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I Am Done Spotting  
User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19117 times:

I have been spotting planes at various airports for a long time and i found it very enjoyable but this summer i have been busted twice. Once at the Kodiak Seaplane Dock in Alaska and once at ANC. Both times i was on public property, and both times a policeman had to call in my ID number. I am sure that goes on my record and severly decreses or even destroys my chances of becomming a pilot for AS or another major airline. So thanks a lot terrorists, I can no longer watch planes and my dream of flying for AS is crushed.  Sad  Angry

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User currently offlineFiveMileFinal From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19085 times:

What exactly does it mean when you say "call in your ID number"?

And how are you so sure this 'goes on your record?' Did he bust you for tresspassing?



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19085 times:

Quoting Alaska737 (Thread starter):
I am sure that goes on my record...

Depending on local policy, it may generate what is known as a contact report. Literally meaning, a police officer was in contact with a citizen. Unless you were cited for something it doesn't mean anything else and isn't a negative on any record anywhere. It won't hinder your chances of getting an airline job.


User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19055 times:

Quoting FiveMileFinal (Reply 1):
What exactly does it mean when you say "call in your ID number"?

And how are you so sure this 'goes on your record?' Did he bust you for tresspassing?

1. both times they asked for my ID and called into his station or chief or whatever.

2. Both said it looked suspicious and the one in ANC also said that some cargo ramp workers had recieved phoned a call about people around the airport. i wasnt tresspassing i was on public grounds outside of the perimiter fence.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8671 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19042 times:

Alaska737,

I'm sorry to hear that. Down here in Florida, they're much nicer. Especially @ MCO where to the north of the beachline, they have a spotters parking area.

MCOflyer



Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
User currently offlineAirKas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 3980 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19042 times:

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 3):
i wasnt tresspassing i was on public grounds outside of the perimiter fence.

Then you should be fine AFAIK?


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19042 times:

Quoting Alaska737 (Thread starter):
I am sure that goes on my record and severly decreses or even destroys my chances of becomming a pilot for AS or another major airline. So thanks a lot terrorists, I can no longer watch planes and my dream of flying for AS is crushed.

It shouldn't be.

Remember way back in grade school, they used to ominously refer to "your permanent record", i.e. you misbehaved, and were "threatened" with "something" being added to that? Same thing here.

Unless you have a true "criminal record", you need not worry.


User currently offlineChiuaua From Netherlands, joined Apr 2000, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 18931 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6):
Unless you have a true "criminal record", you need not worry.

They probably called in your ID number to check if you had any records (unpaid fines or if you were sought for some other crime). Had that in February in a train passing from Austria to Germany. They just check you out. If you're not arrested or charged with any crime, then forget about it and start off again with your AS dream.

Good luck with making your dream come true.  Smile


User currently offlineCBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1552 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18884 times:

Quoting Alaska737 (Thread starter):
Both times i was on public property, and both times a policeman had to call in my ID number. I am sure that goes on my record and severly decreses or even destroys my chances of becomming a pilot for AS or another major airline. So thanks a lot terrorists, I can no longer watch planes and my dream of flying for AS is crushed.

Relax, just because the police did a background check on you, doesn't mean you have a criminal record and will never become a pilot. It's like failing an FAA checkride and getting a pink slip on your record. Every pilot has one, unless they are perfect (but unlikely) that doesn't mean an airline is not going to hire you. I am sure that if you work hard, and strive to be a AS pilot, you will become one. Don't let a few police or terrorists ruin your dream. Wait a few weeks for things to settle down, and then start spotting again. Even better, call the airport police station, and let them know you are a photographer, and would like to take pictures of airplanes around the airport. Usually they take down some information, but you will not be hassled by any of the police. Keep spotting, and work hard to become an AS pilot, and watch...your dreams will come true!!



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User currently offlineReyes27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18865 times:

Having your ID checked is no different than being stopped for speeding and just getting a warning.

Never been bothered in JNU at all.



edit: grammar > I

[Edited 2006-08-15 00:25:08]

User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18815 times:

Quoting Reyes27 (Reply 9):
Having your ID checked is no different than being stopped for speeding at just getting a warning.

Exactly. You only have to worry if you are convicted.



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User currently offlineClearedDirect From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18772 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 4):
Alaska737,

I'm sorry to hear that. Down here in Florida, they're much nicer. Especially @ MCO where to the north of the beachline, they have a spotters parking area.

