Ultrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 596 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2860 times:
A couple of weeks ago I complained about being left at the gate by the last flight after arriving 5 minutes before flight time on a code share AC to UA. Lots of intelligent responses.
This weekend having not learned my lesson I was left at ORD when my AA flight from Boston was late. My flight last night arrived at ORD 20 minutes after the published departure tiem for my connecting flight so I have no problem with them not holding-especially in view of the infomration I received on the problems with holding from my last flight.
I am a little (not alot) annoyed that AA said my flight was delayed by weather and ATC ands therefore didn't pay for the hotel. I don't expect them to volutnarily pay for a weather delay. But there was apprently no bad weather at ORD and none in Boston. I'm guessing and its jut that that my incoming plane to Boston was just a tiny bit late and lost its spot to fly into ORD.
1. Is it fair for any airline to claim weather delay when it is delayed coming to a departure city and misses its turn and then ATC won't let them leave?
2. 2. Is ORD so crowded that on a Monday night where there is good weather at ORD and the originaning city that it just can't handle the traffic?
3. Is it unrealistic to expect to make a 1.2 hr connection in ORD after 9 pm to the extent that one can routinely expect to miss the connection?
4. Finally I tried unsucessfully to standy by on a American Eagle Regional Jet BOS-STL. I was #1 on the list and there were seats (7) but the flight was weight restrcited? Is 1046 miles westbound pushignt the limits for a an emb 135 (?)?
S5FA170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 534 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2847 times:
A weather delay does not need to be caused by weather at your departure or arrival airport. If their is weather enroute, the aircraft must be diverted around it. This deviation from the originally planned path of flight adds time to said flight. So if your aircraft flew ORD-BOS and had to fly around weather, it now arrived at Boston late due to the added length of the flight plan, and having to fly around it again on the way back to ORD delays the arrival the next flight.
Also, if their is bad weather at *any* point in the day at ORD, every single flight after that has a 99% probability of being delayed. That airport handles so much traffic that once it backs up, even slightly, it stays backed up for the rest of the day. It has to play catch-up, and that means delays. Especially if a particular aircraft is doing multiple turns in and out of ORD over the course of the day.
1.2 hours to make a connection in ORD is not unrealistic. Many, many people makes those connections. Unfortunately, you haven't had the best luck these past coupleof weeks! It happens.
If their was weather enroute from BOS-STL, the ERJ-135 would have to be weight restricted. Also, it depends on the headwinds. Every aircraft is affected by headwinds. That could have been a factor.
Sorry to hear about your dilemma this time! I'm sure things will work out sooner or later. Hope this helps a little bit!
USFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2814 times:
My personal philosophy is that I will only fly through ORD before 10AM, especially during the busy and thunderstorm-filled summer months. If I have to fly later I will choose an alternate connecting point.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 10415 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2746 times:
I always try to avoid flying through ORD on the last bank or two of departures. It's just a bit risky, although elite status helps if you miss a flight. Things get delayed, and what makes things worse is that flights aren't evenly delayed. All the RJ flights tend to have worse and worse delays in the evenings, while international flights remain on time. ORD is a risky place in the evening. If you are flying AA, STL or DFW are a lot safer and with UA, IAD and DEN are too.
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Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5552 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2606 times:
The Embrears have been having operational problems due to weight restrictions. My wife tried to fly stand-by on SDF-ORD in January. Even though there were 5 empty seats when she checked in, the CSA couldn't confirm her until it appeared that some confirmed passengers weren't going to show, because the flight was being weight restricted.
My understanding is that when the FAA increased the weights of passengers and baggage for purposes of weight and balance calculations, it caused the Embrears to fly more often with weight restrictions.
N353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2596 times:
If the plane you flew on encountered ATC or weather at any point during that day, you can't really blame the airline unless you know that they also had MX delays or something like that.
For your BOS-STL flight, 1000 mile flights are really pushing it. Also, if this happened recently (ie since thursday) there have been a ton more checked bags than there were just a week ago. The problem is that on an ERJ all that extra weight is in the hold of the aircraft which is way in the back, not underneath like on mainline jets. This kills COG and balance. One captain told me the precise aeronautical term for the situation is "ass heavy."
ADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2547 times:
Your flight may have encountered an "Airspace Flow Program" delay. The US Govt (FAA) said that this program would reduce delays due to enroute weather. I really don't think it has. I think it is worse this year.
Ultrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2525 times:
Thanks for the comments-I disagree slightly with nk353-Seems to me that when an airline scheules an airplane on such an agressive schedule that almost any delay during the day will cause the last flights of the day to miss conenctions its their "fault" even if they aren't legally responsble.
Also thanks for the comments on the RJ's. I had suspected that American eagle was pusing it flying over 1k miles westbound.