKE.

User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5625 times:

Forgive me, I am a little behind on the ZW news but:

I know the contract with United is finished, why does the ZW website still have United information?

What happened to all of the BAE-146s? Retired? Were the leased and returned? or were the sold? or scrapped? parked in the desert?

Does Air Wisconsin have any E175s? They don't show them on their website. or the FAA website.


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5608 times:

I don't know how well the 170s would work at F Terminal - there's inadequate seating space as it is at most of the gates, even with 50-seat RJs parked there. With 72-seaters, it would be a madhouse. I think some of the PHL gates are underutilized enough that they could squeeze more flights in.

LGA is the saddest place in the US system to me... a beautiful terminal with jetways to nowhere (except the ramp) and almost nothing but regional jets and Saabs except for the Shuttle concourse. Hopefully some of the E175s will end up at LGA too...



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5608 times:

Quoting N757ST (Reply 3):
outside of that don't look for ZW to expand.

I am not looking for them to expand, I just didn't know if they might add flights at PIT to replace existing prop routes if all of the CRJs aren't needed in PHL when US has E75s and E90s available?

Quoting United787 (Reply 5):
Does Air Wisconsin have any E175s?

No, they don't...



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User currently offlineN757ST From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5578 times:

No one really knows where the 175s are going to go, but I doubt you will see 50 seaters replacing colgan flying out of pit, maybe on some of the longer legs I suppose. I would imagine a 170 can fit on the F terminal on the main concourse, IE F1,3,5,7,9,11,13,15; these gates have larger spacing then the peir gates, and much larger then the high 30 gates, IE 36,37,38. I am not sure of this, but I could have sworn that I saw a 170 parked there at one time, maybe when mid atlantic was just spooling up. (at that time I was on the GA side of the PHL airport, not the concourse side so I am not sure).

As for the 146's, last one left service April 2006, most were sold to European operators or are sitting in the desert somewhere.

As for 170's and 175s at LGA, maybe, but honestly PHL more then anyplace needs to see larger aircraft and less 50 seat feed. The sad part is that the places that could use the larger aircraft (PHL, CLT) have some of the best small RJ facitilies in the country, where as the places that will likely end up with the 50 seaters (LGA,DCA) have make-shift facilities for them.

It will be very interesting to see what happens at US in the next couple months with the 175s and 190s coming online, hopefully US uses them to reallocate some PHL flying, instead of adding to it, PHL really cannot handle what its already got.

[Edited 2006-08-15 05:22:10]

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4056 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5548 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 1):
In my opinion, the PHL route network needs more aircraft like the E70 and E90.

Which is exactly why the 190s will be based at PHL, initially.

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 7):
I am not looking for them to expand, I just didn't know if they might add flights at PIT to replace existing prop routes if all of the CRJs aren't needed in PHL when US has E75s and E90s available?

If routes are consistently booked beyond Dash-8 capacity, I'm sure of it. US management isn't going to let PIT slip away to competitors that easily. It isn't saying much to upgrade to RJs....but it's better than Dash-8s.

Quoting N757ST (Reply 8):
It will be very interesting to see what happens at US in the next couple months with the 175s and 190s coming online, hopefully US uses them to reallocate some PHL flying, instead of adding to it, PHL really cannot handle what its already got.

I can't wait, personally. Good times are ahead for us.


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4261 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5482 times:

I don't know what the future of this company holds for Air Wisconsin. But I do look for big changes in the coming months with Jim Rankin as the new CEO. From what I know about the guy, he had big visions and plans that he wanted to implement at Skyway, only for Midwest to shoot down every thing that he wanted to do. Look for some of this to come up at Air Wisconsin.

Some other things we have been told are that we definitely have bids out for NW and YX. NW is on hold until they can get this flight attendant mess cleared up. YX has six carriers bidding on the RFP and they are going to start eliminating bids. Where that leaves ZW I do not know but the two companies would be a natural fit for more reasons than I can list. One thing that might give ZW a cost advantage is the fact that they already have a mx base in MKE, and the hangar can accomodate more RON's than it does presently. ZW has also been looking at ATR-72s as well as Q400's in an attempt to try to convince CO to include them in an RFP that they have on the table for prop flying.