MCOflyer

Im not sure the area you are talking about but the one right on the other side of the Beachline has been closed for like 2 years.


User currently offlineNrcnyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18754 times:

Is it right for an officer to ask a spotter to produce identification when standing on public property doing nothing illegal? I was under the impression that unless we have been caught doing something illegal, we are protected against this sort of request. Am I completely wrong?

User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2178 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18754 times:

Quoting Reyes27 (Reply 9):
Having your ID checked is no different than being stopped for speeding and just getting a warning.

Except that in the speeding case you actually violate a law and the police is tolerant, whereas in the spotting case you are 100% lawful and the police just makes sure who you are...



When I doubt... go running!
User currently offlineBobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18654 times:

People who throw temper tantrums when they get discoraged shouldn't be pilots. Sounds like you were given a test to see if you can deal with one of life's little problems, and you flunked it.

User currently offlineReyes27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18634 times:

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 13):
Except that in the speeding case you actually violate a law and the police is tolerant, whereas in the spotting case you are 100% lawful and the police just makes sure who you are...

But the end result is the same.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18586 times:

Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 14):
People who throw temper tantrums when they get discoraged shouldn't be pilots. Sounds like you were given a test to see if you can deal with one of life's little problems, and you flunked it.

So then, the offiicers were just acting as career counselors to help weed this guy out of the prospective pilot population? I think not.

I think it's far more likely that the OP, at his tender young age, didn't fully understand what the law was, and how things work in the real world, nor would he be expected to at that age.

Cutting the guy some slack just might be in order...


User currently offlineRongotai From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 477 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18571 times:

I think that the major threat to your dream of becoming an airline pilot as indicated in your post is your irrational extrapolation from from being asked for your ID twice to a conclusion that your aspiration to be a pilot must have been crushed.

You are at high risk of being turned down on psychological grounds if you were to hint at that sort of mental processing in an interview with a major airline. It wouldn't necessarily be a killer, but it would certainly earn you negative points. Its something you can easily deal with if you really want to.

I say this as someone who has served time on the interviewing side of the table.


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18538 times:

The airline would never find out, and if they did, they wouldn't care. Just calm down.


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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18496 times:

Quoting Alaska737 (Thread starter):
I am sure that goes on my record and severly decreses or even destroys my chances of becomming a pilot for AS or another major airline.

By simply have your driver's license number checked you have had not your chances of being hired as a pilot decrreased. You are only blackballed for convictions, not checks.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineVatveng From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 958 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18496 times:

You're a teenager. Cops love to put the "fear of God" in teenagers, by implying that just because they call in your driver's license number some smear is going on some record and you're marked for life. Trust me, as someone who has gotten more speeding tickets than the number of years you've been alive, the only things on your police record are actual convictions and (in some states) pending court cases. But unless you actually receive a traffic court summons, they're just trying to scare you.


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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 18443 times:

Alaska737:

Go back out spotting, but first go to this website:

http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm

Click on the PDF file and print it up and next time the pig harasses you give the letter to him:

If you weren't on airport property and outside the fence area he had no right to even do what he did or even kick you out. You weren't doing anything illegal.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 4):
I'm sorry to hear that. Down here in Florida, they're much nicer. Especially @ MCO where to the north of the beachline, they have a spotters parking area.

When did they put this in? I used to live on Semoran and drove all over the place looking for a spotting location along Frontage Road. I don't believe they even allow the Cuban Sandwich guy to park on Frontage and Conway anymore.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 18364 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 21):
Click on the PDF file and print it up and next time the pig harasses you give the letter to him:

If you weren't on airport property and outside the fence area he had no right to even do what he did or even kick you out. You weren't doing anything illegal.

Go ahead, give us the flier. We won't care. According to his story all that happened is he had wants and warrants run on him. Something police have the right to do in most states (backed by SCOTUS). Yes, the "pigs" do have the right to ask for your identification in most states. ANC (if he dares pop into CIV-AV) can get us specifics on AK.

Three steps:

1. Don't be a dick to the cop
2. Explain your presence without violating 1
3. Continue doing what you were doing after he runs wants and warrants and moves on.

[Edited 2006-08-15 01:43:01]

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 18301 times:

Quoting ClearedDirect (Reply 11):
Im not sure the area you are talking about but the one right on the other side of the Beachline has been closed for like 2 years.

