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Air Jamaica 757s, How Long Will They Have Them?  
User currently offlineJAM747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 550 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8617 times:

I read recently that Air Jamaica have leased some 757s from North American which they seem to like. How long is this lease for? Is there any chances of them aquiring 757s for their own fleet longterm? I would love to see 757s in JM colors. Does anyone know of any recent JM fleet update plans? What are they using for long haul aircrafts now? I think they returned one or two A340s.

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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9772 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8569 times:

Hmm I didn't see this coming. What is the reason that JM is leasing the 757? On which routes are these 757s used? JM uses the A321 to CUR on weekends, can we expect the 757 to operate the CUR route as well on weekends? Would be great! And yes, the 757would look very nice in the JM livery.... Big grin

A388


User currently offlineZsx81 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8534 times:

About 10 days ago i was in MBJ for a 4 day vacation. I saw North American 757s come in and go pretty much everyday, I believe I saw a 767 as well, I assumed it was charter service by North American, but Air Jamaica lease makes more sense. They were in full North American livery about 2-3 flights in and out each day. Also saw Virgin 747-4s land which was a very pleasent surprise. Apparently they just started a twice a week service to MBJ. Air Jamaica A340 visited once in the 4 days I was there as well, it came in around 11pm on tuesday left in the evening the next day. I stayed at a place called Relax Inn. The third floor offers perfect unobstructed view of the airport incase anyone is interested..

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9772 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8512 times:

Quoting Zsx81 (Reply 2):
I stayed at a place called Relax Inn. The third floor offers perfect unobstructed view of the airport incase anyone is interested..

Very interesting tip Zsx81. Now I have a place to go to for aircraft photography if I ever go to MBJ on vacation. How big is MBJ and are there plans for expansion or a new terminal?

Also please keep us updated on the JM 757 leases and whether these 757s will be used on the JM CUR route.

Thanks

A388


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8502 times:

Cool next time I'm in MBJ, i'm staying there. Thank you Zsx81. Which side?

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8502 times:

N750NA is being using regularly on the JFK-GND route as AJM194. I hear it most days on the HF box.

R


User currently offlineAussieindc From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days ago) and read 8445 times:

also on X amount of days per week, it is serving as a second JM flight between JFK and MBJ.

Surprisingly though, JM cancelled (in advance) one of the flights my clients were booked on and transferred them back onto the JM metal the day they were flying.


User currently offlineJAM747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 550 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days ago) and read 8423 times:

Quoting Zsx81 (Reply 2):
Also saw Virgin 747-4s land which was a very pleasent surprise. Apparently they just started a twice a week service to MBJ. Air Jamaica A340 visited once in the 4 days I was there as well, it came in around 11pm on tuesday left in the evening the next day. I stayed at a place called Relax Inn. The third floor offers perfect unobstructed view of the airport incase anyone is interested..

Glad to hear you had a great time in Mbay. I am also happy to hear that there are still 747s that visit there. BA used to have 747s there too in the 80s, not sure about now. Also JM leased 747s a few times. MBJ used to have a very good observation deck which we used to call the 'waving gallery' as we could wave to our relatives when boarding and dis-embarking . When the Concorde used to go to MBJ the observation deck would be packed. It was closed I think to be used for more air con units during the airports expansion  
There are quite a few hotels, beaches and bars very close to MBJ which give good views of aircraft movements.

Quoting A388 (Reply 3):
How big is MBJ and are there plans for expansion or a new terminal?

Not sure which airport I could compare it to in terms of size, it is not very big however it has one runway and it is going through a very nice expansion. It now has air bridges so even if there was still a observation deck you would be able to see your relatives going on or off, but it would still be nice place for a spotter.
Everyone goes through the same terminal for customs and immigration.
I really miss that observation deck when I visit.

[Edited 2006-08-16 04:45:02]

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9772 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8382 times:

Thanks for the tips and explanation JAM747. Do you have an insight into the JM aircraft scheduling? I would like to know if we can expect the North American 757 here in CUR operating for JM.

A388 Big grin


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8363 times:

Yes JM uses two North American 757s, one for the MBJ route, and one for the 5 weekly JFK/GND route. This is supposed to be for the duration of the summer period/peak season.

