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An Unbelievable Security Lapse At LGW!  
User currently offlineBAW076 From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2006, 750 posts, RR: 26
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9202 times:

A friend of mine who works at LGW check-in, South Terminal, just informed me of a serious security lapse yesterday.

Here is her message:
Someone managed to get onboard a flight - sit down in the seat and everything without a ticket/passport/or boarding card... so they got through 3 sets of security checks and noone realised!!! I guess people at security were so worried about hand luggage etc, they didnt bother matching up the number of boarding cards with the number of pax!

It occured on a Monarch Airlines flight.

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Now this is just ridiculous, given the security levels here at the moment at our airports! It certainly doesnt do my confidence in airport security any favours!

What are your thoughts?!

Regards,
BAW076


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User currently offlineSP90 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9123 times:

Did this individual make himself invisible in the visual spectrum and just walk right onto the plane? What happened to matching boarding pass with photo id?

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9123 times:

sounds wrong. Without a passport that person wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the security checkpoints on most airports, and passport control checks boarding cards as well (usually).
Of course with electronic checkin you can now get a boarding card without showing your passport at the checkin desk and with e-tickets many airlines no longer have tickets to show (only numbers), so there being no ticket is not so strange.

Most likely this is a story that got seriously mangled and someone somehow made it onto the wrong aircraft.
Also a lapse of security, but a minor one and more annoying than threatening.



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User currently offlineBAW076 From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2006, 750 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9086 times:

It did sound a bit far fetched to me, but she assures me that is how it is. I will speak to her again later and try get a more detailed account of it.


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User currently offlineMANYQB From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9086 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4796199.stm

BBC report: An investigation has been launched after a 12-year-old boy managed to board a plane at Gatwick without tickets during the security alert.

Paul



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User currently offlineAI From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9053 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4796199.stm

Boy boards plane without tickets
An investigation has been launched after a 12-year-old boy managed to board a plane at Gatwick without tickets during the security alert.
The boy, reported to be from Penrith in Cumbria, but thought to have run away from a care home in Birkenhead, Merseyside, was heading to Lisbon.

He was discovered on Monday's 0600 BST Monarch flight before it took off.

Security officers and Sussex Police were informed after cabin crew found the boy on the plane.

A statement from Gatwick Airport said although the child had passed through a full security screening process, it was "confident that there was no threat to passengers, staff or the aircraft at any time".

"A full investigation is now under way," it said.


Thats from BBC website.


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8907 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 2):
sounds wrong. Without a passport that person wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the security checkpoints on most airports, and passport control checks boarding cards as well (usually).

I quite easily boarded a plane a few weeks ago without showing any ID. Actually has happened twice recenly. You use the kiosk to check in, security in the UK only check your boarding pass and the gate agents simply don't bother.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13148 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8856 times:

OK, so you spend billions on airline security, make people go through all kinds of security checks and rules and a 12 year old kid somehow sneaks onto a mainline passanger aircraft at a major international airport. No wonder we have to worry about terror on our aircraft. I hope some heads roll from the airport to the airline.

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8832 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 2):
sounds wrong. Without a passport that person wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the security checkpoints on most airports, and passport control checks boarding cards as well (usually).

Not in the UK. There are no Immigration checks when departing the UK, and anyway, it was a 12 year old. Everyone assumes he's "with" someone and lets him by.


User currently offlineMichiganMAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8779 times:

Quoting AI (Reply 5):
but thought to have run away from a care home in Birkenhead, Merseyside

surprised the kid wasn't trying to "hot-wire" the plane..........



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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4090 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8686 times:
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Quoting Jwenting (Reply 2):
Of course with electronic checkin you can now get a boarding card without showing your passport at the checkin desk and with e-tickets many airlines no longer have tickets to show (only numbers), so there being no ticket is not so strange.

Tell that to CO. Whoever does their security in Europe (and by that I mean AMS, BRU, CDG and LGW) hasn't awakened to the days of electronic ticket and electronic check-in.

I have been held and questioned much more than usual every time for traveling either on an e-ticket or with a self-printed boarding pass. When presenting either one of those documents, I have been asked to show:
-a receipt (I don't need one, so why would I carry one);
-a paper ticket (apparently CDG has never heard of e-tickets);
-a frequent flyer card (made a big deal of the fact I didn't have it with me in AMS, nevermind that the number was on the boarding pass that I printed myself);
-a print-out of my itinerary (it's been years since I bothered with one, I've got my complete itinerary in my PDA);
-proof that I reached the airport by train as I claimed (AMS and CDG).