Yes, there's a new one. I haven't been there, but some fiends in Orlando have been there.



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineOutlier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 18284 times:

Oh for crying out loud.....

If this is all it takes to divert you from your "dream" then you might as well lay down on the Glenn at rush hour: you're done.


25 STT757 : George W. Bush was arrested for Driving while intoxicated in Maine, that did not stop him from going on to be Governor of Texas or President of the Un
26 EWRCabincrew : All the more reason to make your dreams come true. F*** the terrorists, go out and LIVE YOUR DREAM. AS would be proud to have you (as would anyone el
27 ANCFlyer : Was it Airport or City at ANC? I'm curious because I've met a couple A-Netters that came to ANC, and a few that live here, and they spot all the time
28 NASCARAirforce : Not sure how old you are Alaska, but something is telling me that you are a teenager. By the time you are old enough to fly commercially (that is if y
29 Post contains links Aviateur : Bull crap. Stop taking this nonsense from overzealous policemen and airport staff. The truth is, there is nothing illegal about plane-spotting, and an
30 ChrisNH : I'm just curious: Do the cops that 'bust' people actually carry with them some statute or law book that clearly states that the spotter is in violatio
31 Post contains images LhrBOB : You shouldn;t give up I've been stopped several times at LHR, but I persist. Not at the mo tho. Bob
32 Post contains images OPNLguy : Great article....
33 L-188 : Exactly, my brother who is a firefighter still laughs at the time he was listening to the pager and the local cops called in a contact report on my s
34 S12PPL : As has been stated above, you can STILL be an airline pilot even though they ran your drivers license to see if you had any priors, or outstanding war
35 DocLightning : You may wish to speak to an attorney in your town and ask what the laws are on disclosure of ID to police officers while on public property. He may ev
36 MIAMIx707 : Cops down here around airports are rarely nice when they bother to approach you, becasuse they're usually bored and need some excitement. (and that g
37 Copter808 : Can someone explain to me what the problem is with a cop asking for your ID? You're in the area of the airport enjoying your hobby. He's in the area d
38 Brilondon : You were not doing anything illegal so don't worry about it.
39 Alaska737 : Yeah i was on the north end of the airport, on the hill to the left of 14. sorry but i highly doubt you can fully understand someones psychologiacal
40 OPNLguy : Then don't listen to any nay-sayers on a public message board. Whether it's the law (in this case, and to the extent that it affects your situation),
41 Ckfred : When it comes to jobs, whether in the airline industry or otherwise, the question could be any of the following, depending on the nature of the job or
42 Zudnic : In my experience, crowing about rights is a sure-fire way to tick off the officer. If the consensus is true that the ID check is no-harm, no-foul, th
43 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Welcome to the Brown Leather Jacket CLub - better known as the United States Air Force. . . Whaaaaa is their trademark. Local Cop or Airport? Either
44 Post contains images 797 : Is that real? I'm wayting for the security level to go down to go to this nice park located at FLL, I'm on vacation here and I haven't been able to g
45 Alaska737 : I think form now on it might be a good idea for me to call the Airport Security and let them know when and where i would be spotting to avoid any futu
46 ANCFlyer : Noooo, gives them the opportunity to tell you NO before you spot. Just go, when the cop shows up, be nice, chat, show him the photos, tell him how lo
47 Alaska737 : I would like to make a couple of statments. 1. the policeman was in no way a "dick" he was nice and in no way pushy. he told me that he understands av
48 Aerorobnz : Yep, politeness gets you a long way. When I was in ANC the cop came because he got called out by a member of public - He himself said he wouldn't hav
49 Nosedive : It's a question we all ask. Join the club. You're not alone; we've all been there. Chill. Fact of life: My dad, while in college, was doing some real
50 GFKbored : I've noticed that when spotting at MSP and YWG that the security personel are very scarce, they are all watching via remote. The people that are alway
51 Rongotai : Yes, you are right, I can't. But it IS an indicator. You're the one that knows whether your reaction is a psychological trait or not. I was merely tr
52 Jumbopilot : Aviateur, I read your article and was really astonished about it. Not about the first part at all, because I grew up in the former Eastern part of Ge
53 L-188 : I would be more worried if he didn't release the emotion.....which is why some of those pilot parties after missions over Nam used to get so roudy. D