Rumour: My bro who works with JM in NY, says that the airline has been very pleased with the performance of the B752s and is looking to acquire a few 757s. I have heard this before. He also said they are looking to get some B737s, this I have not heard before. The long and short is that they are looking to replace their narrowbody fleet in the first instance with Boeing metal.

I think this has to do with their new new CEO who used to be at America West and Continental, and apparently is quite the Boeing fan.

[Edited 2006-08-16 05:40:55]


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User currently offlineJAM747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 550 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8356 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
Thanks for the tips and explanation JAM747. Do you have an insight into the JM aircraft scheduling?

You are welcome. Un fortunately I do not have insight into the scheduling but I am sure some of our friends on here will help us out like Captaink just did. Thanks Captaink.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9772 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8324 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 9):
Yes JM uses two North American 757s, one for the MBJ route, and one for the 5 weekly JFK/GND route. This is supposed to be for the duration of the summer period/peak season.

Rumour: My bro who works with JM in NY, says that the airline has been very pleased with the performance of the B752s and is looking to acquire a few 757s. I have heard this before. He also said they are looking to get some B737s, this I have not heard before. The long and short is that they are looking to replace their narrowbody fleet in the first instance with Boeing metal.

I think this has to do with their new new CEO who used to be at America West and Continental, and apparently is quite the Boein fan.

Indeed many thanks for the info Captaink. I am hoping JM will send the (leased) 757 to CUR. Although I'm sad to see the Airbus's leaving JM  Sad But than again, Boeing aircraft will also look nice in JM's livery. Actually all aircraft will look nice in the colorful JM livery Big grin

Keep us updated on the 757 operations at JM Big grin

A388


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8298 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
would like to know if we can expect the North American 757 here in CUR operating for JM.

I don't think that you will see the North American 757-200's in CUR. I think they are only flying Air Jamaica routes from JFK?



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User currently offlineAirFranceJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8291 times:

Air Jamaica currently uses 2 Boeing 757's from North American. One does the JM10/11 between JFK-MBJ-JFK and the other does JM94/95 between JFK-GND-JFK (5 times a week). The other 2 days, it does an additional JFK-MBJ-JFK flight as JM1010/1011. All flights in full North American colors. The service is supposed to go until around the second week of September, however may be extended depending on the loads. North American has been flying for Air Jamaica on an off for the past few years, so wouldn't be surprised to see them around after September.

User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8273 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 12):
I don't think that you will see the North American 757-200's in CUR. I think they are only flying Air Jamaica routes from JFK?

Correct, the MBJ and GND routes to be specific. They are used because of the usual high loads on these flights this time of year. GND has had a history of very high loads (due to/but not only because of the annual carinval) and an incredibly high number of shortshipped bags due to bulkouts. So far this season has been pretty good according the reports from the Spice Isle and the 752 is holding the fort well so to speak.

I do agree with Air France JFK that there is a high possibility that they will continue to use the 752s even after the peak season. Lets see what happens. I will ask some questions and advise you guys accordingly.



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User currently offlineZsx81 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8265 times:

MBJ is not huge, but its not tiny either! Its amazing to see a 747 take off from that runway though. Most people would hate this hotel becuase you have to pay between $8-$5 to get to town but I was very happy for the most part. Anyway here are some pictures from my room's balcony.









Interesting point about JM possibly acquiring 757s, for one they are pretty hot in the market right now. Secondly as far as I know JM has an all airbus fleet. As Jamaica become a more popular destination I can certainly see a need for bigger planes though. Jamaica has alot of potential to become more popular then it is.

They are doing some construction inside the terminal, I am not sure it they are remodling or expanding..


User currently offlineJayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8265 times:

I recall reading something in early 2004 about the then-owner of JM, Gordon Butch Stewart, wanting to lease three second hand A330s to expand routes into Vancouver, San Francisco and Amsterdam. Does anybody know anything about this?


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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8244 times:

Quoting Jayce (Reply 16):
I recall reading something in early 2004 about the then-owner of JM, Gordon Butch Stewart, wanting to lease three second hand A330s to expand routes into Vancouver, San Francisco and Amsterdam. Does anybody know anything about this?

I worked at GND in those days, but the newsletter said they were looking at A319s for SFO and YVR, didnt hear about A330's or AMS though. That seems to be on hold. And since JM went through some cutbacks last year, new destinations have not been rumoured.



