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DL Finally Makes LAX Expansion Announcement  
User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7297 times:

In regards to the questions on this thread:

DL Buildup In LAX...where's The Announcement? (by MaverickM11 Aug 11 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Delta has finally announced. Also expanding to Northern California.

"Delta will add 16 new routes this winter from our West Coast gateway at Los Angeles International Airport to meet the ever-growing demand in one of the country’s largest travel markets for Hispanic customers. With the move, Delta will be on track to serve the second-most destinations in Mexico of any U.S. airline by spring 2007. The expansion will include new nonstop flights to nine Mexican destinations and two Central American destinations as well as corresponding connecting service to five destinations in the United States that are the most popular with our Hispanic customers.

“Los Angeles is at the heart of Hispanic culture in the United States, and we are excited to expand our service to meet the needs of our customers in this growing West Coast market,” said Glen Hauenstein, e.v.p.-Network and Revenue Management. “With new service both southbound and northbound from Los Angeles, our customers will find it much easier to travel between the top destinations in Mexico, Central America and almost any point in the United States.” "


http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10323



OttoPylit

[Edited 2006-08-15 12:47:22]

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7271 times:
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Always good to see airlines expanding with more aircraft and/or new routes

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4879 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7191 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Thread starter):


“Los Angeles is at the heart of Hispanic culture in the United States

Miami has scads more "culture" of all kinds than LA!



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User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1941 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7152 times:

This is looks like part of a plan to shift Sky West and ASA RJ's to international routes. What is strange is that the release said ASA will operate the flights. One can only wonder how long it will be before Sky West completely merges the operations of both carriers. Sky West has a good operational reputation, while ASA's reputation for on time operations is far from good.

User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7049 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
Miami has scads more "culture" of all kinds than LA!

That remark needs a little back up...

49% of all Hispanics in the United States are split between California and Texas. Please see the link below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:New_2000_hispanic_percent.gif

"The Hispanic population of Los Angeles County, California--numbering over 4.6 million--is the largest of any county in the nation."

Source: http://www.wikipedia.org

"Of 1,512,720 foreign born people, 100,252 were born in Europe, 376,767 were born in Asia, 64,730 were born in Africa, 94,104 were born in Caribbean/Oceania, 996,996 were born in Latin America, and 13,859 were born in Northern America. Of such foreign-born people, 569,771 entered between 1990 to March 2000. 509,841 are naturalized citizens and 1,002,879 are not citizens."

Source: http://www.wikipedia.org

"The Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) is the number one entry for immigrants in the country. The Hispanic, Asian American, and Caribbean populations are growing particularly quickly — the Asian American population is the largest of any city in the U.S and the city contains the largest concentration of Los Angeles County's 1.4 million Asians. Los Angeles hosts the largest populations of Armenians, Cambodians, Filipinos, Guatemalans, Hungarians, Koreans, Mexicans, Salvadorans, and Thais in the world outside of their respective countries. Los Angeles is also home to the largest populations of Japanese and Persians living in the U.S., and has one of the largest Native American populations in the country"

Source: http://www.wikipedia.org


User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6992 times:

Another West Coast carrier to SMF. Thank God I don't have to fly WN next time I fly to LA. This is definitely good news for those of us in the West Coast.

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 3993 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6977 times:

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 3):
What is strange is that the release said ASA will operate the flights. One can only wonder how long it will be before Sky West completely merges the operations of both carriers.

ASA pilots are unionized whereas SkyWest's are not. Also SkyWest does connection contract flying for UA under the UA Express banner from LAX and I believe that contract specifically prohibits SkyWest from operating flights for DL from LAX but doesn't for a separately owned entity like ASA. Hence the biggest reason to keep them separate so they have that loop-hole and the pilots union issue.

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 3):
Sky West has a good operational reputation, while ASA's reputation for on time operations is far from good.

When so much of your operation is from southeastern US airports into Hartsfield- Jackson (ATL) you're going to have such problems. Those bad numbers will go down as ATL now has that all important 5th runway. LAX could be a different story however as they are now having runway issues.



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User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6952 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 5):
Another West Coast carrier to SMF. Thank God I don't have to fly WN next time I fly to LA. This is definitely good news for those of us in the West Coast.

A lot of people are breathing a sigh of relief on that one.. Now if we could get HP to return to the SMF-SNA route!


User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6692 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
Those bad numbers will go down as ATL now has that all important 5th runway. LAX could be a different story however as they are now having runway issues.

Well, even though the 5th runway has opened up, ATL will be closing another for repairs, so it will be awhile before the benefit of the 5th runway can be seen.

I can tell ya this though. I've flown onto it a couple of times, and it adds a good 10-15 minutes to your taxi time. Grrrr... banghead 



OttoPylit


User currently offlineCWAFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6660 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
Also SkyWest does connection contract flying for UA under the UA Express banner from LAX and I believe that contract specifically prohibits SkyWest from operating flights for DL from LAX but keep

Not true. SkyWest operates one flight from SLC to LAX (and its return) in the evening.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6577 times:

Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 9):
Not true. SkyWest operates one flight from SLC to LAX (and its return) in the evening.