54 Post contains images Junior747 : That's not nececerily true. I got busted at MIA and they called in my ID too, and I'm quite sure it's not on my record, so relax, you can still get t
55 Spruit : Okay, from a UK Perspective! This would in no way affect your ability to become a pilot as 99% of the people on this thread have said, a query is as h
56 We're Nuts : Don't do any of these and you are good to go: 1. Forgery of certificates, false marking of an aircraft, and other aircraft registration violations 2.
57 WSOY : Tha land of the free, or the land of the police? It's the people who decide, not the "terrorists". Not that it would matter to me, just passing by won
58 57AZ : Yes. Depending on the laws in your area you may be technically loitering if on public property-a misdemeanor offense. There is also plenty of case la
59 Boeing727flyer : I got the same at Port Columbus when I first moved to Ohio and started spotting. Now all the cops stop on by and talk to me and ask how I am doing. On
60 Cedarjet : It's not terrorists stopping and questioning you. Furthermore, you are not breaking the law, therefore you should stand up for yourself. Good luck.
61 Ksmd11 : Hi Guys, I spent 4 very enjoyable days at ANC in early July. As we'd come from the UK we decided it best to see the airport police first, tell what we
62 BostonGuy : Well... you should read the article for which you provide a link. The office most likely does have a right to ask for ID. That said, sounds to me as
63 EXAAUADL : I dont think so...good luck
64 RAPCON : What a bunch of crock! Complete crock. So please knock it off and get a hold of yourself. The only thing that a cop checks is to make sure that there
65 LN-MOW : I've found wearing a reflective vest to be very helpful. I've stood roadside on several locations and had cops drive by without stopping when wearing
66 Post contains links Aviateur : That's not the issue. The issue is when the cops or guards actually and needlessly detain you, as they did with me, or tell you that it's against the
67 Ca2ohHP : Sounds like a cop trying to be more important than he really is. A couple of my friends got stopped in the "D" employee lot at LAX recently and questi
68 Airimages : ...and US politics...
69 Bahadir : Terrorists won! So does the people who are making sh!t load of money by the WOT. It is amazing how a 16-20 year old guy is self-cencoring thanks to th
70 Xjramper : LOL ----- You have to mess up really really really really bad for them to turn their nose up at you. XJR
71 747LUVR : FOR MCO SPOTTING: Just east of SR 436 (Semoran) where Denny's and TGIF's are, there are some side roads you can spot that are just north of the runway
72 Eddie757 : Today I was spotting at LEMD / MAD and I just had two conversations with the cops. I told 'em I only wanted to take pictures and they stayed with me d
73 Soon7x7 : Alaska,....Don't let it get you down.Authority figures around airports have been instructed that anyone with a camera around airport areas should be t
74 TakeOff : Aren't you being a little bit dramatic?
75 DocLightning : Actually Question (C) is illegal. You MAY ask if the applicant is currently under investigation for a crime, but even if the applicant was arrested,
76 Post contains images B777ER : You should try the theater specializing in drama.
77 I530j : Indeed Joe very nice spots over there. And if your lucky and if there departing to the north you can catch the 3 Virgin 747 departures in wonderful l
78 L-188 : Sounds like the same theory I used to use when I was in the Army and walked around with a clipboard all the time so that I didn't get yanked for deta
79 Copter808 : Wow, I think the translation of that is: "It's perfectly legal, but we would rather not have to come out here checking you out all the time." Don't w
80 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Awesome, I wishh cops and airport people in the lower 48 were as nice as in ANC. Those are the worse. I've already had two different ppl from Quantum
81 Post contains images MHO : We don't have ID numbers in this country, although we have lots of other numbers - social security, driver's license, pilot certificate, beuatician's
82 MarkTPA : I would not worry about this in the least bit. In fact you could use this in your airline interview. I think it would be a great HR story to tell. As
83 Ne0shell : I was taking photos inside the terminal at DCA a few months back - actually using a tripod and shooting the metal sculpture on the wall in Terminal B
84 BigOrange : Because oneway or another, the Psycho's will find out about this ID and get one, then blow up a plane. Then we're all f***ked!
85 Jhooper : I'd worry less about this than I'd worry about the time I was tardy to English class and got my name in the disipline book, or for that "C" I got on
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