There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1898 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8160 times:

Captaink..The CEO is Mike Conway; formerly of America West and National (LAS). Mike had lots of experience w/ the 757 at these two airlines and has always preferred this a/c over anything else.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9772 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8043 times:

Wow, very nice photos Zsx81! What type of camera and lense did you use for those photos. The terminal looks quite big, very nice! Also which hotel did you stay at and was you room a suite on the top floor? The photos you took there, were those taken on a weekend? I see a lot of charter airlines on your photos. I would love to go there for just a few days to photograph the aircraft from a similar room you had. Is Jamaica expensive? Please let me know, sounds fantastic!

A388


User currently offlineGoAibusGo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 275 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8003 times:

A388,

I remember seeing the North American 757s in CUR quite often when I worked at BonairExel (2004). They were flying charter flights from the USA during the winter period that year, like every Thursday. Maybe this winter season they will be back. Remember the winter season is high season for the USA/Canada.

[Edited 2006-08-16 13:50:45]

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9772 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7989 times:

Quoting GoAibusGo (Reply 20):
A388,

I remember seeing the North American 757s in CUR quite often when I worked at BonairExel (2004). They were flying charter flights from the USA during the winter period that year, like every Thursday. Maybe this winter season they will be back. Remember The winter season is high season for the USA/Canada.

Hi GoAibusGo, thanks for the tip. I remember seeing pictures of the North American 757 here in CUR as well as Apple Vacations (Pace Airlines) 757. We get more charterflights during november-january. Hopefully I will have more luck this year  Smile

A388


User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7974 times:

Interesting photos. I flew into MBJ years ago when they didn't even have jetways! The terminal was on the ground level, and we had to walk out to our Tower 747 and then climb stairs.

-Will



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User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7968 times:

Quoting JAM747 (Thread starter):

Where are they operating the aircraft?
JFK?
Thanks
PR


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5152 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7935 times:

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 23):
Where are they operating the aircraft?
JFK?

JFK-Montego Bay
JFK-St. Georges, Grenada

(North American also operates track charter service to Port of Spain from JFK and scheduled service to Georgetown, Guyana from JFK and Africa from JFK and BWI.) They use the 757 on service to everywhere but Africa, except that they sub in the 767 sometimes when their operational needs require it.


