ANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4179 times:
You have to read the DOT order carefully. DOT is granting Jetstar the authority to operate to HNL - but not the schedule proposed.
Quote: Consistent with Jetstar’s statement on the record that its illustrative service proposal was not a request for a specified number of frequencies or an invoking of any procedure under the U.S.-Australia aviation agreement with respect to the frequencies that Jetstar may operate between the United States and Australia. We confirm that our action here granting Jetstar authority is without prejudice to any determination we might reach on Jetstar’s formal filing for frequencies under the provisions of the U.S.-Australia bilateral air services agreement, and shall in no way bc deemed an approval of such filing.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4003 times:
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 7): I know QF ordered 332's, but whats the range issue?
Maybe QF's A332s don't have ETOPS 180 yet. I'm not sure though, because technically, an A332 should be perfectly capable of flying to HNL. Remember, AF operate one of the largest A332 flights, which is CDG-NRT at 5256 nm.
According to the Great Circle Mapper, SYD-HNL is a still air distance of 4403 nm, while MEL-HNL is longer at 4783 nm. That should be well within range for an A330-200.
Pilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3978 times:
Its something to do with QF's A332's. They have had to order 2 more just for this route as theirs do not have the range. I cant remember the reason. QF do quite well with J class on this route honeymooners and retirees etc all like to fly J, well thats what ive heard any way
QantasA380 From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 212 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3856 times:
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 7): I think they will be replacing QF. Can someone tell me what they mean by 332's long enogh to the route. I know QF ordered 332's, but whats the range issue?
NO, they're not replacing Qantas, they are going to be operating alongside Qantas on the three days a week that Qantas doesn't fly SYD-HNL...
The issue with the current QF A332 is that Qantas specified a lot of options to make the aircraft more suited to short (1.5-5hr) flights, rather than more suited to long (as in SYD-HNL) flights... so to operate these four aircraft on "long" routes they need to be modified.
Onedude From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 214 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3851 times:
Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 10): QF do quite well with J class on this route honeymooners and retirees etc all like to fly J, well thats what ive heard any way
Unfortunately the reason Jetstar is entering HNL and Qantas will eventually withdraw is the lack of full fare paying J class passengers in the pointy end. This is purely a route of leisure, VFR and very low business class passengers - plus with HA, AC and NZ it is a very low yielding route.
RichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3678 times:
Jetstar flying to HNL will that get much airfreight? It shouldn't put off HA flying HNL-MEL,SYD with 744 (secondhand) while moving the 763 to HNL-BNE. HA will do well northbound out of Australia to mainland with passengers and well southbound with freight. Increasing Australia improves HA's business immediately IMO. Dunckerley being too conservative at the moment.
Perhaps as few as 3-4 744's would enable HA to compete on SYD,MEL,BNE,ADL to SEA,PDX,SAN,LAS,LAX,SFO.
QF needs about 115 787's to do the same thing.
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5133 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3539 times:
Quoting Koruman (Reply 20): Are there also going to be additional NZ11/12 services, overnight up to HNL and daytime back to AKL?
I'm not sure but it is to far out to tell though for next year. The current NZ11/12 only started on August 12 and I think run until the end of September.
Quoting Koruman (Reply 20): It's a shame: I still think that axing the HNL-LAX sector gave away a lot of UK / Europe market share of people wanting to stopover to/from Australia and NZ.
Yes you may well be right there but i think the fact they couldn't carry pax from LAX-HNL probably meant they didn't have the greatest loads even with those coming from Europe. Though they did fly the route for a long time!