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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3203 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

There has been a lot of talk about NZ commencing flights to BOM from AKL once the new generation of mid-sized twins join the fleet. QF have been flying from SYD for a little while now (three times a week with fuel stop on the way over) with mixed results.

What are people's thoughts on the potential success of a New Zealand connection (BOM-AKL return direct and non-stop both ways with NZ) given that: New Zealand could be marketed as an appealing destination to the rapidly growing young middle class of (particularly) Mumbai; trade between the two nations is growing particularly in the IT and tertiary sector; there are a lot of New Zealanders of Indian ethnic and cultural descent and; India (and Mumbai) is a strong and growing attraction for both business and leisure among Kiwis.



Obviously the 787 is a few years away and NZ could choose to restart SIN routes with a BOM terminus, but this leg has been much touted.

Now, to the panel...

Regards
MH


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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

Quoting MotorHussy (Thread starter):
What are people's thoughts on the potential success of a New Zealand connection (BOM-AKL return direct and non-stop both ways with NZ) given that: New Zealand could be marketed as an appealing destination to the rapidly growing young middle class of (particularly) Mumbai; trade between the two nations is growing particularly in the IT and tertiary sector; there are a lot of New Zealanders of Indian ethnic and cultural descent and; India (and Mumbai) is a strong and growing attraction for both business and leisure among Kiwis.

I doubt there will be enough O&D traffic (and this route will be essentially O&D) to justify aqny India-NZ service just yet (near-term). There are enough Indians who go to NZ to study, Bollywood is thinking of shooting there but, trade links would mean that an Indian carrier will unlikely ever make the first move. Look at this way, India-Australia is a route that QF is still finding it difficult to work. Plus, in terms of fares SQ and other SE Asia carrier give a decent deal. Maybe once the 787 comes, but I'm not too sure it would be a NZ priority.



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User currently onlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

Agree fully with Cricket, and to add the only way it would seem attractive would be to make it a tag as suggested from HKG or MNL or JKT as there is no non-stop services to these cities from BOM


karan


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3328 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 2):
Agree fully with Cricket, and to add the only way it would seem attractive would be to make it a tag as suggested from HKG or MNL or JKT as there is no non-stop services to these cities from BOM

I think AKL-MEL-BOM is the best option. There are also no non-stops from MEL.

you either have to zig zag back and forth with QF via SYD to anywhere other than BOM, and only SQ offers a same day connection northbound... MH and TG don't connect.

The India-melbourne market is booming at 40% growth per year.



From To Distance
AKL (37°00'29"S 174°47'30"E) BOM (19°05'19"N 72°52'05"E) 7645 mi

2 segment path: 7729 mi
AKL (37°00'29"S 174°47'30"E) MEL (37°40'24"S 144°50'36"E) 1643 mi
MEL (37°40'24"S 144°50'36"E) BOM (19°05'19"N 72°52'05"E) 6087 mi

via MEL is only 84 miles longer!

The SYD service... and i forgeot to add the DRW stop northbound!
3 segment path: 7276 mi
MEL (37°40'24"S 144°50'36"E) SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) 439 mi
SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) BOM (19°05'19"N 72°52'05"E) 6308 mi
BOM (19°05'19"N 72°52'05"E) BLR (12°57'00"N 77°40'06"E) 529 mi


via SIN
2 segment path: 6179 mi
MEL (37°40'24"S 144°50'36"E) SIN (01°21'01"N 103°59'40"E) 3743 mi
SIN (01°21'01"N 103°59'40"E) BOM (19°05'19"N 72°52'05"E) 2436 mi


2 segment path: 6170 mi
MEL (37°40'24"S 144°50'36"E) KUL (02°44'44"N 101°42'36"E) 3918 mi
KUL (02°44'44"N 101°42'36"E) BOM (19°05'19"N 72°52'05"E) 2251 mi

2 segment path: 6436 mi
MEL (37°40'24"S 144°50'36"E) BKK (13°54'45"N 100°36'24"E) 4564 mi
BKK (13°54'45"N 100°36'24"E) BOM (19°05'19"N 72°52'05"E) 1872 mi


User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

I don't see India can ever make much sense for NZ. Lots of hype around India so many middle class etc.... Even if the NZ-India market grows ten fold it's just SQ, MH, TG's natural market. No oncarriage beyond AKL because EK and SA will serve India-SthAm. Mel-India, don't bother remember BNE hub. All the logical routes are off in the other direction and are things nobody inside would think about. Where is difficult to get to from NZ/Aust. Thats when you can charge more. Because of very low wages in SthAm 2-3 flights per week to unlikely destinations should work well with 345. Of course pilots don't like these planes (why get these when you can buy the 787?). Because you need them. Remember where is Australia. SYD-AKL-PTY(copa) as well as AKL-CUN-LHR (744) and AKL-LIM-GRU are all necessary IMO.