Another thread mentioned that the PSA pilots have rejected flying the CRJ-900 for US. This is significant, becuase without them, the only other significant CRJ operator on the east side is Air Wisconsin (Mesa flights are part of the west agreement prior to the merger, and I doubt Airways is satisfied with them), One thing to remember is that the agreement that Air Wisconsin signed with USAirways was the right to fly 70 CRJ's. Therefore US has to have room for 70 CRJ's in their system to cooperate with the agreement. One thing that Airways has made clear is that they have too many 50 seaters and not enough larger planes. One thing US can do is have ZW fly some of the 90 seaters, allowing ZW to place 50 seaters in service with other carriers, possibly YX. I would not be surprised to see 90 seaters in service with ZW in the next year. However, I think that ALPA and ZW needs to get their grievance issue resolved first. After that happens, then they can discuss bringing larger planes onto the property.

As far as other flying goes, whats left? Since DL is bankrupt they could ask for bids on flying to replace Comair or ASA, much like UA did, but I doubt that will happen. So I don't see work there. After what UA did to this company, (cancelling all our employees travel benefits in the middle of the night without any prior warning, stranding our crew members) I doubt that we would want to go back to them. AA pretty much has the old TW deals, and you run into scope issues, so I don't see anything there. CO could have potential with the props, but ZW has to convince CO to participate in the RFP. So pretty much when the dust settles, whats out there is what you get.

The other thing is the ground handling, where ZW has dedicated a lot of resources in recent months, and seems to emphasize. They still handle many United stations, and are going to be taking over some NW stations. There are many stations that they would love to get their own people on the ramp in (especially PHL) for US as well. I would not look for this to happen until the certificates are merged and everything is SHARES.

ZW has been a fine company for many years. I have seen signs that this company needs to evolve, and if management remains ignorant, I am worried about the future of the company. But of the regionals out there, the ones I hope are around for many years are Skywest, Horizon, Air Wisconsin, ExpressJet, and Comair.


User currently offlineAZFlyer84 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5444 times:

Hopefully a debut in PHX....replacing Mesa...

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5026 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5396 times:

I wonder if they might pick up new flying for other carriers. ZW has tons of potential. Would love to see them grown and get their 146's back in the air. Fat chance of that happening, but sure do miss the 146's!


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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5383 times:

Quoting N757ST (Reply 8):
It will be very interesting to see what happens at US in the next couple months with the 175s and 190s coming online, hopefully US uses them to reallocate some PHL flying, instead of adding to it, PHL really cannot handle what its already got.

This is for sure, the E90s will be perfect for PHL!

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 9):
US management isn't going to let PIT slip away to competitors that easily. It isn't saying much to upgrade to RJs....but it's better than Dash-8s.

I sure hope US will upgrade a few DH8s and SF3s to RJs. I hope US doesn't let PIT slip away. Sometimes it just seems like they forget about PIT (not because they don't add service). When US added PIT-BNA back to the Pittsburgh route network, they didn't even announce it? Does anyone know why they do this? I would think they would be happy they actually added a destination instead of cutting one in PIT.

Some destinations that could use upgrades in PIT are the following in my opinion:

PIT-BUF: (4x DH8) I think (3x DH8 and 1x RJ)

PIT-RDU: (4x ERJ) I think (5x ERJ/CRJ)

PIT-MYR: (Sat. only service with 1 E70 and 1 B734) I think (2x RJ or 1x E70)



Pittsburgh International: US Airways---160 daily departures! (52 destinations)
User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4056 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5243 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 13):
When US added PIT-BNA back to the Pittsburgh route network, they didn't even announce it? Does anyone know why they do this? I would think they would be happy they actually added a destination instead of cutting one in PIT.

They often do not announce the reopening of routes they flew before. If you think about it, the only routes you hear about are brand new, i.e. PDX-PHL, LAS-BNA, DCA-SRQ (which starts today, btw http://www2.usairways.com/awa/conten...vestorrelations/pressreleases.aspx )  Smile


User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2071 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5220 times:

PIT-YYZ can't even fill a DH8 most of the time.