The contract prohibits Skywest from setting up operations for another carrier at a UA hub.

SLC-LAX is OK because it is hub flying. But Skywest could not set up a feed operation for DL out of LAX, at least as Skywest.



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User currently offlineCWAFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6532 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
believe that contract specifically prohibits SkyWest from operating flights for DL from LAX



Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 9):
Not true. SkyWest operates one flight from SLC to LAX (and its return) in the evening.



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 10):
The contract prohibits Skywest from setting up operations for another carrier at a UA hub

Neither the question nor my response said anything about a SkyWest hub in LAX for Delta.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6532 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
Miami has scads more "culture" of all kinds than LA!

Please Miami is such an awful place!



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User currently offlineTan Flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6519 times:

Well, IMHO, If Delta was serious about tapping the huge Hispanic Market they should have thought about having ASA add some service to/from FAT that would help feed these flights to Mexico.

The San Joaquin valley has now proven itself as being able to support significant traffic to Mexico.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6001 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6377 times:

MalpensaSFO: Thanks for doing the dirty work. Ozark remarks were way off.

A couple of things that will make this interesting IMHO. How will people respond to the CRJ's flying into Mexico. We (AS) have difficult times fitting all the baggage into our 737's going to non-resort destinations, how will a CR7 work out? Second, what kind of nitch does DL plan on getting when running to the Bay Area vs. UA/AA/AS and WN?

ASLAX



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User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6362 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 14):
How will people respond to the CRJ's flying into Mexico.

Delta will test the water and using the CRJ is a good option. Little is ventured, a lot can be gained. In addition if the routes provide fruitful look forward to 738's and M80's, M90's to replace the CRJ's.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6341 times:

Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 11):
Neither the question nor my response said anything about a SkyWest hub in LAX for Delta.

No but the discussion was about Skywest operating at LAX.

I wasn't criticizing your response. I quoted your response to maintain continuity.

If you prefer I will admit that I should have also quoted the other comment. SLCUT2777 did not word his comment clearly on the situation, at least to me. That is why you ended up commenting that there was a SLC-LAX flight, which was not the real point that was trying to be made.

I was expanding on the info the 2 of you were presenting. I was trying to explain for others who may not know about the UAX contract limit on Skywest ops and clarify info that was not explained well. As stated that is a reason for ASA at LAX.



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User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6341 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 8):
Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
Those bad numbers will go down as ATL now has that all important 5th runway. LAX could be a different story however as they are now having runway issues.

Well, even though the 5th runway has opened up, ATL will be closing another for repairs, so it will be awhile before the benefit of the 5th runway can be seen.

I can tell ya this though. I've flown onto it a couple of times, and it adds a good 10-15 minutes to your taxi time. Grrrr...



OttoPylit

Right, but it will only be closed for 30 days or so (8L/26R). Plus, once that new South terminal gets built, that 10/28 rwy looks great...


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6290 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
Miami has scads more "culture" of all kinds than LA!

Errrr.... Oooookay.

Quoting AS739X (Reply 14):
We (AS) have difficult times fitting all the baggage into our 737's going to non-resort destinations, how will a CR7 work out?

I believe it is not even a CR7, but a regular old CRJ. We'll see, but nobody has really addressed the baggage issue and how it will affect these flights. I guess "fingers crossed" is the strategy.


User currently offlineN160LH From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6144 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Thread starter):
as well as corresponding connecting service to five destinations in the United States that are the most popular with our Hispanic customers.

Maybe more DL additions back to DFW..?

-160



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6084 times:

Quoting N160LH (Reply 19):
Quoting OttoPylit (Thread starter):
as well as corresponding connecting service to five destinations in the United States that are the most popular with our Hispanic customers.

Maybe more DL additions back to DFW..?

No, that comment refers to the 5 intra-Cali markets that will start along with the Mexican routes.


User currently offlineCWAFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6008 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 16):
No but the discussion was about Skywest operating at LAX.

I wasn't criticizing your response. I quoted your response to maintain continuity.

If you prefer I will admit that I should have also quoted the other comment. SLCUT2777 did not word his comment clearly on the situation, at least to me. That is why you ended up commenting that there was a SLC-LAX flight, which was not the real point that was trying to be made.

I was expanding on the info the 2 of you were presenting. I was trying to explain for others who may not know about the UAX contract limit on Skywest ops and clarify info that was not explained well. As stated that is a reason for ASA at LAX.

Okay. I think I got it now. No worries.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5872 times:

Your Joking me, a CRJ to Mexico resort cities is insane. I'd at least upgrade the routes to a M80.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5814 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 22):
Your Joking me, a CRJ to Mexico resort cities is insane. I'd at least upgrade the routes to a M80.

