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KLM: Why No MD-11 Combi?  
User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4655 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

KL seems to love its fleet of 744 combis (74E), so why didn't they buy the MD-11Combi, too ? It seems especially odd as they have a large MD-11 pax fleet.


Exceptions confirm the rule.
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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

The mission of the KLM MD11 fleet has mostly been to haul a relatively large number of passengers - the current configuration seats more passengers than the B74E combi, and the retrofitted MD11 will seat even more - to mostly lower yielding, often holiday-like destinations, which I presume to be lighter in cargo demand than the destinations where KLM sends its 16-strong B74E fleet. The addition of a couple of MD11 combis would enter a new configuration into the fleet and further complicate operational planning. KLM's 10-strong MD11 fleet is not all that big, so introducing subtypes would not necessary be conducive for the stability of the operation.

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

Plus the MD-11C hasn't really been a popular model. AZ was the only carrier to fly MD-11Cs, and it has cost them a lot, since they couldn't get rid of them when they phased out the MD-11 fleet due to the rear side cargo door and related handling issues. LCAG was a candidate for those Combis, but they rejected them and only took the full PAX ones up for conversion.

AFAIK, Douglas only sold 6 MD-11Cs, out of 200 MD-11s.

User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

There is also the fact that the MD-11 already has a pretty large lower-deck cargo hold which has made a number of KL MD-11 flights more profitable then they were.
They also fly the MD-11 on routes with high pax numbers, the carribean for example, and the pax alone make some of these flights pure cash-cows.


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