25 FoxBravo : I was there relatively recently, in January 2003, and even then there were no jetways! Looks like a big improvement--I am impressed. On the other han
26 JAM747 : Very good pictures Zxs81. I have never seen pictures like that of MBJ before
27 BA380 : BA don't fly to MBJ at all any more. They do operate 777s to Kingston a few times a week, but nothing to MoBay at all, sadly.
28 Post contains links and images A388 : Same here. I searched the database and couldn't find similar photos. The terminal also seems to be new as pictures in the database show a much smalle
29 JAM747 : The airport is going through a major expansion. The terminal has been greatly upgraded. From Zsx81 pictures with the Virgin 747, the side facing the
30 MCOflyer : Cool. Are there any 757's around that Mr. Conway can get? MCOflyer
31 A388 : Thanks for the information JAM747, I really appreciate it. What type of lense would you need to get nice (closer) photos of the activities (aircraft)
32 Post contains links and images Mkeflyer717 : I was in MBJ in July and happened to get a pic of one of those North American 757s... I think there's 17 jetways so pretty decent Thats for sure... he
33 A388 : Hi Gaston, Thanks for all the information and your nice photos. I am getting a better idea of how the airport beach is but I would like to know more a
34 JAM747 : Welcome to my respected user list mkeflyer717 . Thanks for taking such great pictures, and creating such a detailed and informative trip report. Most
35 JAM747 : A388 I will have to get this information for you. It might take a few days. I will ask my friend who is living in Montego Bay so I have up to date in
36 Captaink : WOW MBJ does look good. Thanks Mkeflyer717 indeed for the photos. About the jetways, many caribbean visitors say they like the stepping off into the w
37 Post contains links and images A388 : Thanks JAM747, I will await your update. Meanwhile I will see when I can plan this trip. I will be by next as I have to go to the Netherlands first.
38 Captaink : Awesome, terminal looks good A388. I think I can feel proud of CUR. My mother was born there. I claim part of roots there LOL.
39 Post contains images A388 : Hey Captaink, I didn't know you are part Antillean, that's nice to hear indeed  Have you ever visited your other native country (CUR)? Do you still
40 Post contains images Captaink : Yep I am part Antillean but never had the chance to visit. I was born in Grenada, and even though it is relatively close to CUR, it was a bit expensi
41 Post contains images A388 : Nice stories Captaink. I am meeting very helpful people in this thread. Maybe we can go to MBJ and have a spotters meeting their at the airport. So JA
42 Captaink : I am game. Let's make it happen.
43 Post contains images A388 : Well, we have a start. As I have said I may be able to go somewhere in the third or fourth quarter of next year. In any way MBJ is on my to-do list as
44 JAM747 : Very good idea. We should keep in touch and see how things flow. I might be going through a job change soon so I am not sure how my schedule for next
45 Post contains images A388 : I totally agree with you on this. We should have more trends like this here As for the JM 757s, I don't know more than what has been said here so far
46 DeltaRules : Wow...I can't believe how they've expanded that terminal. I stayed at the Relax Resort at MBJ over Christmas 2001 & the place was really nice, especia
47 DeltaRules : SJU does, SXM will when the new terminal opens (if it hasn't yet). DeltaRules
48 Captaink : Ok, just spoke to someone at GND. 1. The 757s were indeed fantastic. GND just past the absolute peak of incoming passengers, carnival weekend. Baggage
49 JAM747 : These points shows the two sides of the coin that JM is dealing with. The 757s seem to work for them with its uplift capabilities but they don't have
50 Jm017 : I think the model JM operated was A300 B4. I think they got rid of them because they were old. They were replaced by the A310's which did not share c
51 Post contains images A388 : I think JM should focus on their financial situation before even thinking about replacing their entire fleet with another aircraft type. Is JM really
52 Captaink : At the end of June, JM's losses were at US85 million. I can't put my head on a block for it, but I doubt that is a year to date figure, but I think i
53 JAM747 : One of the rumors was that they considered merging with BWIA to from a Caribbean airline of some sorts. If this is not true maybe they should conside
54 A388 : Hey JAM747 how's life. Talking about BW and JM merging, I don't see this happening no matter how much I would like such a merger happen. The main pro
55 Post contains links A388 : It appears we have another interested reader in this topic. I received this link: http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20060809/news/news1.html I al
56 JAM747 : Quote from Article "Any surprises since taking up the job as CEO of Air Jamaica? " "Yes, there have been some pleasant and some not so pleasant, but n
57 Post contains images A388 : Hey JAM747, you're welcome. I started another thread comparing KIN with MBJ now that I'm in a Jamaican mood. I really hope I can plan a trip to MBJ s
58 Wjcandee : He talks about delays from overly-aggressive scheduling. I have noticed that many of the North American Airlines flights are hours and hours late. Man
59 Captaink : Many of the NAA flights that were operating late, seem to have been flying in from some other US destination. Not sure if NAA operates their own flig
60 JAM747 : Does JM still allow boxes as checked on item? This used be one reason why there were such odd stuff checked on. I know alot of people who only travel
61 Psimpson : Speaking to a chief engineer at JM yesterday, it looks highly likely that JM will be operating 2 B757-200s in the not too distant future in their own
62 JAM747 : Thanks for the info Psimpson. Those 757s would look very good in JM colors. Do you happen to know how many of the JM flight crew are Jamaican nationa
63 Post contains images A388 : I second that, the 757 will look very nice in JM colors. But than again, as I've said before, all aircraft (will) look stunning in the JM colors... A
64 Jm017 : The last time i saw a write up on this that source had indicated that 90% of the flight crew was Jamaican. However, this was maybe three years ago. S
65 Post contains images Captaink : Just spoke to my brother. We are looking at early December for those Boeings fellas. Guess what route one is going on for sure? Yep Grenada. It would
66 Wjcandee : I wonder how this would work...most US carriers who can offer you a wet (ACMI) lease of a 757 (i.e. North American, Ryan, ATA, Omni), aren't looking
67 Captaink : I was trying to get that information, where is JM getting the 757s from. NO luck so far. Rather interesting though, cause as you say, it is true that
68 Psimpson : I am not sure but Icelandair may be the source, i hope to be in touch with a JM contact during the next week to find out more information.
69 Post contains links Jm017 : I tried to be optimistic about JM. All optimism was lost when I read this. I guess what concerned me was the statement: "Hurricane Ivan devastated Gre
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