User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5145 times:

Quoting Silentbob (Reply 15):
PIT-YYZ can't even fill a DH8 most of the time.

Well, PIT-YYZ currently sees 7 daily flights.

US Airways: (3 DH8 and 1 CRJ)

Air Canada: (3 DH8)

Where did your statement come from anyway? How do you know the loads?



Pittsburgh International: US Airways---160 daily departures! (52 destinations)
User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

ZW still ground handles 21 line station and one hub for UA - which makes us a large partner for them.

I don't see ZW getting larger planes rather taking some of old FlyI planes from the desert. I'm of course hopeful that we will see the YX flying.

I have to wonder where we are going to go once CHQ gets rid of their ERJ's for US Airways. Will BOS, LGA and the PIT see more of our flying? Could PSA take over some of that and send ZW to CLT more - that is what I would like!

Tons of questions but no answers. One thing I've learned here is that this company keeps it's secerts and only shares when it has to.



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4056 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5021 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 16):
Where did your statement come from anyway? How do you know the loads?

I just looked at tomorrow and the loads for the Dash-8s are between 50% and 65%. The morning RJ is only around 40%.


User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 17):
I have to wonder where we are going to go once CHQ gets rid of their ERJ's for US Airways. Will BOS, LGA and the PIT see more of our flying? Could PSA take over some of that and send ZW to CLT more - that is what I would like!

When CHQ is gone, this is going to affect a few PIT routes:

PIT-ALB: (1 daily ERJ)
PIT-BDL: (1 daily ERJ)
PIT-CMH: (1 daily ERJ)
PIT-SYR: (1 daily ERJ)


Not a huge deal, but I sure hope PIT just doesn't lose the flights. When is CHQ ending the ERJ flights for US Airways Express?

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 18):
I just looked at tomorrow and the loads for the Dash-8s are between 50% and 65%. The morning RJ is only around 40%.

Oh, well! I guess Air Canada is kicking US's a**! Air Canada has been seeing increases in PAX for about two years on the PIT-YYZ run!

HPRamper, can you give me your AIM name? I would like to discuss some numbers with you! Thanks man!



Pittsburgh International: US Airways---160 daily departures! (52 destinations)
User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4963 times:

For some reason I thought there were more RJ's out of PIT, oh well. I guess ZW does the rest of them?


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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4901 times:

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 20):
For some reason I thought there were more RJ's out of PIT, oh well. I guess ZW does the rest of them?

There are currently 50 daily RJ departures from PIT during the week:

Chautauqua Airlines: (ALB, BDL, CMH, and SYR) (4 daily flights out of PIT)


Air Wisconsin: (ALB, BDL, BOS, BWI, DCA, EWR, HPN, LGA, ORF, PHL, PVD, ROC, YYZ) (23 daily)


Trans States Airlines: (BDL, BNA, BWI, EWR, RDU, RIC, SDF, STL) (22 daily flights out of PIT)


PSA Airlines: (DCA) (1 daily flight out of PIT)

This is as of August 17, 2006



Pittsburgh International: US Airways---160 daily departures! (52 destinations)
User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4718 times:

Isn't TSA also leaving US Airways Express?? I thought for sure they were asked to leave. So if they leave I wonder if AWAC would also replace some of their flights. Of course it would be great if CHQ brought in the EMB170 and added some seats in a few markets like ORF, ORD, LGA, DCA, and wouldn't it be nice if a few markets were added like MSP.


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4699 times:

I have heard in other threads that Jim Rankin is looking to introduce a gourmet cookie. ATWZW170, can you confirm this? I know I saw this in another thread.

One route that wont get upgraded is PHL-ELM. Its served with 37/50 seat Dash 8's from Piedmont and 50 seat CRJ's from ZW. I flew them in April and the loads were like 50%.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4696 times:

I would love nothing more than to say that the cookies are coming, however, I know nothing. I'm hopeful - just like the rest of us - and will be one of the first back on the MKE bus.  Big grin

I know he is going to come out to PHL at some point to talk with everyone - do a meet and greet.