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3328 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1919 times:

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 4):
Mel-India, don't bother remember BNE hub.

How can you compare MEL to BNE.??

MEL's population is 4 times that of BNE.
50% of Indian students study in MEL.
MH and TG ARE NOT natural carriers for India, as there are no same day connections northbound.
Cargo between MEL and India has grown rapidly.


User currently offlineGamps From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1901 times:

How many hours AKL-BOM may take?

If convinient connections or stayover packages are provided at AKL for US West Coast, may be they can pull US(SFO/LAX)-India passengers via NZ?

I recently met someone who flew SFO - SYD - BOM on Qantas (with short break in Australia) - bit unconventional but exciting way to go to India!

Agreed such passengers will constitute very small number and AKL-India route can't be dependent on SFO/LAX connections.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days ago) and read 1895 times:

I would opt for AKL-MEL-BOM 4 times a week with the B 787-900.

I do not see the need for ANZ to fly via SIN to BOM as that market segment is well served and fiercely competitive amongst AI-SQ-IC-9W.

Its better to serve BOM via a niche market/city which lacks a convenient nonstop link to the city.

ANZ cant fly to BOM via HKG as the bilateral agreement between India and HKG currently doesnt allow it.


User currently offlineBomboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

Maybe AKL-BOM-FRA, CDG or LHR might be another option. I also think that AKL-MEL-BOM make a lot of sense and can be monopolized

User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

MEL/India good for SQ..etc,QF/JQ and EK in the future. NZ misuse of expensive planes?

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5331 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

NZ can either go via SIN Australia or do it non stop. Forget SIN thats suicide with SQ flying multiple times daily to India.

They could go for either MEL or PER in OZ which I think both have potential.

I think we will see NZ in India quite soon via either MEL or PER probably with a 772 3x weekly.

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 9):
MEL/India good for SQ..etc,QF/JQ and EK in the future. NZ misuse of expensive planes?

Misuse? NZ havn't officially announced where the 787's will go. But they will certainly be used to open new markets!


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1775 times:
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Quoting RichardJF (Reply 4):
SYD-AKL-PTY(copa) as well as AKL-CUN-LHR (744) and AKL-LIM-GRU are all necessary IMO.

Why! NZ don't codeshare with Copa. NZ codeshare with Mexicana for that side of the world. Does Panama City even have a long-haul flight at the moment to Asia/Australasia? No. So I don't see NZ being the first to start the route. JL and BR are more likely to fly to Panama than NZ. AKL-GRU will happen, it will just be first via PPT and then later non stop. AKL-LIM won't work nor will AKL-CUN because they have next to nothing local traffic. NZ doesn't even fly to Vancouver yet!, and there are alot of people who fly this route per year!

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 10):
I think we will see NZ in India quite soon via either MEL or PER probably with a 772 3x weekly.

Well I hope you are right. It would be a great route!

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 4):
No oncarriage beyond AKL because EK and SA will serve India-SthAm. Mel-India

There would be limited on-carriage to Fiji. EK do not fly to South America, they do not have enough planes to, and they said that they want to focus on North America first. SA fly 340's BOM-JNB-GRU. These aircraft have no PTV's and 777's are bigger. That being said, if NZ started BOM-AKL and AKL-GRU/SCL/EZE, they would definately get onward traffic because of their new products, aircrafts et.c.

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 4):
Because of very low wages in SthAm 2-3 flights per week to unlikely destinations should work well with 345.

What do you mean? If people had low wages then they won't be able to fly often at all! And if they do fly, the percentage of people who would want to fly to NZ would be tiny compared to that who want to fly to Europe or America. NZ won't get 345's because they are focussing on an all boeing long haul fleet, that has already been stated ages ago. Lastly, such a long haul flight between 2 very different countries would not work with only 2 flights per week! Especially if you wanted to attract even the slightest of business passengers for yields. At the moment, the lowest frequency AKL-South America is 4 times a week and that is to the huge city of EZE!


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 3):
I think AKL-MEL-BOM is the best option. There are also no non-stops from MEL.

Exactly. Would be good competition against QF's 3 weekly service


User currently offlineAKLDELNonstop From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

As my username suggests..i love this news...i think NZ should seriously think of starting NZ-India-Europe...lots of potential..EU-India-Aus/NZ traffic in that. What do u guys think?

But I agree plain India-NZ maynot merit a nonstop yet wid India as a terminus


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