I don't intend to be ranting against security measures or security officials per say, they're only doing their job after all, but when carriers, and especially CO, are encouraging their passengers to travel on etickets and print their own boarding passes before arriving at the airport, it would be nice if they notified their airport security staff so that the mere fact of acting in according with the carrier's wishes doesn't trigger additional scrutiny (and no, this isn't because I might be on some security list mandating a more thorough questioning, unless security officials have an excellent memory, because all that occured without any of them referring to any list of any kind).



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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8635 times:

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 10):
I have been held and questioned much more than usual every time for traveling either on an e-ticket or with a self-printed boarding pass. When presenting either one of those documents, I have been asked to show:
-a receipt (I don't need one, so why would I carry one);
-a paper ticket (apparently CDG has never heard of e-tickets);
-a frequent flyer card (made a big deal of the fact I didn't have it with me in AMS, nevermind that the number was on the boarding pass that I printed myself);
-a print-out of my itinerary (it's been years since I bothered with one, I've got my complete itinerary in my PDA);
-proof that I reached the airport by train as I claimed (AMS and CDG).

All this crap is standard practice when travelling from Europe to the US on a US carrier. You should always carry a receipt when travelling internationally as some immigration officials will want to see that you have a ticket back to where you came from. It is standard for these to be checked at European departure airports in the check-in line. As for the rest I'd have to put it down to security people on a power trip or something. There have been many threads about strange things these guys have asked. So what if you arrived by train?



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User currently offlineNed Kelly From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8341 times:

Quoting MichiganMAN (Reply 9):
surprised the kid wasn't trying to "hot-wire" the plane..........

 rotfl 

Wonder how he got from Birkenead to Gatwick, some 200 miles? Possibly the burnt out car outside the terminal might be a clue! He will probably just get another ASBO.

What drew my attention to this topic was that my daughter arrived at LGW by Monarch at 23:00 on the Sunday night from Faro, anyone know if this was the same plane?


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26636 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8069 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 8):
Not in the UK. There are no Immigration checks when departing the UK, and anyway, it was a 12 year old. Everyone assumes he's "with" someone and lets him by.

When departing the UK on a flight to another EU country (Germany in this case), I have had my passport and boarding pass checked.



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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1376 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7954 times:

Quoting Ned Kelly (Reply 12):
Wonder how he got from Birkenead to Gatwick, some 200 miles?

And then managed to board an aircraft with no one noticing. Sounds like a very resourceful young man, perhaps BAA should hire him as a security expert, ala Frank Abagnale...


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4343 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7846 times:

drama drama... what harm could he have done to the plane? Probably his handluggage (if any) was screened. Plus he was caught before even taking off. I think especially UK newspapers can overdramatize things like this too much.


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User currently offlineTheSunseeker From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7690 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 15):
drama drama... what harm could he have done to the plane? Probably his handluggage (if any) was screened. Plus he was caught before even taking off. I think especially UK newspapers can overdramatize things like this too much.

If that kid can board unnoticed, some crazy terrorist f*** might as well do the same!  banghead   alert 



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User currently offlineAlmeriabound From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7170 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Quoting MichiganMAN (Reply 9):
surprised the kid wasn't trying to "hot-wire" the plane..........



Wonder how he got from Birkenead to Gatwick, some 200 miles? Possibly the burnt out car outside the terminal might be a clue! He will probably just get another ASBO.

Thanks mate - that's the best laugh I've had for a long time!!!!! Surprised the wheels were still on the aircraft.............

Saludos from Almeria



Mike Barker in Almeria
User currently offlineAjd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7029 times:

You don't need to show a passport if you use the e-check-in machine, and no one else bothers. Only the check-in agent is actually bothered to check the photo and name matches. Before 9/11, UK citizens didn't even need a passport for internal flights (between England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) or a driving licence was enough (i think, not sure). Goes to show that maybe they do need to beef up on checking the actual ID of the people, not just the stuff they carry around with them.

On the other hand... bloody scousers are at it again, with planes this time!!  Big grin  Wink


User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7001 times:

I very much prefer a boy beeing able to board an aircraft without ticket after having gone through security - compared to someone beeing able to board the aircraft with ticket but avoiding the security check.

In fact I don't see a "security lapse" here.