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25 MLIGRBZW825 : Yeah, he said in his welcome letter he would be making visits, it'd be cool if he came to GRB, but we doubt it since they'll probably ask us to go to
26 ATWZW170 : You never know he might come up there to see what it's like - but you are probably right, you will have to go to ATW. I just hope Jim is ready for all
27 M180up : I think you meant PSA Airlines, but that is a regional that is fully owned by US Airways so I don't think is leaving the express network.
28 Doug_Or : I don't. I think hes talking about TSA (Trans States Airlines) At anyrate, I don't think you're going to see the 170 on routes like PIT-ORF currently
29 Saab2000 : I would not be surprised to see some of the ZW routes out of PHL being taken over by the EMB-190s when they start to come online. There are for sure s
30 Saab2000 : I would not be surprised to see some of the ZW routes out of PHL being taken over by the EMB-190s when they start to come online. There are for sure s
31 CentPIT : While I do agree that PIT-ORF won't see an E70 flight anytime soon, there is currently only 1 daily DH8. PIT-ORF: (1 DH8 and 2 CRJs) As I said before
32 CentPIT : I agree! If you don't mind, where are you flying to from PIT?
33 Saab2000 : LGA, BOS, BDL, PVD on this trip.
34 FCYTravis : Trans States' remaining routes with US Airways Express are operated under an at-risk contract - just like Air Midwest, all the TSA ERJ flying is just
35 FutureFO : We will have 9 E145's left for US. The other 20 are going to CO. So that will mean reductions at our LGA base. And ZW can have LGA. TSA is slowly losi
36 Post contains links and images FCYTravis : Sean, not sure where you get 9. According to the corporate fleet plan here - http://www.flychautauqua.com/ir-fleet_sched.html - there will be 10 CHQ E
37 Silentbob : Piedmont's DH8 fleet is an average of 15 years old. US is studying replacing them with Q300s and Q400s but it's going to be a while before they say an
38 ATWZW170 : I thought the agreement with US and CHQ was that all the 50 seaters would leave to be replaced by the EMB175...isn't that what the press release state
39 FutureFO : Nope that is incorrect. We will still have 9 left for US. The 175's will eventually replace the 145's but nothing in the immediate future. Also FCYTra
40 Post contains images FCYTravis : Well, you might want to let your investor relations guys know that their SEC investor guidance documents are wrong, because they say 10.
41 FutureFO : Well according to our internal memo, we will have 9 left. Unfortunately Wexford which owns RAH doesn't always see the actual numbers, as we have sever
42 CentPIT : Isn't Republic operating the E75? Are Republic and CHQ related somehow? I think I remember seeing this somewhere! While PSA might be growing in PHL a
43 FutureFO : Republic, CHQ and S5 are all part of Republic Airways Holdings. 3 seperate companies. Republic is currently operating the E70's. The E75's come online
44 CentPIT : Ok, thought so!
45 MCOflyer : Piedmont has Dash 8-300's. I fly them 5x year PHL-ELM. I hope ZW gets the LGA base. Good luck to everyone in the company. I hope this guy is better th
46 Silentbob : They have 11 300s
47 CentPIT : I am surprised a few of these aren't in PIT.
48 Silentbob : Why? PIT traffic doesn't fill the 100s on a regular basis.
49 Doug_Or : The -300 generaly are used on short routes that need the seats. Most PIT routes on the dash are on the long side. If they got upgraded it would be to
50 Silentbob : Last week there was a 300 on these as well. PHL-PVD PHL-ELM PHL-SYR
51 ATWZW170 : The 300's come through PHL but the majority of them are in CLT. I truely hope that Dougie spends some time on the Express side of the house or at leas
52 DashTrash : The -300 flying has been spread out between PHL and CLT pretty evenly. I've flown them from PHL to HVN, BUF, ITH, SCE, ORF, PHF, ROA, ABE, MDT, and so
53 Doug_Or : 965 still exists. Took it to YYZ last week.
54 DashTrash : 965 still around. Good. Love flying the 200s. Had 968 today with an MEL'd APU, UNS, and the bag door counterweights. Lovely day, but it was still bett
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