Would you also be able to find 92 additional pax per flight on a daily basis?


User currently offlineCRFLY From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2004, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5699 times:

Any ideas of which could be the destinations in Mexico and Central America?
I guess SJD, PVR, GDL, MTY, MEX and CUN could be some... I remembered DL flights from LAX to PVR and MEX...

In Central America, maybe GUA, SAL and SJO could be good routes, especially taking into account that UA and AA discontinued SJO, and only TA operates daily non-stop from SJO to LAX... Not sure how DL can compete with UA in GUA and SAL, as UA and TA are now code-sharing and now they have the majority of the O&D plus connecting traffic!



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25 DAL767400ER : SJD and PVR will come, as DL has been granted traffic rights for both routes. GDL is already being served with a daily 738, MTY is not of importance
26 Panamair : LAX-PVR yes but I don't believe that DL got LAX-SJD - didn't F9 get it instead?
27 DAL767400ER : You're right, DL hasn't gotten the authority, the last news about it I can find on the DMS page is that the DOT has deferred a decision, can't find a
28 United777 : Wonder how Alaska Airlines will do with there CA-Mexico flights. Will Alaska Airlines respond with more flights of it's own to Mexico? It's no doubt A
29 MAH4546 : They were not granted SJD, Frontier was. They were granted tentative PVR, but honestly, judging by the way the applications has been so heavily count
30 OzarkD9S : I didn't say anything about "Hispanic" culture, just culture in general. Maybe, to each their own, but to me LA is the epicenter of phoniness. Just a
31 Mariner : I don't think the DOT has deferred a decision. Contested routes always take a while, and Delta brought the lastest delay on itself. Delta objected -
32 Post contains links MGA : http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10323 Funny how we were speculating an almost daily LAX-GUA-LAX... came out as one weekly! talk
33 AS739X : MCOFlyer: Forget the resort flights with a CRJ, wait till they start touching the inland cities local Hispanic passenger. We average 1.9 bags per pass
34 MAH4546 : He was probably referring to the fact that Miami's Latin culture is far more diverse than LA's. LA's is compromised largely of Mexicans, Guatemalans,
35 OzarkD9S : SIGH. It was just an observation that I thought Miami was far more culural than LA. Nothing to do with ethnicities of any sort. Miami (to me anyway)
36 AS739X : Agreed on all MAH4546. But as stated above, there were facts posted with Malpensa's post, not personal observation. And not a blaint MIA biased. Thats
37 Post contains images Laxintl : Yes and just wait till some of the local carriers do their on and off promotions allowing passengers to carry a 3rd bag for free. Both COEx and Mesa/
38 77411 : They may need to because I have heard this is the first of several waves of expansion at LAX with a couple more to come.
39 FATFlyer : It's all personal preference and experience anyway. For example, my wife got treated poorly by 5 different people on a trip to Miami several years ag
40 Gilligan : That's a fact. There are more than a few days you have to weight restrict the flight due to the fact that you need the gas for an alternate field. Ma
41 AS739X : 77411: One of our problems is limit gate availablity at LAX vs. DL whom has their own terminal with FIS. Another problem facing AS is lack of A/C. We
42 AAL0616 : Welcome back to LAX Western Airlines, ahem, I mean Delta, or is it Delta/Western with RJs? AS739X hits the nail on the head: Delta has a terminal with
43 77411 : I know, I was just stating the obvious if they want to keep #1 to Mexico they will need to expand. But all airlines are in the same boat if they coul
44 Modesto2 : I landed on runway 10 yesterday and it took us forever to get to the gate! We held short of 9L and 9R and it was easily a 15-20 minute taxi with lots
45 N1120A : Not on your life One only needs to look at CO's troubles on their RJ flights out of LAX to see that DL is headed for disaster Not to mention F9 Perha
46 Post contains images AirWillie6475 : Oh please. I wonder if even half of them have the necessary documentation to take a trip down and be able to come back again. I could be wrong
47 Wedgetail737 : The OAK-LAX route surprised me. DAL has never entertained that routing in the past, not even WAL. So why now? Also, where is the gate space. From my o
48 Post contains images ThePRGuy : Yay! A DL expansion, this is good news Thanks PR
49 DAL767400ER : Didn't OAK only recently add some 6 gates or so? Not sure for which airline they are, but they should definitely help any congestions. Besides, if DL
50 MalpensaSFO : Oakland is gaining nonstop service to Hong Kong with Oasis Hong Kong Airlines.
51 OzarkD9S : I did, and found a mountain of silicone. But seriously...it was supposed to be a semi-sarcastic observation that garnered far more response than it m
52 Wedgetail737 : Yes. WN will be getting seven gates (not five, apparently) when the T2 expansion is complete...around summer 2007. Can't wait for this to happen.
53 Modesto2 : I've heard about Oasis serving HKG with 744's. Harmony just started nonstop 757 service to YVR and now a DL expansion. WN is getting those extra gates
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