User currently offlineBananaboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1581 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6931 times:

Hearing from Radio 5 that Thomas Cook have announced another lapse. Sketchy info from the beeb (and couldn't see anything on the website) but they said that the aircraft had arrived from the US. The aircraft was being cleaned, when a man was spotted near the cockpit, holding a briefcase and sweating profusely. He had broken a glass door to gain access to the terminal. Staff tried to detain but the guy ran off before the police arrived. A search was conducted but nothing was found.


Mark



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6876 times:

Quoting Ajd1992 (Reply 18):
Before 9/11, UK citizens didn't even need a passport for internal flights (between England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) or a driving licence was enough (i think, not sure).

We still don't - my driving licence is fine as ID on a domestic flight.



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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6802 times:

Quoting GBan (Reply 19):
In fact I don't see a "security lapse" here.

Well, the kid was screened properly by the BAA screeners. By this, I mean the use of the Archway Metal detectors and Handheld wands.

The problem occured at the BP check before security screening. I guess he just must have said something like "my dad's got my boarding pass" and vaguely pointed to some bloke in the crowd.

My question is this - how/why did Monarch let him board their aircraft? At BA where I work, I always compare name on passport to name on boarding pass and even compare the picture to the passenger. Don't Monarch do passport checks prior to boarding?


User currently offlineBAtriple7 From United Kingdom, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6635 times:

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 22):
My question is this - how/why did Monarch let him board their aircraft? At BA where I work, I always compare name on passport to name on boarding pass

A few weeks ago I got on a BA shorthaul flight where the boarding was done quickly - and I was surprised that my passport was in fact not checked. They just put my boarding pass through the machine.

However, most of the time they do check the passport too. But you'd think that in the post-9/11 security climate, they'd do it all the time.


User currently offlineBh4007 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6515 times:

Why is it a threat to security?

The bottom line is; no one can board a plane unless they walk through a metal detector and their baggage must go through the X-ray screener. Just because the airport didn't see his ID or the lack of a ticket didn't mean he was dangerous.

Unless of course the security staff are more bothered about when their shift ends than the security of the passengers but that's another story......


25 Cwldude : It's totally unacceptable! I heard this on the news this morning and I genuinely fail to believe it! The BAA have a lot of ass kicking to do after thi
26 Jasond : Actually as far fetched as this sounds I have seen how easily it could happen. Many a time I have been in Australian domestic lounges and witnessed ga
27 Cwldude : Yes, but, this is the point. At the best of times in the UK there's no way anyone who isn't flying is allowed past the security area (which is before
28 Jasond : If I read this forum correctly then I think that's exactly what happened!! I think the component that failed here is probably the human one. It's a l
29 ABC9 : Likewise between Ireland and the UK - photo ID will suffice
30 Airbus3801 : For those who say if a 12 year old got by, anyone could note, no one thinks a little boy is a risk and warrants precautions. Now if a 30 yr. old man t
31 Scbriml : It does vary. Sometimes no, sometimes yes. In view of the current security situation, I'd be surprised if there was no immigration checks on leaving
32 Access-Air : Well I think the problem is that we need to do away with the ONLINE check-in and the check-in Kiosks......That is a contributing factor in the whole a
33 TheSorcerer : What about parents of a Unaccompanied minor (UM)? I thought they were aloud to go right up to the boarding gate with them. Dominic
34 Cwldude : Don't know if that's true or not but it's the first I've heard of it. That's totally defeating the point, if we're at a severe state of emergency, ev
35 B747-437B : No. It does not vary. There are no formal immigration checks when departing the UK, period. The departure check stamp has even been officially withdr
36 XXXX10 : IMHO The security system worked in the end because he was discovered. There were two lapses, one that he was not turned back at the central search poi
37 Jmc757 : Don't think so. I know its definately not allowed at BHX, and would imagine this is the same for all other UK airports. Usually the parents opt to wa
38 B747-437B : UM guardians have to hand the kids over to designated airline staff at the checkin counters who then escort the child through security and to the air
39 Threepoint : Yawn. Get over yourselves guys...the aviation world has enough drama without the conjecture, speculation and 'what if' games you're playing. It's an
40 Fbgdavidson : Obviously not are serious but on a related note I'd like to know why five months ago at CPT someone was allowed to board a BA aircraft with an identic
41 LTBEWR : One problem that may have let this kid get past security is that due to handicapped, emergency access needs (fire egress for example), strucural limit
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