I don't think ATL or MCO would be good choices. ATL's already served by DL and Atlanta doesn't have a sufficiently large Venezuelan community to support a non-US carrier. Further, VH is not a member of any major alliance thereby making the connectivity factor a bit more difficult. MCO is a leisure market and Venezuelans (in Venezuela) today simply don't have the expendable income of the Venezuelans who flocked on shopping and leisure trips to the US in the late 70s. Most of those Venezuelans are now firmly entrenched in the South Florida neighborhoods of "Weston-zuela" and "Doral-zuela".
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33358 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2351 times:
Aeropostal talks alot, and takes no action. From day one it was pretty obvious Atlanta and Orlando were never going to happen. Atlanta is just a dumb idea from the start. Orlando does have the market for Venezuela service, but stopping in Aruba would probably hurt the flight more than benefit it.
757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2179 times:
Ahh what a pity... then it'd be another come and go service from Venezuela to MDE (beginning with the Rutaca one in 2004).
I still think MDE - CCS has potential, even if it may need to be flown with a smaller Airplane at least in the beginning. If Aeropostal goes belly up I think Conviasa could take that service with ATR or Aires with Dash-8 (as they do with BOG - MAR).
I'm sad to hear about that, I had heard Aeropostal wasn't doing so bad here... I even had three friends use the route.
[Edited 2006-08-16 19:35:36]
I gladly accept donations to pay for flight hours! This thing draws man...
Chiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2130 times:
Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 1): VH hasn't bothered to get back on Amadeus or Sabre. No travel agencies can issue VH tickets
This is not completely correct. Yes, Amadeus is turned off due to unpaid invoices. But Sabre is the "host" system of VH and has always been working (it MUST). So agencies can book and issue with Galileo and Sabre. Amadeus is supposed to work again next week - so they say.
Quoting Charvett (Reply 4): I insist. Why not to have just TWO or THREE strong carriers
instead of SIX or SEVEN weak companies; some of them with
only one airplane? Venezuela can afford it.
I agree - but don't tell Chavez. I am sure he would love to put all airlines together under Conviasa roof.
Quoting Andahuailas (Reply 7): According to a filing with the DOT, Aeropostal Owes Falcon Air $6 Million in Unpaid Wet-Lease Charges. It doesn't look good for Aeropostal. My bet is bankrupcy in a short time.
Don't worry, those 6 Million are only a small part.....
BTW: Aeropostal restarted the service to San Antonio/Tachira Venezuela...
SOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2498 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2090 times:
Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 1): Their new flights to MDE and PDP have performed horribly.
MDE indeed performed pretty bad during the first couple of months. But, again, VH is guilty for choosing such a slow month as April for launching a totally new international service, and for making almost no advertising.
However, during the last months, VH's CCS-MDE route has been picking up slowly, at least for their standards (40%-ish). They've been flying to BOG for years now, and their loads still leave a lot to be desired.
Quoting 757MDE (Reply 8): I'm sad to hear about that, I had heard Aeropostal wasn't doing so bad here... I even had three friends use the route.
Same here. I had a couple relatives who flew MDE-CCS with Aeropostal a couple of months ago. Nevertheless, their loads have indeed been pretty low.
Aeropostal is apparently offering very good deals rom MDE to MIA via CCS. The fares though have not been cheap enough to steal passengers away from AV.
Charvett From Venezuela, joined May 2001, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2045 times:
JA-JA-JA...!!! I agree with Chiguire 100%! Don't take me for bad. I'll
back-up the creation (or the reopening) of Venezuela's flag carrier.
BUTTTTT, as long as they focus upon their goals (as I posted on a
different thread in this forum). Now the company is established, must
be imperative NOT to fall upon the same errors the old VIASA did.
Chiguire, I know you are very literate and well informed about Venezuelan
aviation. You know what I'm talking about. My father worked with VIASA
until his retirement in 1989. Yes, he flew "El Coloso". The biggest error
an airline can make is to take the market for pure prestige. In
order for an airline like this to survive they need to have; as "rule
of thumb" the following targets:
1. A well researched study based on traffic and route market- Let's
not make the common mistake to open a route for pure prestige. Let's
analize the market first (both passengers & cargo). We have very
very good people and entities that can do the job.
2. Fleet commonality and simplicity- Based on the above statement.
Just FOUR equipment types based on serving the different markets.
Remember that each extra type translates in extra tooling, staffing,
maintenance, training, etc. increasing operational costs.
3. Safety and dependability- Self explained. Maintenance, training and
excercises "By the Book" ... better off if we surpass them. Above the
standard procedures and records for all the staff. On-time performance
and better utilization of resources upon the route network. Well,
NO EXCUSES... now we are CAT I again!
4. Supreme Ground and In-Flight service- As my father said: "May I
Help You", "Welcome Aboard", "Thank you"... and smiles are for free!
Both in the air and on the ground. A sincere tone upon the service
we provide; in conjunction with a professional attitude (including
delays or cancellations) will move forward our image as an airline
company at the airport. High standards for in-flight service it's
a must. Great announcements, ammenities, a sincere and courteous
approach to the passengers in order to fill their expectatives is a
fine trend to profitabibility. We need to forget about "processing"
passengers, packing them "sardine-like" and rush them on an
aluminum tube from A to B. Where's the warmth of Latin America?
Aren't we the land of beauties? Let's use this resource to give our
customers a pleasant experience from the moment they presents to
the ticket counter until they pick-up luggage at their destination.
5. Clear policies and procedures- Establish clear policies and procedures
to both passengers and employees upon how the company runs.
This was a capital sin during the VIASA years. I remember stories told
by my father's friends. One day my father was piloting a DC-8 fully
booked... 35 revenue passengers and 122 non-rev's or employees! I
heard (I was 14 years) paying passengers were bumped because it
was Christmas and everybody wanted to go shopping to New York (!!!!).
Then, another story about lost baggage. The agent told the customer:
"If you didn't wanted your bag lost... then why did you checked it?"
This is the way people that put the dinner on my table were treated.
Don't misunderstand me... service in VIASA were excellent and up to
scale (these were isolated situations) but; the mentality at the
company were that they were invincible, that will last forever and that
if we get into problems the "All-mighty" government "will take care of
us with that endless lifeline of petrodollars". They lost the way... the
view... the goals and the spirit of the company.
6. An avid and efficient management- Management must be simple and
efficient. No bureaucracy on any level; because this is one ingredient
to kill a company. Open lines must be mantained at all times with
employees. Management needs to be experienced in airline terms.
Modern, oriented and with a excellent background upon the industry.
Managements that had success in running an airline were very well
literated to this industry.
7. Highly motivated employees- Self explained again. Motivate the staff.
Give them good incentives and benefits! And, because they will love
their job, will perform above standads. A sincere and open comunication
with management (see above).
8. Government regulation, not interference- Self explained again. The
government only mission must be as a regulatory agency. With the
task of watching over the accomplishment of regulatory laws and
aeronautical procedures. They can look after them, but let the
management run the company.
9. Assume technical advice from a well established company- I think
the way the company associated with LUFTHANSA TECHNIK will
help them to forward success. This must not be seen as foreign
intervention... must be seen as orientation and advise upon new
trends taking place at the aviation industry.
My friends, this is my fair view of the topic. Let's forget about
establishing FIVE or SIX small carriers (some of them with just a single airplane) and
"cut-throat" competency toward the others. If we create and mantain
ONE strong flag carrier, plus ONE or TWO domestic carriers that
supplement it; we will be in the right track for a safe, an efficient and
profitable air transport industry in Venezuela.