SafetyDude From United States, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 23 Posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3466 times:
There has been a rumor/gossip floating around that NW's NYC-based FAs will be 767 and 777 certified by the end of September, and Delta's NYC-based FAs will soon be A330 certified. (This was a supposed stronger indication of a NW+DL merger.)
IMHO, it sounds a bit outlandish, except that the rumor seems to be coming from the FAs who have to go through the training.
TWFirst From Vatican City State (Holy See), joined Apr 2000, 6034 posts, RR: 57 Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3417 times:
Bobnwa From United States, joined Dec 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3294 times:
Quoting SafetyDude (Thread starter): There has been a rumor/gossip floating around that NW's NYC-based FAs will be 767 and 777 certified by the end of September, and Delta's NYC-based FAs will soon be A330 certified. (This was a supposed stronger indication of a NW+DL merger.)
IMHO, it sounds a bit outlandish, except that the rumor seems to be coming from the FAs who have to go through the training.
Can anyone shed some light on this?
That is absolutely a ridiculous rumor. Can you give one reliable source? I bet not.
If you're going to be a moron, atleast read what you are going to quote. The OP agreed it was outlandish, and didn't have a source.
I see it as an all around mess. I don't see any mergers happening, unless Delta absorbed NWA's intl routes, and NWA became only a domestic carrier.
Ohh, Bob is just grumpy. Don't take him personally.
At this point, there is no credence to an NW/DL merger. It's not a very well thought idea at all. Rumours happen all the time. The airlines would be wise to cross-train F/A's, in case a situation like NW's occurs, they can contract out a limited capacity to other airlines who may have some surplus man hours they can get out of their F/A's. I have kinda wondered how the AF/KLM merger would change thing on our side of the pond, but so far, not much.
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MCOflyer From United States, joined Jun 2006, 8113 posts, RR: 16 Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2864 times:
Quoting Jbmitt (Reply 5): I see it as an all around mess. I don't see any mergers happening, unless Delta absorbed NWA's intl routes, and NWA became only a domestic carrier.
I agree with you 100%. It would more than a mess. I personly think it would drive DL down. They already announced more a/c comming in, so why cross train flight attendants between two airlines? It just doesnt make any sense as Jbmitt said. Jbmitt, welcome to my RU list.
Jetjack74 From United States, joined Jul 2003, 6587 posts, RR: 55 Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2717 times:
Quoting SafetyDude (Thread starter): There has been a rumor/gossip floating around that NW's NYC-based FAs will be 767 and 777 certified by the end of September, and Delta's NYC-based FAs will soon be A330 certified. (This was a supposed stronger indication of a NW+DL merger.)
Totally untrue. Our NYC based FA's are going through "A330" training right now. There is no truth to a rumour that we're training DL FA's on NWA aircraft, and vice versa. The NYC FA's are needing to be 330 trained because we take over the EWR-AMS in November.
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Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3355 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2441 times:
Isn't the NW/KL agreement up for renewal?
There was a lot of talk a while back that the agreement was causing problems for DL dealing with KL and NW dealing with AF. If the NW/KL agreement ends, that means that NW staff could be used on Skyteam flights. You could see NW, DL, KL and AF staff on the same plane.
I would think that NW crews are already familar with the 777 and 767 (see KLM widebody fleet below)
Let's look at fleets (widebody).
DL
777s and 767s
NW
747s and A330s (DC10s...almost gone)
AF
747s, A340s, A330s, 777s
KL
747s, A330s, 777s, 767s, MD11s
Merger stuff is BS in my opinion. If anything, this is all about Skyteam relations and the end of the KL/NW agreement.
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GeorgiaAME From United States, joined Aug 2005, 735 posts, RR: 7 Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2372 times:
One of the women who cleans the house is the sister-in-law of a US Airways pilot. I have it on absolutely impeccable, unimpeachable sources that a Delta-US merger is emminent, and should be anounced sometime around Labor Day. Remember, you heard it here first. No truth whatsoever to a Delta-NW merger.
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Jetjack74 From United States, joined Jul 2003, 6587 posts, RR: 55 Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2289 times:
Quoting Centrair (Reply 12): Isn't the NW/KL agreement up for renewal?
What's up for review is the anti-trust concerns with the SkyTeam members with the AF/DL and NW/KL combinations.
Quoting Centrair (Reply 12): There was a lot of talk a while back that the agreement was causing problems for DL dealing with KL and NW dealing with AF. If the NW/KL agreement ends, that means that NW staff could be used on Skyteam flights. You could see NW, DL, KL and AF staff on the same plane.
No it doesn't. We are not permitted to operate as crew for any other carriers due to differences in safety and cabin operating procedures. There was some discussion when NW and KL struck the alliance in 1990, of the feasibility of NW and KLM crews operating aboard the same aircraft, but international regulations and national security concerns would not allow that. This would also be the case today. Also, DL and NW are still competitiors and neither companies cabin crews are trained on one anothers aircraft.
Quoting Centrair (Reply 12): I would think that NW crews are already familar with the 777 and 767 (see KLM widebody fleet below)
We have absolutely no familiarity or association with KLM or DL fleet types with the exception of the 747 and the 757. And even those are laid-out differently.
Quoting Centrair (Reply 12): If anything, this is all about Skyteam relations and the end of the KL/NW agreement.
More about setting ourselves up with stronger ties with DL and AF
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WNCrew From United States, joined Jun 2006, 605 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2204 times:
AS and AA crews did for a time work within each others' cabins but only on the 727 as an AS/AA interchange from IAH to SEA. I know it doesn't relate 100% to the topic but I do find it interesting that crews form two carriers have worked each others aircraft. I know the AA'ers hated the AS 727 as they were configured differently.
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TPAnx From United States, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 1111 times:
Doubt that there'll be a merger. But on a recent Delta LAS-ATL flight, there was a (if I'm guessing correctly) KAL f/a on board...wore a black outfit. Limited English..in fact, my wife's eyebrows rose when she went down the aisle, offering "peanuts". Sounded as though one of the male crew members was offering himself..
TPAnx
GeorgiaAME From United States, joined Aug 2005, 735 posts, RR: 7 Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 1084 times:
Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 16): That's you one get-out-of-jail-free card
Here I am, trying very hard to incite a typical A.net rumor mongering war, and you come along and spoil my fun by telling everyone that I'm being sarcastic!
So let me take it one step further. My cleaning lady's brother in law the pilot also is reporting that DL will be ditching the 757s for a new crop of 787-3s. That announcement will come around Thanksgiving.
Remember guys, you heard the rumor here first! Iron clad truth. Honest!
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Positiverate From United States, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 722 times:
Ah...another day another DL/NW merger thread...
Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 14): We are not permitted to operate as crew for any other carriers due to differences in safety and cabin operating procedures.
Back in the 90's, when DL codeshared with Swissair and Singapore on certain routes, there were DL f/a's on certain Swissair and Singapore flights, and vice versa.
1) Any merger will be a mess
2) DL employess will be extremely demoralized having to work side by side with NWA employees
3) DL's culture will be destroyed (Bad culture from NWA will drive out what is left of DL's good culture)
4) Any merger between DL/NW will be so that management makes a quick buck..PERIOD...everyone else loses.
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